Urinary toxic metals

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We've been chelating with DMPS suppositories with our son 11 rounds now

(he didn't tolerate DMSA at all, so had to go this route). We've done

2 UTM's and the pulls have been in the high end of the " within

reference range " , however, our son is doing very well, tolerating the

doseage, showing marked improvement in all areas. I know based on the

UTM, our DAN is going to try pushing us to do CA-EDTA-IV's, which I am

not wanting to do. Our son showed an autoimmune reaction, and my

husband is so focused on that, he just wants to get the metals out

NOW. I know the UTM's really don't provide much information other than

what is coming out at that moment (or time - we've done a 6 and 8 hour

collection). If we're seeing changes in him, to me that's enough, but

my husband and DAN want to see it in the UTM. I guess I'm just looking

for advice or experiences here. Thanks.

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Posted by: " Darlene McBride " darlenemc326@... darlenemc326

Date: Tue May 13, 2008 10:32 am ((PDT))

>We've been chelating with DMPS suppositories with our son 11 rounds now

(he didn't tolerate DMSA at all, so had to go this route).

Was he unable to take doses orally? It is well absorbed, the half life is 8

hours (so dosing is not particularly problematic) and the dose is more easily

controllable - not to speak of it being easier to give.

>We've done 2 UTM's and the pulls have been in the high end of the " within

reference range " ,

>however, our son is doing very well, tolerating the

doseage, showing marked improvement in all areas. I know based on the

UTM, our DAN is going to try pushing us to do CA-EDTA-IV's, which I am

not wanting to do.

You are right there. EDTA is an obsolete lead chelator that came into

alternative med in the 1950s because it was found to have an effect on hear

disease (it chelates light metals). It does not chelate mercury, and as for

lead it has side effects that are a bit unpleasant.

If he has lead, and as you say he can't tolerate DMSA, then he may need to use

it, but to evaluate this it would be important to see a hair test.

>Our son showed an autoimmune reaction,

What kind? How do you know?

>and my husband is so focused on that, he just wants to get the metals out NOW.

Can you tell him that sometimes being in too much of a rush can lead to making

even more mistakes. That the two of you need to take time and make sure you

know what you are doing. That this is edgy medicine and people have been

injured by taking the wrong track?

There is some discussion on the Frequent-Dose-Chelation list right now about the

effects of IV chelation. Perhaps you want to download some of that and have him

read it.

>I know the UTM's really don't provide much information other than

what is coming out at that moment (or time - we've done a 6 and 8 hour

collection).

You can read in the archives on this. If I remember correctly, Andy doesn't

even bother looking at a urine test unless it's a 24 hour collection (that I

remember) and there is a relatively small range in the creatinine values (I

could have that part a bit garbled, please check the archives. The point holds

though, the tests are rarely relevant.)

>If we're seeing changes in him, to me that's enough, but

my husband and DAN want to see it in the UTM. I guess I'm just looking

for advice or experiences here.

The way to follow this is by keeping a journal with symptom history, and doing a

hair test every 6 months or a year. You can let him know that the EPA, WHO, and

International AEC all accept hair testing as a valid way to look for toxicities.

You can bring the hair test to this list to have someone help you with

interpretation.

>Thanks.

Good luck,

Dave.