Re: Re: Help-Daughter has severe stomach pain-all night

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Yes -to both questions-do you think I should stop giving it to her? I did

not give it to her this morning. She is not complaining as much this morning.

I am letting her stay home today from school. She did eat some cereal and

orange juice this morning. She had a bowel movement this morning-formed not

hard. She did not go at all yesterday-maybe this will help? Thanks for your

help.

In a message dated 1/2/2008 8:15:11 AM Central Standard Time,

danasview@... writes:

My daughter had severe stomach pain last night. I had given her

> Kirkmans Enzymes three times yesterday. At dinner time, she did not

> eat anything after I gave her one. This was the first day I had given

> it to her three times. Could the enzymes be causing the stomach pains?

Do they contain papain or bromelain? Some kids don't tolerate those.

Were they proteases? If so, they can address viruses if given on an

empty stomach, so it might be that. They can also clear out " gunk "

from the GI tract, which can cause problems if the child has an ulcer.

Dana

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Is that in anyway good? Just trying to understand how enzymes work. Right

now she is actually upstairs coloring all by herself- which does not happen too

often... Her mood is alot better than yesterday...

In a message dated 1/2/2008 8:34:46 AM Central Standard Time,

mlcowen@... writes:

Enzymes will attack the gut if there is no food present.

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How do you know if your child has an ulcer?

In a message dated 1/2/2008 9:09:03 AM Central Standard Time,

danasview@... writes:

> Enzymes will attack the gut if there is no food present.

Proteases will debride *dead* tissue, so they are good at clearing out

the " gunk " if given on an empty stomach. If there is an ulcer

present, they can cause problems with that, because of the open sore

and surrounding dead tissue. If there is no ulcer, proteases work

very well on an empty stomach to address viruses, bad bacteria, and

" gunk " . Other types of enzymes work well for yeast if given on an

empty stomach.

Dana

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Enzymes will attack the gut if there is no food present.

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>

> My daughter had severe stomach pain last night. I had given her

> Kirkmans Enzymes three times yesterday. At dinner time, she did not

> eat anything after I gave her one. This was the first day I had given

> it to her three times. Could the enzymes be causing the stomach pains?

Do they contain papain or bromelain? Some kids don't tolerate those.

Were they proteases? If so, they can address viruses if given on an

empty stomach, so it might be that. They can also clear out " gunk "

from the GI tract, which can cause problems if the child has an ulcer.

Dana

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Enzymes will attack the gut if there is no food present.

I am confused about this statement. If that is true then there is no point

on giving some of them on an empty stomach for better healing.

Please clarify.

Leo

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No, it is not good.

Re: [ ] Re: Help-Daughter has severe stomach pain-all

night

Is that in anyway good? Just trying to understand how enzymes work. Right

now she is actually upstairs coloring all by herself- which does not happen too

often... Her mood is alot better than yesterday...

In a message dated 1/2/2008 8:34:46 AM Central Standard Time,

mlcowen (DOT) com writes:

Enzymes will attack the gut if there is no food present.

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Is that in anyway good?

===>It can be good, giving enzymes on an empty stomach is recommended for

inflammation and also, I think parasites. If your dd is dealing with either of

these and you got improvement by giving enzymes w/o food, it would be good.

Just trying to understand how enzymes work. Right

now she is actually upstairs coloring all by herself- which does not happen

too

often... Her mood is alot better than yesterday...

In a message dated 1/2/2008 8:34:46 AM Central Standard Time,

mlcowen@... writes:

Enzymes will attack the gut if there is no food present.

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By endoscopy. You might want to see a Ped Gi If you suspect one. They can be

quite painful.

Leo

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Upper GI scope. Our Atlanta GI doc refused to give the

scope. We had to go to Boston and Dr. Buie to discover

a duodenal ulcer following the scope.

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night

How do you know if your child has an ulcer?

In a message dated 1/2/2008 9:09:03 AM Central Standard Time,

danasview (DOT) com writes:

> Enzymes will attack the gut if there is no food present.

Proteases will debride *dead* tissue, so they are good at clearing out

the " gunk " if given on an empty stomach. If there is an ulcer

present, they can cause problems with that, because of the open sore

and surrounding dead tissue. If there is no ulcer, proteases work

very well on an empty stomach to address viruses, bad bacteria, and

" gunk " . Other types of enzymes work well for yeast if given on an

empty stomach.

Dana

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In a message dated 1/2/2008 5:54:58 PM Central Standard Time, sage@...

writes:

My daughter had severe stomach pain last night. I had given her

> Kirkmans Enzymes three times yesterday. At dinner time, she did not

> eat anything after I gave her one. This was the first day I had given

> it to her three times. Could the enzymes be causing the stomach pains?

> Any thoughts what I could do to help her?

>

I'm just catching up on some of your posts.

Yesterday you wrote that her stomach feels hard. Does she still

have this symptom? If so, I would take her to a doctor for an

exam of her belly to rule out appendicitis or obstruction or

GI bleed, that sort of thing.

It might not be any of those things, but a hard, rigid belly is

a danger sign that should be checked out. And sounds like she

also has ongoing pain and has had fever recently. Is she having

regular BMs? If she has become more constipated than normal, or

has vomited, that would add to concern.

I would not give any activated charcoal or Motrin or other NSAIDs

until you get her checked out. Someone suggested plain chicken

broth, which sounds fine.

I don't mean to alarm you - she may not have anything serious, but

the hard belly is a concerning sign and should be checked by a doctor.

--

p.s. I had stomach problems when I started certain enzymes (different

products than you are using). I had severe nausea rather than pain.

Even a sprinkle of enzymes caused problems. I had to fix my stomach

before I could use enzymes.

She had a regular BM today. Not Constipated or vomiting. I just felt her

stomach -it feels alittle

stiff-not sure if it should feel totally soft. I gave her the charcoal about

an hour ago- she just told me her stomach feels fine right now. at least for

the moment- If she doesn't feel better in the morning - I will take her to

the doctor. I gave her Motrin acouple of days ago when she had a fever. I am

sure this did not help matters. THanks for your help. Sheila

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