Guest guest Posted November 6, 1999 Report Share Posted November 6, 1999 In a message dated 11/06/1999 1:23:42 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Maeday17@... writes: << sorry, but what does flouride have to do with hypothyriodism? Thanks, nne >> nne, check this out: <A HREF= " http://www.my4tune.u-net.com/appto_treatment.html " >Management of Thyroid deficiency</A> http://www.my4tune.u-net.com/appto_treatment.html <<(a) Toxins A number of chemical agents tend to interfere with the manufacture of thyroid hormone. Notable among these are: Poly chlorinated Biphenyls (Paints and wood preservatives) Resorcinol (Millet) Phthylate Esters (Plastics) Thiouracil (Cabbages, Turnips, Cassava.) Anthracin Bromo form Cyanides (Barbiturates) Fluorides Thiocyanates (Smoking) Caffeine Aspirin Lithium Amiodarones>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 It's poison. The fluoride used in drinking water is not sodium fluoride..the type found in nature. It is actually a waste product of fertilizer production and of aluminum production that normally has to be carted of as hazardous waste if it is not sold to the water authority. Flouride is not used in most European countries because of it's known health hazards. It interferes with calcium getting into bones, and contributes to osteoporosis, it has been linked with cancers and with hypothyroidism. Probably many more health conditions as well. In many studies it has been shown to actually increase cavities (which is what happen in my kid) rather than prevent them, by once again..blocking calcium from building strong teeth, so they get weak porous enamel prone to decay. There is a lot of info on the web about this. So it is wise to avoid it at all costs. It is harmful to all humans, not just ASD kids. http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/toxic.html > > There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate it from > drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why is > fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a file that > details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we haven¹t > addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. > > Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Is the fluoride pills and drops we are to give our kids also this bad? Should we be using fluoride free toothpaste? Tammy [ ] Re: Flouride? It's poison. The fluoride used in drinking water is not sodium fluoride..the type found in nature. It is actually a waste product of fertilizer production and of aluminum production that normally has to be carted of as hazardous waste if it is not sold to the water authority. Flouride is not used in most European countries because of it's known health hazards. It interferes with calcium getting into bones, and contributes to osteoporosis, it has been linked with cancers and with hypothyroidism. Probably many more health conditions as well. In many studies it has been shown to actually increase cavities (which is what happen in my kid) rather than prevent them, by once again..blocking calcium from building strong teeth, so they get weak porous enamel prone to decay. There is a lot of info on the web about this. So it is wise to avoid it at all costs. It is harmful to all humans, not just ASD kids. http://www.holistic <http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/toxic.html> med.com/fluoride/toxic.html > > There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate it from > drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why is > fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a file that > details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we haven¹t > addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. > > Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I would not use it. My dd had fluoride drops when little and all her adult teeth came in discolored and brittle. No thanks! Flouride is truly one of the biggest scams out there. Give yoru children calcium, D, Vit K, CLO and a healthy diet to protect their teeth. We only use fluoride free toothpaste. I started using toothpowder about two months ago, because when I was researching how to remineralize teeth, (Weston Price) a lady emailed me and told me that the tooth enamel would have a harder time regrowing if it were coated in glycerin (which is what is in all toothpaste) So I switched to the toothpowder...and my teeth are not ultra sensitive like they had been for years. Many people report that when using toothsoap or tooth powder versus pastes. They become less sensitive because all sensitivity is...is thin enamel. Also, when I stopped using fluoridated toothpaste..my gums stopped bleeding when I brushed. And too make it worse, if you read the back of a tube of toothpaste..it has a warning not to ingest it or call poison control. Because the fluoride ingredient is toxic and used to be used to kill rats. A child can die if they eat one tube of toothpaste...not essentially..it should not be in their mouth at all. How many kids honestly rinse well and don't swallow any of it? Food for thought, once I learned those tidbits..we threw it all out and bought natural stuff. > > > > There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate it from > > drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why is > > fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a > file that > > details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we haven¹t > > addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 At our house we avoid all forms of fluoride. Have switched to Healthy Mouth toothpaste - herbs and such for ingredients. I've never really seen it distinguished between types in the reading I've done, just no to all forms of fluoride. I have also seen that it is naturally occurring in certain teas and other foods. We don't avoid it in naturally occurring things, just when it is added by man. Tamara Kuhn wrote: > > Is the fluoride pills and drops we are to give our kids also this bad? > Should we be using fluoride free toothpaste? > > Tammy > > [ ] Re: Flouride? > > It's poison. The fluoride used in drinking water is not sodium > fluoride..the type found in nature. It is actually a waste product of > fertilizer production and of aluminum production that normally has to > be carted of as hazardous waste if it is not sold to the water > authority. Flouride is not used in most European countries because of > it's known health hazards. It interferes with calcium getting into > bones, and contributes to osteoporosis, it has been linked with > cancers and with hypothyroidism. Probably many more health conditions > as well. In many studies it has been shown to actually increase > cavities (which is what happen in my kid) rather than prevent them, by > once again..blocking calcium from building strong teeth, so they get > weak porous enamel prone to decay. > There is a lot of info on the web about this. So it is wise to avoid > it at all costs. It is harmful to all humans, not just ASD kids. > > http://www.holistic <http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/toxic.html > <http://www.holisticmed.com/fluoride/toxic.html>> > med.com/fluoride/toxic.html > > > > > > There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate it from > > drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why is > > fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a > file that > > details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we haven¹t > > addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I respond with a resounding, YES! Toothpaste. You can, of course, keep buying it, but you can also make your own. There are many formulae on the web. This is my dentist's (this is a powder rather than a paste): 1 TBSP baking soda (alkaline, neutralizes the acid produced by the bacteria) 1/4 tsp salt (the abrasive) Dip the tooth brush in hydrogen peroxide, put some of the mixture on the brush, and brush away! I also add some neem oil, you can use myrrh. It takes a bit of getting used to, as they are bitter, but these are anti-bacterial and have been traditionally used for cleaning the mouth. Dave. Posted by: " Tamara Kuhn " tkuhn1@... bailykuhn Date: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:26 pm ((PDT)) Is the fluoride pills and drops we are to give our kids also this bad? Should we be using fluoride free toothpaste? Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Hi . Well, I'll tell you what I know. Others will chime in with more. First, the compound used to flurodate the water is called " flouride " . This is usually a silico-fluoride (rarely, sodium fluoride). The latter dissociates into sodium and fluorine in water; the former partially dissociates. If I remember correctly, by the time it gets to you, about 10% is still left intact. As it turns out, the silico-fluorides have basically nothing in the way of testing associated with them. We don't know what kind of long term effects they have. Now, with regard to the free fluorine. Apparently fluorine is about the most reactive element there is. I recombines promiscuously and makes a plethora of other compounds, many of which are known to be toxic. (This is also the case with chlorine, though clorine, while also a highly reactive chemical, is not as reactive as fluorine.) One of the effects of silico-fluoride in the water, and so it may be an effect the of compound itself or some recombined fluorine compound, is apparently to increase the uptake of lead in the gut. Also, fluorine itself causes flurosis. That is the mottling of the teeth - and also bones, the health of the teeth is reflective of the health of the skeleton. The result is weak and brittle teeth and bones. Finally, in large quantities, it is acutely toxic. What are the large quantities? Well, read your toothpaste tube - anything over a pea size, consumed by a child, is sufficient for them to warn you to take the child to the emergency room. That pea size, has the same amount of fluoride as is added to an 8 oz glass of water. (Or so I take it from a recently posted video, done by a dentist who is an activist against the addition of fluoride to our water and toothpaste.) The historical fact that sodium fluoride, the original fluorodating agent, was commonly sold as a rat poison, and the fact that the silico-fluorides are a toxic waste product of the fertilizer industry that would cost millions to properly dispose of, has given rise to all kinds of perhaps paranoid, perhaps not, speculation about government and industry intentions. That's the best I can do. It's enough that I won't get near the stuff. Dave. Posted by: " Wiseman " cwiseman@... faronpurple Date: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:45 am ((PDT)) There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate it from drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why is fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a file that details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we haven¹t addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 > My naturopath has had me taking sea water manufactured by a company called Sakai. There is also another company called Quinton that produces the same - it is stated that it is the same composition as sea water and is very helpful for the system in general - but I am wondering if the 'flouride' compound in it is the same as the harmful kind? When I asked the doc I was told it is not the harmful kind but what is naturally there in sea water's composition. > Hi . > > Well, I'll tell you what I know. Others will chime in with more. > > First, the compound used to flurodate the water is called " flouride " . This is usually a silico-fluoride (rarely, sodium fluoride). The latter dissociates into sodium and fluorine in water; the former partially dissociates. If I remember correctly, by the time it gets to you, about 10% is still left intact. As it turns out, the silico-fluorides have basically nothing in the way of testing associated with them. We don't know what kind of long term effects they have. > > Now, with regard to the free fluorine. Apparently fluorine is about the most reactive element there is. I recombines promiscuously and makes a plethora of other compounds, many of which are known to be toxic. (This is also the case with chlorine, though clorine, while also a highly reactive chemical, is not as reactive as fluorine.) > > One of the effects of silico-fluoride in the water, and so it may be an effect the of compound itself or some recombined fluorine compound, is apparently to increase the uptake of lead in the gut. > > Also, fluorine itself causes flurosis. That is the mottling of the teeth - and also bones, the health of the teeth is reflective of the health of the skeleton. The result is weak and brittle teeth and bones. > > Finally, in large quantities, it is acutely toxic. What are the large quantities? Well, read your toothpaste tube - anything over a pea size, consumed by a child, is sufficient for them to warn you to take the child to the emergency room. That pea size, has the same amount of fluoride as is added to an 8 oz glass of water. (Or so I take it from a recently posted video, done by a dentist who is an activist against the addition of fluoride to our water and toothpaste.) > > The historical fact that sodium fluoride, the original fluorodating agent, was commonly sold as a rat poison, and the fact that the silico-fluorides are a toxic waste product of the fertilizer industry that would cost millions to properly dispose of, has given rise to all kinds of perhaps paranoid, perhaps not, speculation about government and industry intentions. > > That's the best I can do. It's enough that I won't get near the stuff. > > Dave. > > Posted by: " Wiseman " cwiseman@... faronpurple > Date: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:45 am ((PDT)) > > There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate it from > drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why is > fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a file that > details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we haven¹t > addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. > > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 > 1 TBSP baking soda (alkaline, neutralizes the acid produced by the bacteria) > 1/4 tsp salt (the abrasive) > Dip the tooth brush in hydrogen peroxide, put some of the mixture on the brush, and brush away! I did this when I was younger, to whiten my teeth. It did also have the effect of wearing off the enamel on my front two teeth, which had to be filled. So if you use this combination, yes it is effective, but use a soft brush and don't brush vigorously. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 : Fluoride itself is a neurotoxin. The mixture used is not a licensed medical substance but a waste product contaminated with lead, arsenic, beryllium and even traces of uranium. Fluoride obviously increases the uptake of lead from other sources e.g old plumbing, paints etc. Phyllis Mullenix(1995) study on sodium fluoride showed that rats exposed to fluoride prenatally showed symptoms of hyperactivity. http://www.fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm *50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation* *50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation** Updated April 12, 2004* *19) *Animal experiments show that fluoride accumulates in the brain and exposure alters mental behavior in a manner consistent with a neurotoxic agent (Mullenix 1995 <http://www.fluoridealert.org/mullenix-interview.htm>). Rats dosed prenatally demonstrated hyperactive behavior. Those dosed postnatally demonstrated hypoactivity (i.e. under activity or " couch potato " syndrome). More recent animal experiments have reported that fluoride can damage the brain <http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/news/12.html> (Wang 1997; Guan 1998; Varner 1998; Zhao 1998; Zhang 1999; Lu 2000; Shao 2000; Sun 2000; Bhatnagar 2002; Chen 2002, 2003; Long 2002; Shivarajashankara 2002a, b; Shashi 2003 and Zhai 2003) and impact learning and behavior ( 1998; Zhang 1999, 2001; Sun 2000; Ekambaram 2001; Bhatnagar 2002). On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Wiseman <cwiseman@...> wrote: > There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate it from > drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why is > fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a file that > details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we haven¹t > addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. > > Thanks, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 http://www.rr.com/flash/index.cfm?rev=10318 Lubbock, TX was recently found to have the worst teeth in the nation; some say due to excess fluoride in the water supply. Bottom line is... proper dental hygeine and diet is the best way to prevent cavities. You will find many, many adults with a mouth full of cavities who grew up in fluoridated water supplied communities. My kids have had minimal fluoride and have 1 cavity between the 3 of them (the cavity was due to a natural flaw in the tooth; likely unpreventable). I hope officials revisit this issue soon. I would be very interested in seeing how many fluoride-free communities made it on that 'bad teeth' list. Pam > > > There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate it from > > drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why is > > fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a file that > > details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we haven¹t > > addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Please take five minutes to watch this video of the poisoning of 's Horses by fluoridated drinking water. It is very powerful for any owners of horses who are exposed to fluoridated 'town water'. FYI - www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9RXfOuylWo#GU5U2spHI_4 On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:25 PM, noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> wrote: > http://www.rr.com/flash/index.cfm?rev=10318 > > Lubbock, TX was recently found to have the worst teeth in the nation; > some say due to excess fluoride in the water supply. Bottom line > is... proper dental hygeine and diet is the best way to prevent > cavities. > > You will find many, many adults with a mouth full of cavities who > grew up in fluoridated water supplied communities. My kids have had > minimal fluoride and have 1 cavity between the 3 of them (the cavity > was due to a natural flaw in the tooth; likely unpreventable). > > I hope officials revisit this issue soon. I would be very interested > in seeing how many fluoride-free communities made it on that 'bad > teeth' list. > > Pam > > > > > > > There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate > it from > > > drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why > is > > > fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a > file that > > > details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we > haven¹t > > > addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 . No, there shouldn't be, but why are you drinking sea water? That seems pointless to me. The issue we have been discussing is how to get fresh water, given that our tap water is all spiked. What I do is buy my water in 5 gal bottles from the only independent water supplier in this area (the rest have been bought by Nestle). Dave. Posted by: " toowittybird " toowittybird@... toowittybird Date: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:22 am ((PDT)) My naturopath has had me taking sea water manufactured by a company called Sakai. There is also another company called Quinton that produces the same - it is stated that it is the same composition as sea water and is very helpful for the system in general - but I am wondering if the 'flouride' compound in it is the same as the harmful kind? When I asked the doc I was told it is not the harmful kind but what is naturally there in sea water's composition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 > Hey Dave, > > , here. That wasn¹t me drinking sea water. I was just asking questions > about fluoride. And many people responded very informatively....so thank you, > all! > > This is a very helpful group. > > > > > > > . > > No, there shouldn't be, but why are you drinking sea water? That seems > pointless to me. > > The issue we have been discussing is how to get fresh water, given that our > tap water is all spiked. What I do is buy my water in 5 gal bottles from the > only independent water supplier in this area (the rest have been bought by > Nestle). > > Dave. > > Posted by: " toowittybird " toowittybird@... > <mailto:toowittybird%40> toowittybird > Date: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:22 am ((PDT)) > > My naturopath has had me taking sea water manufactured by a company > called Sakai. There is also another company called Quinton that > produces the same - it is stated that it is the same composition as > sea water and is very helpful for the system in general - but I am > wondering if the 'flouride' compound in it is the same as the harmful > kind? When I asked the doc I was told it is not the harmful kind but > what is naturally there in sea water's composition. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 It's bad for all of us. Fluoridation came about as a way to sell this toxic byproduct of the nuclear weapon industry rather than pay to have it disposed of. It's also a toxic byproduct of the pesticide industry, not that the pesticides themselves aren't toxic. It's forced medication of the public without our consent. S S Flouride? Posted by: " Wiseman " cwiseman@... faronpurple Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:45 am (PDT) There have been lots of posts about fluoride: how to eliminate it from drinking water--even shower water. I feel silly asking...but, why is fluoride so harmful for ASD kids? Or, all kids? Or point me to a file that details it, if you don¹t have time to tell me. It¹s an area we haven¹t addressed, though we have tackled lots of other issues. Thanks, _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Ah - sorry, . Well, someone said something about sea water! At least I think - I mean, I don't think I'm quite that gone any more. Dave. Posted by: " Wiseman " cwiseman@... faronpurple Date: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:34 pm ((PDT)) > > Hey Dave, > > > > , here. That wasn¹t me drinking sea water. I was just asking questions > > about fluoride. And many people responded very informatively....so thank you, > > all! > > > > This is a very helpful group. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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