Re: repost ( 4th round pink cheeks/nose)

[Guest guest]

I think Andy has talked about the iron issue. Giving lots of

antioxidants, cooking on cast iron, not overcooking red meat, are

all natural ways to get natural iron in. Look in onibasu to see

what you can find, and maybe check his diet file.

Anne

>

> Ok we are in the middle of round four. Seems my son shows

reactions to

> things most by getting a red nose and cheeks. None of his

supplements

> have changed but just like last round at about mid way he has red

> cheeks and nose. This didn't happen with just the DMSA ( first 2

> rounds ) Maybe its a coincidence that its been since ALA? Not

looking

> to stop ALA just wondering if Anyone knows what it could be. He is

a

> bit hyper today ( fidgety ) not sleeping as well but doing great

in ABA

> therapy etc. Seems happy maybe a tiny bit more tired on rounds.

His

> blood ferritin test came back very low. Natural ways to up iron

intake

> absorption? Dont want to give iron supplements AT ALL. Thanks : )

>

> Oh ya he is on very low dose of both DMSA and ALA just under 1/8

mg per

> pound. Wanted to up it after 6 rounds

>

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to give you some input on iron supplementation and metal

toxicity. Increasing iron intake naturally like your doing is ok.

Supplementing it however.... So you right to avoid the supplements.

As I read it in Andy's books:

Iron is toxic and also an oxidizer. People with mercury

toxicity..there bodies are under a lot of oxidative stress, one of the

ways the body handles this is to dump what oxidizers it can. Since it

cannot dump the mercury, it dumps the iron. Supplementing iron often

makes mercury toxic people feel worse, and does not correct the

imbalance. Once the mercury is lessened, the body will then correct

this imbalance by once again storing iron.

As for the red cheeks..fenols or yeast??

I found the being a bit fidgety on ALA can be part of it. I get that

way myself. It's like all the sudden I have a bit more energy, and I

can think clearly and I have all this ambition to get tons of things

done. Of course, once I stop the ALA....I got back to tired, don't

want to do much.

We also found that in the beginning of chelation, dmsa messed up

sleep. It was hard to fall asleep or stay asleep. We had to use

melatonin on rounds, and sometimes for a few nights after. For myself,

my son and daughter..all had this problem. My older NT child has to

take melatonin every night. My 5 yr old only needs it with rounds.

Same with me. But as we got on in chelation, I have noticed we need it

less, and they are able to sleep better. Being a tiny bit more tired

we found too. Naps are great, or giving some extra vitamin C.

> >

> > Ok we are in the middle of round four. Seems my son shows

> reactions to

> > things most by getting a red nose and cheeks. None of his

> supplements

> > have changed but just like last round at about mid way he has red

> > cheeks and nose. This didn't happen with just the DMSA ( first 2

> > rounds ) Maybe its a coincidence that its been since ALA? Not

> looking

> > t

[Guest guest]

I know it can be difficult. My son had constipation problems before

chelation and yeast. Which has really been no worse with chelation.

Unfortunately the yeast won't go away until we get farther into

chelation. Have to get the metals out to get the yeast gone. I have to

say yeast was a bear probably the first 10 rounds but got more

manageable as we continued. We are on round 31 now, and it does flare

up on the round, and I have to increase the GSE. I found that gringing

up some GSE tablets and putting a bit of the powder in with each dose

of dmsa/ala..really helped with the yeast. But yes, the yeast does

appear quickly with chelation. The key it to keep it manageable enough

that it doesn't create a lot of behavioral disturbances. And when it

does, remind yourself...it's the yeast..it'll calm down in a day or

two. This is when we give more gse, probiotics and give epsom salt

baths..which really calm him down.

-- In , Largey <l.largey@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for the input I appreciate it. That makes sense with the

iron.He is on no-phenol so maybe the yeast is going to show its ugly

head. We tested stool analysis as having no yeast problem before we

started. I wonder if yeast can become a problem this soon. He is just

doing biotin and probiotics. I do have garlic and GSE on hand in case.

NOT looking forward to this. I know I need to chelate him but I feel

like kind of bad knowing its going to give him gut problems when he

didn't have then before : ( We use a low dose of melatonin before bed

and it has worked great.. but I have not had to give it to him at nap

time before and now I guess I will...I can tell he is tired but just

so fidgety and cant seem to settle his muscles down. I spent 15

minutes today giving him a massage to get him to sleep...lol.. thanks

for sharing your own experience it makes me feel alot better.

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: repost ( 4th round pink cheeks/nose)

>

> Just wanted to give you some input on iron supplementation and metal

> toxicity. Increasing iron intake naturally like your doing is ok.

> Supplementing it however.... So you right to avoid the supplements.

>

> As I read it in Andy's books:

> Iron is toxic and also an oxidizer. People with mercury

> toxicity..there bodies are under a lot of oxidative stress, one of the

> ways the body handles this is to dump what oxidizers it can. Since it

> cannot dump the mercury, it dumps the iron. Supplementing iron often

> makes mercury toxic people feel worse, and does not correct the

> imbalance. Once the mercury is lessened, the body will then correct

> this imbalance by once again storing iron.

>

> As for the red cheeks..fenols or yeast??

> I found the being a bit fidgety on ALA can be part of it. I get that

> way myself. It's like all the sudden I have a bit more energy, and I

> can think clearly and I have all this ambition to get tons of things

> done. Of course, once I stop the ALA....I got back to tired, don't

> want to do much.

> We also found that in the beginning of chelation, dmsa messed up

> sleep. It was hard to fall asleep or stay asleep. We had to use

> melatonin on rounds, and sometimes for a few nights after. For myself,

> my son and daughter..all had this problem. My older NT child has to

> take melatonin every night. My 5 yr old only needs it with rounds.

> Same with me. But as we got on in chelation, I have noticed we need it

> less, and they are able to sleep better. Being a tiny bit more tired

> we found too. Naps are great, or giving some extra vitamin C.

>

>

> > >

> > > Ok we are in the middle of round four. Seems my son shows

> > reactions to

> > > things most by getting a red nose and cheeks. None of his

> > supplements

> > > have changed but just like last round at about mid way he has red

> > > cheeks and nose. This didn't happen with just the DMSA ( first 2

> > > rounds ) Maybe its a coincidence that its been since ALA? Not

> > looking

> > > t

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

-hmmm I wonder. I haven't changed any supplements or food in quite a

while.. well 4 weeks anyways... Would sulpher from chelation agents

cause indigestion?

-- In , " " <Ladyshrink111@...>

wrote:

>

> Another thought, I just read that indigestion can cause dilation of

the cheeks and nose, wonder if that is at play here.

>

>

>

> [ ] Re: repost ( 4th round pink cheeks/nose)

>

> Just wanted to give you some input on iron supplementation and

metal

> toxicity. Increasing iron intake naturally like your doing is ok.

> Supplementing it however.... So you right to avoid the

supplements.

>

> As I read it in Andy's books:

> Iron is toxic and also an oxidizer. People with mercury

> toxicity..there bodies are under a lot of oxidative stress, one

of the

> ways the body handles this is to dump what oxidizers it can.

Since it

> cannot dump the mercury, it dumps the iron. Supplementing iron

often

> makes mercury toxic people feel worse, and does not correct the

> imbalance. Once the mercury is lessened, the body will then

correct

> this imbalance by once again storing iron.

>

> As for the red cheeks..fenols or yeast??

> I found the being a bit fidgety on ALA can be part of it. I get

that

> way myself. It's like all the sudden I have a bit more energy,

and I

> can think clearly and I have all this ambition to get tons of

things

> done. Of course, once I stop the ALA....I got back to tired, don't

> want to do much.

> We also found that in the beginning of chelation, dmsa messed up

> sleep. It was hard to fall asleep or stay asleep. We had to use

> melatonin on rounds, and sometimes for a few nights after. For

myself,

> my son and daughter..all had this problem. My older NT child has

to

> take melatonin every night. My 5 yr old only needs it with rounds.

> Same with me. But as we got on in chelation, I have noticed we

need it

> less, and they are able to sleep better. Being a tiny bit more

tired

> we found too. Naps are great, or giving some extra vitamin C.

>

>

> > >

> > > Ok we are in the middle of round four. Seems my son shows

> > reactions to

> > > things most by getting a red nose and cheeks. None of his

> > supplements

> > > have changed but just like last round at about mid way he has

red

> > > cheeks and nose. This didn't happen with just the DMSA (

first 2

> > > rounds ) Maybe its a coincidence that its been since ALA? Not

> > looking

> > > t

>

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>

> Thank u : ) How much GSE would you suggest I start him on he is 25

lbs. I have no idea on this one. Also I read giving no-fenol righ

before can be helpful?

The easiest thing would be to get the drops and start with 1 drop.

The tablets I have are roughly equal to 12 drops each, but they are

fairly easy to cut with a pill cutter, or crush.

I've used either candidase or no-fenol about 1/2-1 hour before

giving GSE (for myself, not for a child) and this increases the

die-off feelings but also helps more than GSE alone.

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>

> oh darn I only have Kirkmans GSE in capsules 125 mg. Where do they

sell the drops I checked the local health food store didnt have it : (

sorry so many questions

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/728177010010.html

You can find other vendors:

http://www.google.com/prdhp?hl=en & tab=wf

Of course, you can also divide the capsules - more of

a pain than cutting tablets, though.

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