Re: Chelation - is it working at all?

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In a message dated 17/01/2008 18:58:00 GMT Standard Time,

lanellici@... writes:

He has done well with tolerating both DMSA and ALA. He is however very

yeasty now.

>

> We have not seen any gains yet.

I think yeast is masking the improvements. Sometimes it takes longer to

show. But IMO if the

chelators are making him yeasty, then that's a side effect, and you won't

get side effects if

there are no metals...so hang in there! Consider choosing another point,

like 15 rounds? and

re-evaluate.

>>I agree with everything Nell said, we got to 20 rounds before we got a

real handle on the yeast and could see the gains he had made - keep going,

months, years

Mandi 112 rounds in the bag and still not done!

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Hi,

I certainly understand your hesitance toward IV EDTA, however, we

tried the DMSA to no avail. Then we went to the IV EDTA and after a

couple of months our 4.5 year old son started putting sentences

together and asking a few questions...

Regards,

Steve

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> We have done 7 rounds of chelation with our son. The first 5

with just DMSA and the last 2 rounds with DMSA / ALA. I started my

son on 3.5 mg of DMSA then increased to 5 and for the last 3 rounds

he has been at 8 mgs. He has done well with tolerating both DMSA

and ALA. He is however very yeasty now.

>

> We have not seen any gains yet. I don't know if its too soon to

see any positives? I have a friend who saw gains on the 2nd

round..... I have also read of parents seeing gains right away. My

son will be 3 yrs old in a couple of months and I was hoping to get

him a little bit better before he starts preschool. He is non-

verbal. My greatest fear is sending him to school when he can't

tell me what is happening to him.

>

> Is it to soon for us to see gains? His father keeps asking me

if I know what I am doing. He of course wants to do the IV

chelation challenge test that our DAN has recommended but I totally

refuse to do it. I am just trying to stay positive and on track

even though I wonder sometimes if it will ever work for my son.

>

>

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ALA is what chelates mercury out of the brain so I would say give it more time.

Every child is different and 2 rounds using ALA is probably not enough to show

gains. Plus I myself believe the brain needs to heal. It sounds like he is doing

fine on the dosage but more isn't necessarily better or faster.If he is about 32

lbs you are giving 1/4 mg per pound I would stick with that for a while and not

up it. JMO : )

[ ] Chelation - is it working at all?

Hi everyone,

We have done 7 rounds of chelation with our son. The first 5 with just DMSA and

the last 2 rounds with DMSA / ALA. I started my son on 3.5 mg of DMSA then

increased to 5 and for the last 3 rounds he has been at 8 mgs. He has done well

with tolerating both DMSA and ALA. He is however very yeasty now.

We have not seen any gains yet. I don't know if its too soon to see any

positives? I have a friend who saw gains on the 2nd round..... I have also read

of parents seeing gains right away. My son will be 3 yrs old in a couple of

months and I was hoping to get him a little bit better before he starts

preschool. He is non-verbal. My greatest fear is sending him to school when he

can't tell me what is happening to him.

Is it to soon for us to see gains? His father keeps asking me if I know what I

am doing. He of course wants to do the IV chelation challenge test that our DAN

has recommended but I totally refuse to do it. I am just trying to stay positive

and on track even though I wonder sometimes if it will ever work for my son.

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> He has done well with tolerating both DMSA and ALA. He is however very

yeasty now.

>

> We have not seen any gains yet.

I think yeast is masking the improvements. Sometimes it takes longer to show.

But IMO if the

chelators are making him yeasty, then that's a side effect, and you won't get

side effects if

there are no metals...so hang in there! Consider choosing another point, like 15

rounds? and

re-evaluate.

Nell

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Steve,

Thank you for sharing your experience and I am really happy that your son is

doing well. IV chelation does scare me however I will never rule it out. I

will continue with oral DMSA / ALA and hope for the best.

sspatriots <sspatriots@...> wrote:

Hi,

I certainly understand your hesitance toward IV EDTA, however, we

tried the DMSA to no avail. Then we went to the IV EDTA and after a

couple of months our 4.5 year old son started putting sentences

together and asking a few questions...

Regards,

Steve

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> We have done 7 rounds of chelation with our son. The first 5

with just DMSA and the last 2 rounds with DMSA / ALA. I started my

son on 3.5 mg of DMSA then increased to 5 and for the last 3 rounds

he has been at 8 mgs. He has done well with tolerating both DMSA

and ALA. He is however very yeasty now.

>

> We have not seen any gains yet. I don't know if its too soon to

see any positives? I have a friend who saw gains on the 2nd

round..... I have also read of parents seeing gains right away. My

son will be 3 yrs old in a couple of months and I was hoping to get

him a little bit better before he starts preschool. He is non-

verbal. My greatest fear is sending him to school when he can't

tell me what is happening to him.

>

> Is it to soon for us to see gains? His father keeps asking me

if I know what I am doing. He of course wants to do the IV

chelation challenge test that our DAN has recommended but I totally

refuse to do it. I am just trying to stay positive and on track

even though I wonder sometimes if it will ever work for my son.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

>

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Thank you everyone. The yeast is definitely winning right now. I will continue

on with chelation and hopefully soon I will be posting with great news.

Mum231ASD@... wrote:

In a message dated 17/01/2008 18:58:00 GMT Standard Time,

lanellici@... writes:

He has done well with tolerating both DMSA and ALA. He is however very

yeasty now.

>

> We have not seen any gains yet.

I think yeast is masking the improvements. Sometimes it takes longer to

show. But IMO if the

chelators are making him yeasty, then that's a side effect, and you won't

get side effects if

there are no metals...so hang in there! Consider choosing another point,

like 15 rounds? and

re-evaluate.

>>I agree with everything Nell said, we got to 20 rounds before we got a

real handle on the yeast and could see the gains he had made - keep going,

months, years

Mandi 112 rounds in the bag and still not done!

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Hello Mandi

>>I agree with everything Nell said, we got to 20 rounds before we got a

> real handle on the yeast and could see the gains he had made - keep going,

> months, years

>

> Mandi 112 rounds in the bag and still not done!

>

Do you sell ALA in your store?

is (who found eating a small bowl of brazil nuts made her cold and

is wondering if this is copper leaving her system)?

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Are you treating the yeast?? This may interfere with progress.

-- In , " sspatriots " <sspatriots@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I certainly understand your hesitance toward IV EDTA, however, we

> tried the DMSA to no avail. Then we went to the IV EDTA and after a

> couple of months our 4.5 year old son started putting sentences

> together and asking a few questions...

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Steve

>

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > We have done 7 rounds of chelation with our son. The first 5

> with just DMSA and the last 2 rounds with DMSA / ALA. I started my

> son on 3.5 mg of DMSA then increased to 5 and for the last 3 rounds

> he has been at 8 mgs. He has done well with tolerating both DMSA

> and ALA. He is however very yeasty now.

> >

> > We have not seen any gains yet. I don't know if its too soon to

> see any positives? I have a friend who saw gains on the 2nd

> round..... I have also read of parents seeing gains right away. My

> son will be 3 yrs old in a couple of months and I was hoping to get

> him a little bit better before he starts preschool. He is non-

> verbal. My greatest fear is sending him to school when he can't

> tell me what is happening to him.

> >

> > Is it to soon for us to see gains? His father keeps asking me

> if I know what I am doing. He of course wants to do the IV

> chelation challenge test that our DAN has recommended but I totally

> refuse to do it. I am just trying to stay positive and on track

> even though I wonder sometimes if it will ever work for my son.

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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> Mobile. Try it now.

> >

> >

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Yes, I am trying my best. I have to admit I am still not certain on what

supplements to give and how much.

Currently I am giving my son 1packet of threelac in the morning, biotin about

300 mcg, probiotics and about 2 drops of GSE a day for two days and then off.

Jada <paxlforme@...> wrote:

Are you treating the yeast?? This may interfere with progress.

-- In , " sspatriots " <sspatriots@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I certainly understand your hesitance toward IV EDTA, however, we

> tried the DMSA to no avail. Then we went to the IV EDTA and after a

> couple of months our 4.5 year old son started putting sentences

> together and asking a few questions...

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Steve

>

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > We have done 7 rounds of chelation with our son. The first 5

> with just DMSA and the last 2 rounds with DMSA / ALA. I started my

> son on 3.5 mg of DMSA then increased to 5 and for the last 3 rounds

> he has been at 8 mgs. He has done well with tolerating both DMSA

> and ALA. He is however very yeasty now.

> >

> > We have not seen any gains yet. I don't know if its too soon to

> see any positives? I have a friend who saw gains on the 2nd

> round..... I have also read of parents seeing gains right away. My

> son will be 3 yrs old in a couple of months and I was hoping to get

> him a little bit better before he starts preschool. He is non-

> verbal. My greatest fear is sending him to school when he can't

> tell me what is happening to him.

> >

> > Is it to soon for us to see gains? His father keeps asking me

> if I know what I am doing. He of course wants to do the IV

> chelation challenge test that our DAN has recommended but I totally

> refuse to do it. I am just trying to stay positive and on track

> even though I wonder sometimes if it will ever work for my son.

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

> Mobile. Try it now.

> >

> >

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In a message dated 17/01/2008 20:48:09 GMT Standard Time,

alexis.atrekkie22@... writes:

Do you sell ALA in your store?

>>Hi is

No I don't, I would if I could guaranteee anybody take it would dose 3

hourly but as I can't I wont take the risk of selling something that could hurt

a

kid if used badly. You can get Kirkman brand which is nice tiny cpas and 25mg

per dose at the NutriCentre

Mandi x

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[ ] Chelation - is it working at all?

Hi everyone,

We have done 7 rounds of chelation with our son. The first 5 with just DMSA

and the last 2 rounds with DMSA / ALA. I started my son on 3.5 mg of DMSA then

increased to 5 and for the last 3 rounds he has been at 8 mgs. He has done well

with tolerating both DMSA and ALA. He is however very yeasty now.

We have not seen any gains yet. I don't know if its too soon to see any

positives? I have a friend who saw gains on the 2nd round..... I have also read

of parents seeing gains right away. My son will be 3 yrs old in a couple of

months and I was hoping to get him a little bit better before he starts

preschool. He is non-verbal. My greatest fear is sending him to school when he

can't tell me what is happening to him.

Is it to soon for us to see gains? His father keeps asking me if I know what I

am doing. He of course wants to do the IV chelation challenge test that our DAN

has recommended but I totally refuse to do it. I am just trying to stay positive

and on track even though I wonder sometimes if it will ever work for my son.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Rio

My greatest fear is sending him to school when he can't tell me what is

happening to him.

====>I'm with you here. Maybe just ME, but I wouldn't ever send a child who

couldn't communicate in some very distinctive way, anywhere alone.

Give it some time, a few more rounds and increase your yeast protocol.

Is it to soon for us to see gains? His father keeps asking me if I know what I

am doing. He of course wants to do the IV chelation challenge test that our DAN

has recommended but I totally refuse to do it. I am just trying to stay positive

and on track even though I wonder sometimes if it will ever work for my son.

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From: Rio

'My greatest fear is sending him to school when he can't tell me what is

happening to him.'

I just finished an email to a friend where I told them of how I did my own

ABA educational program for my daughter when she was little with teen tutors

from our church. I had no idea that what we were doing in our basement school

room was so much more beneficial than anything she would get in the public

school. I wish we had just kept going instead of interrupting her education by

sending her to school. LOL I feel like we wasted 6 years in our inadequate

school

system in this area. We now homeschool. If you are worried about sending

your child to school and out from under your personal supervision...a home ABA

program is a fabulous way to start homeschooling. If you don't want to

homeschool long term, you can do so until your child has communication skills.

I

don't ever want it to happen to another parent where the first full complete

sentence or original communication they hear from their child is what I heard

which was " Miss....... ........ hit .............me " upon picking her up at

school. I am so thankful that my daughter had some communication ability.

Before that time she could only do command communications like I want milk or I

want juice and she could answer questions I had drilled her about. But that

day she struggled but got out every word of the above shocker.

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I know. I am seriously thinking about waiting a little longer before sending

him to school. I hope he will start to communicate soon.

Thanks .

<Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Rio

My greatest fear is sending him to school when he can't tell me what is

happening to him.

====>I'm with you here. Maybe just ME, but I wouldn't ever send a child who

couldn't communicate in some very distinctive way, anywhere alone.

Give it some time, a few more rounds and increase your yeast protocol.

Is it to soon for us to see gains? His father keeps asking me if I know what I

am doing. He of course wants to do the IV chelation challenge test that our DAN

has recommended but I totally refuse to do it. I am just trying to stay positive

and on track even though I wonder sometimes if it will ever work for my son.

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> We have not seen any gains yet. I don't know if its too soon to

see any positives? I have a friend who saw gains on the 2nd round.....

I saw gains in my son at about the 10th round of ALA. Most of my

son's gains were caused by supplements tho, altho he did not tolerate

most supplements until chelation, so the ALA was a required first step

for him to tolerate the supps he needed for recovery. ALA did

eliminate most of his food issues also.

>>He is non-verbal.

On this page is what my son needed for speech

http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

>>My greatest fear is sending him to school when he can't tell me what

is happening to him.

I homeschool my kids.

Dana

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> Currently I am giving my son 1packet of threelac in the morning,

biotin about 300 mcg, probiotics and about 2 drops of GSE a day for

two days and then off.

Try giving the biotin every day, 1mg. See if that helps. Most kids

seem to need 5-10mg per day. My son needed more.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

Ok, since we have only done 2 rounds of ALA I am going to continue and see

where we are by the 10th round of ALA. I am using biotin (Solgar) it does

always dissolve well but hopefully its helping.

I am going to add Lysine as well but should I wait until we have the yeast

under control?

danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

> We have not seen any gains yet. I don't know if its too soon to

see any positives? I have a friend who saw gains on the 2nd round.....

I saw gains in my son at about the 10th round of ALA. Most of my

son's gains were caused by supplements tho, altho he did not tolerate

most supplements until chelation, so the ALA was a required first step

for him to tolerate the supps he needed for recovery. ALA did

eliminate most of his food issues also.

>>He is non-verbal.

On this page is what my son needed for speech

http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

>>My greatest fear is sending him to school when he can't tell me what

is happening to him.

I homeschool my kids.

Dana

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> Hi Dana,

> Ok, since we have only done 2 rounds of ALA I am going to continue

and see where we are by the 10th round of ALA. I am using biotin

(Solgar) it does always dissolve well but hopefully its helping.

> I am going to add Lysine as well but should I wait until we have

the yeast under control?

At my house, lysine caused massive yeast [and massive improvements],

so yes, you might want to wait until you figure out what works best

for your child to control yeast before adding it.

Dana