Re: Overwhelmed with the info here, need guidance.

[Guest guest]

Liora.

The symptoms certainly sound like they could be mercury issues. This hair

tes,t unfortunately, is not adequate. Would you be able to do one via

DirectLabs.Com? They would probably send you a kit in China, if you could pay

them in US currency. The test you want is the " Hair Elements " test, _not_ the

" Toxic Hair Elements " test. (If you have trouble, email me directly. To reach

me, you will have to go through a small hurdle. My email address on this post

will return an email to you, giving you another email to respond to. That is

my way of avoiding spam.)

Barring that, or even if you do it and find that she is mercury toxic, I would

suggest:

(0) Just must confirm that she has no amalgam fillings, right?

(1) Doing an elimination diet to find _all_ food allergies.

(You feed a short list of generally safe foods for a week, and then put foods

back in one by one and look for reactions. That short list is in the files

section of the frequent-dose-chelation list, perhaps also the autism treatment

list)

(2) Doing a sulfur exclusion diet to find out if she needs or needs to stay

away from high sulfur foods.

(Search using Onibasu.Com and look for " sulfur exclusion diet " )

(3) Putting the proper (standard) supplements in place as described here.

(Basically magnesium, zinc, vitamins C, E, lots of Bs, CoQ10, selenium as

selenomethionine, Cod liver oil or flax oil, borage oil, milk thistle)

(4) Doing a trial few rounds of chelation, using ALA on the proper protocol and

looking to see if she has any reactions to the ALA. If so, then you have

diagnosed mercury toxicity.

(The way to use ALA is dosing every 3 hours, even at night, starting at 1/8 mg

per lb of bodyweight. This is _very important_.)

I would also strongly suggest your buying andy cutler's books from amazon.com

or directly from him at noamalgam.com. I'm pretty sure he would mail to china,

if you could transmit US currency here.

Dave

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Posted by: " lioracc " lioracc@... lioracc

Date: Wed May 28, 2008 10:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi, I live in China with a mildly impaired girl, age 4.

She's a " not Autistic, BUT... " kind of kid. We are certain had we

kept vaxxing her that she would have been autistic...there are just

too many similarities between her sxs and ASD.

There are no doctors here who know anything about metals, nor even how

to test for them. We got a hair analysis via mail (Dr. Janet Starr

Hull) a year ago which showed

" She is high in the following metals:

Aluminum (toxic levels, sourced to the manufacturing of foods)

Antimony (high levels, mocks arsenic toxicity)

Arsenic (toxic levels, antimony and arsenic can be found in public

water, irritates the skin and breathing)

Bismuth (possibly from medications)

Cadmium (toxic levels, pollution)

Lead (toxic levels)

Mercury (high levels)

Thallium (I do not see this toxin often, toxic levels, radioactive,

medical industry)

Uranium (toxic levels, but combined with thallium, can be more toxic)

Nickel (high levels)

Silver (high levels)

Tin (toxic levels)

Titanium (high levels, medications and food preservatives)

Copper (toxic levels) "

So I have been giving her supplement that I know is inadequate. But we

keep kosher so it was the best I could find at the time...also a

probiotic which I have just stopped since I discovered it contains

mannitol.

I will drop the kosher requirements in order to find a protocol which

is not too risky, which I can implement totally on my own, with no

tests or monitoring. I was looking at Lang's available here

http://www.brainchildnutritionals.com

and does anyone here think, for a mildly impaired girl, this would be

a wise move to try?

Her problems (short list):

1) IgA deficiency--often has sore throat and red vulva area

2) Loss of emotional control/tantrums/rages,

3) Oversensitive to fabrics/hot water--slight sensory issues,

4) Terrible digestion (chunky, loose stools--chronic, stomachaches,

bloating, at times in her life, small for age, now normal range),

5) Facial tics, (at one time vocal tics as well, which are now gone),

6) Milk allergy, multiple food intolerances and probably Celiac's

disease though I just can't subject her to that intestinal biopsy to

confirm.

We are low gluten but not totally gluten free as I cook oatmeal, and

use rye flour at times. She is totally dairy free. We eat all

organic, lots of veggies and fresh whole foods. A teensy sliver of

dairy free chocolate for an occasional treat. My kids think dessert

is a blended frozen banana and chocolate Rice dream...

thanks so much in advance my head is spinning !

Liora in Beijing

[Guest guest]

>>We got a hair analysis via mail (Dr. Janet Starr

> Hull) a year ago which showed

> " She is high in the following metals:

Find and remove sources of current exposures

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> I will drop the kosher requirements in order to find a protocol which

> is not too risky, which I can implement totally on my own, with no

> tests or monitoring.

I chelated my kids with ALA, on my own without a doctor or testing.

> Her problems (short list):

> 1) IgA deficiency--often has sore throat and red vulva area

Consider yeast overgrowth

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

> 2) Loss of emotional control/tantrums/rages,

Yeast overgrowth, milk intolerance, a few other things.

> 3) Oversensitive to fabrics/hot water--slight sensory issues,

Yeast ovegrowth, a few other things.

> 4) Terrible digestion (chunky, loose stools--chronic, stomachaches,

> bloating, at times in her life, small for age, now normal range),

Try giving digestive enzymes.

http://www.danasview.net/parent3.htm#supplements

> 5) Facial tics, (at one time vocal tics as well, which are now gone),

Most tics at my house were caused by yeast overgrowth.

> 6) Milk allergy, multiple food intolerances and probably Celiac's

> disease though I just can't subject her to that intestinal biopsy to

> confirm.

Milk intolerance is very probable.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hello Liora,

Welcome to the list. I don't have much time, but wanted to drop a

couple of things before heading out the door. Maybe others can expand a

bit, if not I'll be back. You can search the back posts for two topics

which will have lots of info and discussion. One is " yeast " - the facial

and speech tics for my son were all about yeast. He too is very mild,

like your daughter. But, the tics and outbursts of anger we controlled

pretty easily by using Grapefruit Seed Extract, and later adding biotin

to his supplements. We are getting ready to chelate, since until the

mercury is gone, the yeast will be a constant battle.

The second thing is to check out Mitochondrial Dysfunction. The stomach

aches make me think that. There are also some other symptoms that you

may not even be considering which are linked. For my daughter it was

teeth grinding, excessive ear wax, stomach aches (which lessened when we

used raw milk products only), headaches, acne, and more - I just can't

remember them all in a hurry. We put her on a Mito Cocktail as outlined

by other list member Dana at http://www.danasview.net - don't have the

exact link right now. That helped IMMENSELY with her, and we are also

chelating her in the near future.

Hope that gives you something to go on for now. The info here can seem

overwhelming, but after reading for a while, it all starts to make

sense. What I do is try to pick a subject or two that really interests

me and keep up with it until I can take it in. Then, move on to the

next one. You will find lots of helpful info here, don't be afraid to

ask questions as you go.

P.

lioracc wrote:

>

> Hi, I live in China with a mildly impaired girl, age 4.

>

> She's a " not Autistic, BUT... " kind of kid. We are certain had we

> kept vaxxing her that she would have been autistic...there are just

> too many similarities between her sxs and ASD.

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI Liora,

& nbsp;

I have Celiac and also lactose intolerance as well as sugar intolerances. What

helped me a lot was following and sticking to SCD ( specific carbohydrate diet).

I am 41 and I do biopsy every year. Since on the diet I improved in both

symptoms ( I am symptoms free if I stick 100% to the diet which I try. I just

cheat a bit with maybe more cafee than allowed and some dark chocolate).

Definetely gluten is out of my diet completely. It was hard in the first month

but after that I got used to it. I eliminated also all preservatives, artificial

colorants and flavours as I noticed I had bad reaction to them and try to buy

organic as much as I can (not completely). Start with next link

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

& nbsp;

Google specific carbohydrate diet and you will find recipes, support group.

Bellow is the link for more info on this diet and you can contact me directly if

you need more info on the subject.

Varinia

[Guest guest]

Thank you SO much for your replies, everyone!

SCD and more dietary restrictions like low sulfur:

I have considered it, but...our diet is already extremely limited. I

am to the point though that I must look into more food probs..

Kosher products only

95% organic

90%+ fresh whole foods for kids

No meat

No dairy (allergic, she is)

No fish (I give her fish oil, sporadically)

No wheat (reacts). Gluten free cereals on special occasions.

No oils except coconut, olive, flax seed, pumpkin seed and

occasionally sunflower....all are organic.

Yeast...interesting, since we ran out of her probiotic the constant

eye tics have RETURNED. How much GSE should I give a 34 pound (15.5

kilo) four year old each day?

[Guest guest]

Try to identify and reduce/remove sources of exposure. www.danasview.net/metals

Overwhelmed with the info here, need guidance.

Posted by: " lioracc " lioracc@... lioracc

Wed May 28, 2008 10:40 pm (PDT)

Hi, I live in China with a mildly impaired girl, age 4.

She's a " not Autistic, BUT... " kind of kid. We are certain had we

kept vaxxing her that she would have been autistic...there are just

too many similarities between her sxs and ASD.

There are no doctors here who know anything about metals, nor even how

to test for them. We got a hair analysis via mail (Dr. Janet Starr

Hull) a year ago which showed

" She is high in the following metals:

Aluminum (toxic levels, sourced to the manufacturing of foods)

Antimony (high levels, mocks arsenic toxicity)

Arsenic (toxic levels, antimony and arsenic can be found in public

water, irritates the skin and breathing)

Bismuth (possibly from medications)

Cadmium (toxic levels, pollution)

Lead (toxic levels)

Mercury (high levels)

Thallium (I do not see this toxin often, toxic levels, radioactive,

medical industry)

Uranium (toxic levels, but combined with thallium, can be more toxic)

Nickel (high levels)

Silver (high levels)

Tin (toxic levels)

Titanium (high levels, medications and food preservatives)

Copper (toxic levels) "

So I have been giving her supplement that I know is inadequate. But we

keep kosher so it was the best I could find at the time...also a

probiotic which I have just stopped since I discovered it contains

mannitol.

I will drop the kosher requirements in order to find a protocol which

is not too risky, which I can implement totally on my own, with no

tests or monitoring. I was looking at Lang's available here

http://www.brainchildnutritionals.com

and does anyone here think, for a mildly impaired girl, this would be

a wise move to try?

Her problems (short list):

1) IgA deficiency--often has sore throat and red vulva area

2) Loss of emotional control/tantrums/rages,

3) Oversensitive to fabrics/hot water--slight sensory issues,

4) Terrible digestion (chunky, loose stools--chronic, stomachaches,

bloating, at times in her life, small for age, now normal range),

5) Facial tics, (at one time vocal tics as well, which are now gone),

6) Milk allergy, multiple food intolerances and probably Celiac's

disease though I just can't subject her to that intestinal biopsy to

confirm.

We are low gluten but not totally gluten free as I cook oatmeal, and

use rye flour at times. She is totally dairy free. We eat all

organic, lots of veggies and fresh whole foods. A teensy sliver of

dairy free chocolate for an occasional treat. My kids think dessert

is a blended frozen banana and chocolate Rice dream...

thanks so much in advance my head is spinning !

Liora in Beijing

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[Guest guest]

> Yeast...interesting, since we ran out of her probiotic the constant

> eye tics have RETURNED. How much GSE should I give a 34 pound (15.5

> kilo) four year old each day?

I would start with one drop in the morning, it is pretty potent.

When I added biotin and magnesium, I was able to significantly reduce

the required dose of GSE. Eventually, I was able to remove the GSE.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Liara/:

This test is fine. For the moment, you don't need to do another one.

3 red, (Ca, Mg, Zn) " suspicious "

12 outside of green zone (that's a counting rule)

7 under + 1 borderline (generally high pattern)

Ca elevated.

As moderately elevated; maybe an issue?? ==>

TMG (.5-2g early in day),

folic acid (.4-1.2mg, 4x/d) &

B12 (several mg/d)

Scale those three to weight for a child and

be aware that too much methl donors can cause

anger, aggression and lack of motivation.

May not handle carbs well -

high protein or even Atkins can be tried.

If chemical sensitivity:

avoid carotenes, eat grapefuit & niacinamide .5gm 4x/d

Also Al and Antimony

(see Andy's other book, " Hair Test Interpretation " on what to avoid here)

Tin quite elevated, Thallium a bit elevated,

Ok, all of that indicates that the kid is very probably mercury toxic for which

you will need to chelate with ALA.

Lead is also very elevated. You will need to include DMSA at least 3 days per

month in the chelation protocol.

Uranium - could be location or could be an iron issue (too low iron can lead to

too high uranium). Actually, I wouldn't worry about this since the test

pattern is generally high. (That doesn't effect lead though.) If you happen

to have a ferritin test, then you want to see anything between 30 and 70.

Under 30 is low.

Magnesium red high with deranged minerals ==>

Give Mag and Taurine.

Na/Mg = 1.27, low end of normal.

No adrenal sign.

Na/K fine

K/Ca = .06

Thyroid looks ok.

Ca & Mg elevated ==> parathyroid may be in trouble.

Give Calcium and Magnesium.

Make sure sufficient vitamin D. Give 1200IU-2000IU (adult) scaled by weight

for a child _if_ he is not out in the sun much. Otherwise, it depends on

location. I don't know how far north Beiging is, but if over about 40 deg

north latitude, then you shold supplement. If lower then consider just

supplementing in the winter.

Since I remember that there are no more exposures and you appear to have the

supps in place, then you can get started with DMSA. Read in the files section

and/or andy's book, but the basic idea is to start the dose at 1/8mg per lb of

bodyweight. It's the same dose for ALA. You only need DMSA for 3 days per

month for the lead. It will also chelate mercury, but only from extracellular

spaces outside of the brain. The ALA is necessary to remove mercury from the

brain. Do not be in any rush to raise the dose level, and certainly don't go

above 1/2mg-lb.

Good luck - let us know how it's going!

(And spread the word in China!)

Dave.

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Posted by: " lioracc " lioracc@... lioracc

Date: Thu May 29, 2008 7:42 pm ((PDT))

> > The symptoms certainly sound like they could be mercury issues.

> >This hair test unfortunately, is not adequate. ...The test you want

> >is the " Hair Elements " test...

***The test we got was from Doctors Data Labs and does say Hair

Elements Test on it. I took an easily cut 'n paste general overview

from the discussion section of another document...I'll post the actual

results in another post.

> > (0) Just must confirm that she has no amalgam fillings, right?

** Right. No fillings at all. I do have a few. She had Vaccines

from Birth, 1 mo. and 2 mo. She got in total:

2 Hep B (1 imported, 1 Chinese at birth, both with mercury I'm sure)

BCG tuberculosis (do not know country of origin, given at birth)

1 Oral Polio (Chinese)

1 DPT (whole cell pertussis, Chinese brand)

then we STOPPED entirely.

> > (1) Doing an elimination diet to find _all_ food allergies.

> > (You feed a short list of generally safe foods for a week, and then

> >put foods back in one by one and look for reactions. That short list

> >is in the files section of the frequent-dose-chelation list, perhaps

> >also the autism treatment list)

*** Will try.

> > (2) Doing a sulfur exclusion diet to find out if she needs or needs

> >to stay away from high sulfur foods.

> > (Search using Onibasu.Com and look for " sulfur exclusion diet " )

***Hmm, ok. Need to check out that link.

DAVE--There is a list of high and low sulfur foods in the files section of

Frequent-Dose-Chelation, probably also in .

> > (3) Putting the proper (standard) supplements in place as described

> >here. (Basically magnesium, zinc, vitamins C, E, lots of Bs, CoQ10,

> >selenium as selenomethionine, Cod liver oil or flax oil, borage oil,

> >milk thistle)

****I'm ordering some Spectrum Support and extras currently. Already

give brazil nuts for selenium each day. Sodium Ascorbate high dose

several times a week. The best children's kosher chewable multi I

could find, not mainstream brand, not bad ingredients, good levels of

stuff, some digestive enzymes and a bit of lactobacillus....pretty

decent formulation but not sure how helpful/utilized.

Flax oil check.

Selenium check plus a little in supp.

Vit C check

Vit E 75 IU daily

B's seem adequate in supply, can give specs if u want.

Zinc and mag are inadequate in supplement-need to get.

CoQ10- need

Borage oil, can get easily but we have a lot of healthy oils in our

diet...is there something specific about Borage oil I don't know???

DAVE--Ok, make sure that when doing the elimination diet, you consider the

possibility that he might also be reactive to some additive in the supps. If

" Spectrum Support " is from Spectrum Naturals (??) I have had some trouble with

their stuff myself. (Arsenic is not too elevated, but it along with mercury

can lead to chemical sensitivity.) As for Borage oil, Andy suggests it. It's

just to make sure that the kid is getting all of the proper EFAs, both w-3 an

w-6.

> > (4) Doing a trial few rounds of chelation, using ALA on the proper

> >protocol and looking to see if she has any reactions to the ALA. If

> >so, then you have diagnosed mercury toxicity.

> > (The way to use ALA is dosing every 3 hours, even at night, starting

> >at 1/8 mg per lb of bodyweight. This is _very important_.)

> >

> > I would also strongly suggest your buying andy cutler's books from

> >amazon.com

> > or directly from him at noamalgam.com. I'm pretty sure he would

mail to china,

> > if you could transmit US currency here.

Thanks so much, Dave, will do!!'

Liora and in Beijing.

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Re: Overwhelmed with the info here, need guidance.

Posted by: " lioracc " lioracc@... lioracc

Date: Thu May 29, 2008 9:01 pm ((PDT))

our hair results, this is from a year ago, I have been very neglectful

sitting on this info for so long. Time for another hair test, I

think. comments and interpretation welcome. thank you! Liora in Beijing

Doctor's Data labs

Hair Elements test

TOXIC RESULT REFERENCE

ELEMENTS & #956;g/g RANGE

Aluminum 14 < 8.0 Yellow

Antimony 0.082 < 0.066 Yellow

Arsenic 0.13 < 0.080 Yellow

Beryllium < 0.01 < 0.020 Zero

Bismuth 0.048 < 2.0 Green

Cadmium 0.30 < 0.10 Yellow

Lead 3.1 < 1.0 Yellow

Mercury 0.36 < 0.40 High Green

Platinum < 0.003 < 0.005 Zero

Thallium 0.014 < 0.010 Yellow

Thorium < 0.001 < 0.005 Zero

Uranium 0.12 < 0.060 Yellow

Nickel 0.30 < 0.40 High Green

Silver 0.18 < 0.20 High Green

Tin 0.83 < 0.30 High Yellow very nearly Red

Titanium 0.89 < 1.0 High Green

ELEMENTS & #956;g/g RANGE

Calcium 1320 140- 500 RED OVER

Magnesium 150 15- 45 RED OVER

Sodium 190 12- 90 Yellow Over

Potassium 79 9- 60 Yellow Over

Copper 27 10- 22 Yellow Over

Zinc 310 100- 190 RED OVER

Manganese 0.92 0.20- 0.55 Yellow Over

Chromium 0.34 0.26- 0.50 Green Under

Vanadium 0.074 0.030- 0.10 Green over

Molybdenum 0.067 0.048- 0.13 Green Under

Boron 0.50 0.35- 3.0 Green Under

Iodine 0.86 0.25- 1.3 Green over

Lithium 0.008 0.007- 0.023 Green Under

Phosphorus 210 160- 250 Green over

Selenium 0.94 0.95- 1.7 Borderline Green/Yellow Under

Strontium 3.6 0.19- 2.0 Yellow over

Sulfur 45000 45500- 53000 Yellow Under

Barium 3.6 0.16- 1.2 Yellow over

Cobalt 0.021 0.013- 0.035 White Over

Iron 18 8.0- 19 Green over

Germanium 0.039 0.045- 0.065 Yellow Under

Rubidium 0.071 0.012- 0.16 Green Over

Zirconium 0.21 0.030- 1.0 White middle

Ca/Mg 8.8 4- 30

Ca/P 6.29 1- 12

Na/K 2.41 0.5- 10

Zn/Cu 11.5 4- 20

Zn/Cd > 999 > 800