Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Try DMG instead? > > I started with TMG two days ago for my son. First day 125 mg, second > day 125mg twice and I think he does not take it too well. Scrimms and > stims more, didn't sleep well, more to himself. He is currently does > not getting B-12, just in B-50 complex, Folic Acid about 1000mg. He is > around 36 lb. I will not give it any more now, but what to do to ease > the reactions, and what to do to make it easy for him to take it? > Thanks to all > Natalia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 What this sounds like to me is yeast issues. Are you doing any yeast protocal as TMG and B-12 cause yeast issues to occur. Try giving biotin to treat the yeast first before you give up. I have just started the TMG with my too sons and had to treat yeast big time because they were all over the place with hyperactivity and didn't sleep at night. They are responding to it great otherwise. I hate to see you give up on it so give the biotin a try first. I also use L-carnitine to help the TMG and B12 absorb into the body. [ ] Re: TMG reaction Try DMG instead? > > I started with TMG two days ago for my son. First day 125 mg, second > day 125mg twice and I think he does not take it too well. Scrimms and > stims more, didn't sleep well, more to himself. He is currently does > not getting B-12, just in B-50 complex, Folic Acid about 1000mg. He is > around 36 lb. I will not give it any more now, but what to do to ease > the reactions, and what to do to make it easy for him to take it? > Thanks to all > Natalia > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Thank you for responses, I have not tryed DMG with him, and I do want to use one of them hearing about good effect. We are working on the yeast issues, including biotin, may be not high enough. He gets 2 mg now. How much is working for you? Also using GSE, OoO, Garlic, Pau d Arco. He gets 1000 mg of L-Acetyl Carnitine, is it enough? It does remine me the same reaction as described about her sons. My son was so hyper and active in the evening and at night, like he hasn't been since we started treat yeast. But better today, when I didn't give him any TMG. Thanks again, your help so appriciated Natalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 We are up to 15 mg.s a day on the biotin. Now they are sleeping again. Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will look in the morning to see how much L-carnitine I am using. Don't want to wake hubby and kids up. Hope that helps! [ ] Re: TMG reaction Thank you for responses, I have not tryed DMG with him, and I do want to use one of them hearing about good effect. We are working on the yeast issues, including biotin, may be not high enough. He gets 2 mg now. How much is working for you? Also using GSE, OoO, Garlic, Pau d Arco. He gets 1000 mg of L-Acetyl Carnitine, is it enough? It does remine me the same reaction as described about her sons. My son was so hyper and active in the evening and at night, like he hasn't been since we started treat yeast. But better today, when I didn't give him any TMG. Thanks again, your help so appriciated Natalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 Some of our kids are over methylators and actually do worse with Methyl B12 and tmg/dmg. I recommend not giving any more methyl supps until you find out for sure if you son actually needs this or you could be exacerbating the problem. Tina > > I started with TMG two days ago for my son. First day 125 mg, second > day 125mg twice and I think he does not take it too well. Scrimms and > stims more, didn't sleep well, more to himself. He is currently does > not getting B-12, just in B-50 complex, Folic Acid about 1000mg. He is > around 36 lb. I will not give it any more now, but what to do to ease > the reactions, and what to do to make it easy for him to take it? > Thanks to all > Natalia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 > > I started with TMG two days ago for my son. First day 125 mg, second > day 125mg twice and I think he does not take it too well. Scrimms and > stims more, didn't sleep well, more to himself. He is currently does > not getting B-12, just in B-50 complex, Folic Acid about 1000mg. My son did not properly absorb TMG without folic acid and carnitine. 1000mg is a MAJOR high dose, do you mean 1000mcg? That would not have been enough for my son. mB12 also required folic and carnitine. At the highest, with both mB12 and TMG in place, my son needed 40mg [40,000mcg] folic 3x per day. TMG also tended to increase yeast, so watch for that. Some kids do better with DMG, altho my son broke out in a rash on his face with the first dose of DMG. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Tina, Thanks for suggestion. How can I find out if he needs any of DMG/TMG. Any tests can be done? He did good with MB-12 shots, no bad reaction. Now I'm unsure if he really need MB-12 and or TMG/DMG Thanks again Natalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Thank you to all for responses! I'm sorry for mistake. Yes, he is getting 1mg which is 1000 mcg. Don't know if it's enough, how can you figure that? We are temporary stoped MB-12 shots because of high Cobalt. Considering sub lingual B-12. And we do work on yeast, which is also problem here. Now thinking about two days when he was getting TMG, I think it was increased yeast that gave us bad reaction. What are the good DMG brands that I can try? Natalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 I was giving 600 mcg TMG when my son was about 40 lbs. Food Science of Vermont sells foil wrapped DMG (Aangamik)in 125 mcg chewable tablets. Kirkman's apparently also sells something similar. This way, you can start slowly and work up to 3 or 4 chewables per day. Kirkman's also sells a concentrated mB12 powder you can try in place of injections (tastes like Koolaid; not free of fillers by any means!). Food Science is a very reputable company (well used by ASD parents). http://www.fslabs.com/aangamikdmg1.html Pam > > Thank you to all for responses! > I'm sorry for mistake. Yes, he is getting 1mg which is 1000 mcg. Don't know if it's enough, how can you figure that? We are temporary stoped MB-12 shots because of high Cobalt. Considering sub lingual B- 12. And we do work on yeast, which is also problem here. Now thinking about two days when he was getting TMG, I think it was increased yeast that gave us bad reaction. > What are the good DMG brands that I can try? > Natalia > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Usually those who respond well to B12, do not respond well to methyl donors (SAMe, and TMG/DMG). B12 and folic acid are said to be methyl trappers. I have read from many sources that over-methylators respond well to these two supplements while the under-methylators respond well to SAMe, TMG/DMG. When someone is in this general category, then some respond well to TMG and some to DMG. The terms over- and under-methylation seem to be defined slightly differently by different sources. It seems that not everyone is either one or the other. However, I would not insist on TMG/DMG. If he does not do well with them, I wouldn't continue more than one week. TMG is really a good supplement for people with high homocysteine level. It can be tested... Kaylee > > Thank you to all for responses! > I'm sorry for mistake. Yes, he is getting 1mg which is 1000 mcg. Don't know if it's enough, how can you figure that? We are temporary stoped MB-12 shots because of high Cobalt. Considering sub lingual B- 12. And we do work on yeast, which is also problem here. Now thinking about two days when he was getting TMG, I think it was increased yeast that gave us bad reaction. > What are the good DMG brands that I can try? > Natalia > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 > I'm sorry for mistake. Yes, he is getting 1mg which is 1000 mcg. Don't know if it's enough, how can you figure that? Try increasing it, see if you notice anything. >>We are temporary stoped MB-12 shots because of high Cobalt. Considering sub lingual B-12. And we do work on yeast, which is also problem here. Now thinking about two days when he was getting TMG, I think it was increased yeast that gave us bad reaction. Yes, TMG can cause a yeast issue. > What are the good DMG brands that I can try? My son did not tolerate DMG. I use Jarrow brand TMG. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 > Usually those who respond well to B12, do not respond well to methyl > donors (SAMe, and TMG/DMG). And then there is my son, who does not read the scientific reports LOL He needs both mB12 and TMG, and folic acid and carnitine for proper absorption of both mB12 and TMG. But this combination, along with vitamin C and lysine for viruses [which oddly enough, also need carnitine for proper absorption], has resulted in major improvements for my son in all areas. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2008 Report Share Posted January 6, 2008 > > Usually those who respond well to B12, do not respond well to methyl > > donors (SAMe, and TMG/DMG). > > > And then there is my son, who does not read the scientific reports LOL Amazing how those chemicals do whatever it is they are going to do without regard for whether people know about it or not! You'd think they were following natural laws or something instead of listening to what the IMPORTANT DOCTORS are TELLING them to do! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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