Re: or anyone - Christos' Hair Test and Chelation questions

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ... I tried to reply to your post, but it didn't work...

anyways...

>

> Christos doesn't have amalgams, no recent vaccinations, occasional

tuna. I was using glutithione and Authia cream, but have stopped...

this could account for the high levels of mercury in his hair. I did

chelation with Christos about 2 years ago for about 2 years working

with a DAN doctor using the ALA 100 mgs and DMSA 100mgs every 8 hours

3 days on 11 days off...and lead came out as reflected in his urine

tests, but the mercury didn't show up. I had to stop per the doctor

because his zinc levels became too low per RBC tests we did

periodically.

>

> Christos made good progress from his previous chelation for a

child who had no words until he was nearly 5 years old, but I believe

the mercury is still there getting in his way.

The hair test strongly indicates a mercury problem. It is an all low

test, meets counting rule 1. Kids with the all low pattern tend to

benefit from interventions to improve digestion, such as betaine hcl

and digestive enzymes with meals.

A supplement of 5 mg lithium orotate is helpful when lithium is

undetectable.

> His most recent neuropsy visit puts him in the 2nd grade level for

reading and math...still severe language disorder. He's in the 5th

grade in a separate classroom for learning problems. He was diagnosed

in " 99 when he was 2. I did the diet, no longer necessay because his

gut is now healed. He was on nystatin for over a year to get rid of

the yeast. Hopefully most of the lead is gone or will be so now I

want to get rid of the mercury that's been there far too long.

It takes several years for all of the lead to move out of the bones

and brain. I suggest including DMSA at least once every month or two

to get rid of the remaining lead.

> I started chelating this Friday using 12.5mgs of ALA every 3

hours and every 4 hours during the night. He's doing fine... He's 70

pounds. I will be adding DMSA 12.5 mgs also the next round. I am

chelating this weekend until tomorrow evening which will give him the

300 mgs of ALA over the course of the 3 days. I am planning to

chelate every other weekend...with the same dosage, but would like to

increase it up to 25 mgs of DMSA and ALA after a few rounds.

A good rule of thumb is to increase dose by no more than 50% at

one time. Doubling the dose can more than double the side effects.

I suggest doing a few rounds at 16-18 mg before increasing to 25 mg.

> How does that sound? I understand now that mercury is more

likely to show in the stool than the urine after chelation. How many

rounds should be done before a stool test can be done to see if

anything is coming out?

Urine and stool tests tend to be more confusing than helpful.

Excretion is pretty random and you may see a lot coming out if

you pick the right day, and nothing much coming out otherwise.

--

> I appreciate your time...Beth

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son also had undetectable lithium in his hair and also in urine test. Isn't

lithium supplementation, even with the orotate form sometimes not good under

certain conditions?

[ ] Re: or anyone - Christos' Hair Test and

Chelation questions

>

> Hi ... I tried to reply to your post, but it didn't work...

anyways...

>

> Christos doesn't have amalgams, no recent vaccinations, occasional

tuna. I was using glutithione and Authia cream, but have stopped...

this could account for the high levels of mercury in his hair. I did

chelation with Christos about 2 years ago for about 2 years working

with a DAN doctor using the ALA 100 mgs and DMSA 100mgs every 8 hours

3 days on 11 days off...and lead came out as reflected in his urine

tests, but the mercury didn't show up. I had to stop per the doctor

because his zinc levels became too low per RBC tests we did

periodically.

>

> Christos made good progress from his previous chelation for a

child who had no words until he was nearly 5 years old, but I believe

the mercury is still there getting in his way.

The hair test strongly indicates a mercury problem. It is an all low

test, meets counting rule 1. Kids with the all low pattern tend to

benefit from interventions to improve digestion, such as betaine hcl

and digestive enzymes with meals.

A supplement of 5 mg lithium orotate is helpful when lithium is

undetectable.

> His most recent neuropsy visit puts him in the 2nd grade level for

reading and math...still severe language disorder. He's in the 5th

grade in a separate classroom for learning problems. He was diagnosed

in " 99 when he was 2. I did the diet, no longer necessay because his

gut is now healed. He was on nystatin for over a year to get rid of

the yeast. Hopefully most of the lead is gone or will be so now I

want to get rid of the mercury that's been there far too long.

It takes several years for all of the lead to move out of the bones

and brain. I suggest including DMSA at least once every month or two

to get rid of the remaining lead.

> I started chelating this Friday using 12.5mgs of ALA every 3

hours and every 4 hours during the night. He's doing fine... He's 70

pounds. I will be adding DMSA 12.5 mgs also the next round. I am

chelating this weekend until tomorrow evening which will give him the

300 mgs of ALA over the course of the 3 days. I am planning to

chelate every other weekend...with the same dosage, but would like to

increase it up to 25 mgs of DMSA and ALA after a few rounds.

A good rule of thumb is to increase dose by no more than 50% at

one time. Doubling the dose can more than double the side effects.

I suggest doing a few rounds at 16-18 mg before increasing to 25 mg.

> How does that sound? I understand now that mercury is more

likely to show in the stool than the urine after chelation. How many

rounds should be done before a stool test can be done to see if

anything is coming out?

Urine and stool tests tend to be more confusing than helpful.

Excretion is pretty random and you may see a lot coming out if

you pick the right day, and nothing much coming out otherwise.

--

> I appreciate your time...Beth

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what you refer to when you suggest it is not good under

certain conditions?

From what I have read, I feel it is safe, especially for people who

are low. It is not like lithium carbonate, the prescription form of

lithium, which requires much higher doses to achieve benefits and as

a result requires careful monitoring for toxicity. I believe the Rx

dose is something like 20 times higher than what is needed when using

the orotate.

--

> >

> > Hi ... I tried to reply to your post, but it didn't work...

> anyways...

> >

> > Christos doesn't have amalgams, no recent vaccinations, occasional

> tuna. I was using glutithione and Authia cream, but have stopped...

> this could account for the high levels of mercury in his hair. I did

> chelation with Christos about 2 years ago for about 2 years working

> with a DAN doctor using the ALA 100 mgs and DMSA 100mgs every 8 hours

> 3 days on 11 days off...and lead came out as reflected in his urine

> tests, but the mercury didn't show up. I had to stop per the doctor

> because his zinc levels became too low per RBC tests we did

> periodically.

> >

> > Christos made good progress from his previous chelation for a

> child who had no words until he was nearly 5 years old, but I believe

> the mercury is still there getting in his way.

>

> The hair test strongly indicates a mercury problem. It is an all low

> test, meets counting rule 1. Kids with the all low pattern tend to

> benefit from interventions to improve digestion, such as betaine hcl

> and digestive enzymes with meals.

>

> A supplement of 5 mg lithium orotate is helpful when lithium is

> undetectable.

>

> > His most recent neuropsy visit puts him in the 2nd grade level for

> reading and math...still severe language disorder. He's in the 5th

> grade in a separate classroom for learning problems. He was diagnosed

> in " 99 when he was 2. I did the diet, no longer necessay because his

> gut is now healed. He was on nystatin for over a year to get rid of

> the yeast. Hopefully most of the lead is gone or will be so now I

> want to get rid of the mercury that's been there far too long.

>

> It takes several years for all of the lead to move out of the bones

> and brain. I suggest including DMSA at least once every month or two

> to get rid of the remaining lead.

>

> > I started chelating this Friday using 12.5mgs of ALA every 3

> hours and every 4 hours during the night. He's doing fine... He's 70

> pounds. I will be adding DMSA 12.5 mgs also the next round. I am

> chelating this weekend until tomorrow evening which will give him the

> 300 mgs of ALA over the course of the 3 days. I am planning to

> chelate every other weekend...with the same dosage, but would like to

> increase it up to 25 mgs of DMSA and ALA after a few rounds.

>

> A good rule of thumb is to increase dose by no more than 50% at

> one time. Doubling the dose can more than double the side effects.

> I suggest doing a few rounds at 16-18 mg before increasing to 25 mg.

>

> > How does that sound? I understand now that mercury is more

> likely to show in the stool than the urine after chelation. How many

> rounds should be done before a stool test can be done to see if

> anything is coming out?

>

> Urine and stool tests tend to be more confusing than helpful.

> Excretion is pretty random and you may see a lot coming out if

> you pick the right day, and nothing much coming out otherwise.

>

> --

>

> > I appreciate your time...Beth

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I just was looking it up at vitamin research products and there were a few

cautions. Just want to make sure she new in case they apply to her. I pasted and

copied. I am sure most people would not have a problem

Lithium orotate is 20 times more bio-active than other lithium salts, thereby

allowing the individual to take smaller amounts.* Each capsule provides 4.8 mg

of elemental lithium.

Recommended Dosage: one capsule twice per day with meals.

Product Cautions

Lithium should not be used by individuals with significant renal or

cardiovascular diseases, severe debilitation or dehydration, or sodium

depletion, and by individuals who are taking diuretics or ACE inhibitors.

Consult your doctor before use if you are taking anti-hypertensive drugs,

anti-inflammatory drugs, analgesic drugs or insulin. Lithium should not be used

by pregnant women and breast-feeding mothers.

[ ] Re: or anyone - Christos' Hair Test and

Chelation questions

I am not sure what you refer to when you suggest it is not good under

certain conditions?

From what I have read, I feel it is safe, especially for people who

are low. It is not like lithium carbonate, the prescription form of

lithium, which requires much higher doses to achieve benefits and as

a result requires careful monitoring for toxicity. I believe the Rx

dose is something like 20 times higher than what is needed when using

the orotate.

--

> >

> > Hi ... I tried to reply to your post, but it didn't work...

> anyways...

> >

> > Christos doesn't have amalgams, no recent vaccinations, occasional

> tuna. I was using glutithione and Authia cream, but have stopped...

> this could account for the high levels of mercury in his hair. I did

> chelation with Christos about 2 years ago for about 2 years working

> with a DAN doctor using the ALA 100 mgs and DMSA 100mgs every 8 hours

> 3 days on 11 days off...and lead came out as reflected in his urine

> tests, but the mercury didn't show up. I had to stop per the doctor

> because his zinc levels became too low per RBC tests we did

> periodically.

> >

> > Christos made good progress from his previous chelation for a

> child who had no words until he was nearly 5 years old, but I believe

> the mercury is still there getting in his way.

>

> The hair test strongly indicates a mercury problem. It is an all low

> test, meets counting rule 1. Kids with the all low pattern tend to

> benefit from interventions to improve digestion, such as betaine hcl

> and digestive enzymes with meals.

>

> A supplement of 5 mg lithium orotate is helpful when lithium is

> undetectable.

>

> > His most recent neuropsy visit puts him in the 2nd grade level for

> reading and math...still severe language disorder. He's in the 5th

> grade in a separate classroom for learning problems. He was diagnosed

> in " 99 when he was 2. I did the diet, no longer necessay because his

> gut is now healed. He was on nystatin for over a year to get rid of

> the yeast. Hopefully most of the lead is gone or will be so now I

> want to get rid of the mercury that's been there far too long.

>

> It takes several years for all of the lead to move out of the bones

> and brain. I suggest including DMSA at least once every month or two

> to get rid of the remaining lead.

>

> > I started chelating this Friday using 12.5mgs of ALA every 3

> hours and every 4 hours during the night. He's doing fine... He's 70

> pounds. I will be adding DMSA 12.5 mgs also the next round. I am

> chelating this weekend until tomorrow evening which will give him the

> 300 mgs of ALA over the course of the 3 days. I am planning to

> chelate every other weekend...with the same dosage, but would like to

> increase it up to 25 mgs of DMSA and ALA after a few rounds.

>

> A good rule of thumb is to increase dose by no more than 50% at

> one time. Doubling the dose can more than double the side effects.

> I suggest doing a few rounds at 16-18 mg before increasing to 25 mg.

>

> > How does that sound? I understand now that mercury is more

> likely to show in the stool than the urine after chelation. How many

> rounds should be done before a stool test can be done to see if

> anything is coming out?

>

> Urine and stool tests tend to be more confusing than helpful.

> Excretion is pretty random and you may see a lot coming out if

> you pick the right day, and nothing much coming out otherwise.

>

> --

>

> > I appreciate your time...Beth

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks ... for your time and thoroughness... Beth

Largey <l.largey@...> wrote: I just was looking it up at

vitamin research products and there were a few cautions. Just want to make sure

she new in case they apply to her. I pasted and copied. I am sure most people

would not have a problem

Lithium orotate is 20 times more bio-active than other lithium salts, thereby

allowing the individual to take smaller amounts.* Each capsule provides 4.8 mg

of elemental lithium.

Recommended Dosage: one capsule twice per day with meals.

Product Cautions

Lithium should not be used by individuals with significant renal or

cardiovascular diseases, severe debilitation or dehydration, or sodium

depletion, and by individuals who are taking diuretics or ACE inhibitors.

Consult your doctor before use if you are taking anti-hypertensive drugs,

anti-inflammatory drugs, analgesic drugs or insulin. Lithium should not be used

by pregnant women and breast-feeding mothers.

[ ] Re: or anyone - Christos' Hair Test and

Chelation questions

I am not sure what you refer to when you suggest it is not good under

certain conditions?

From what I have read, I feel it is safe, especially for people who

are low. It is not like lithium carbonate, the prescription form of

lithium, which requires much higher doses to achieve benefits and as

a result requires careful monitoring for toxicity. I believe the Rx

dose is something like 20 times higher than what is needed when using

the orotate.

--

> >

> > Hi ... I tried to reply to your post, but it didn't work...

> anyways...

> >

> > Christos doesn't have amalgams, no recent vaccinations, occasional

> tuna. I was using glutithione and Authia cream, but have stopped...

> this could account for the high levels of mercury in his hair. I did

> chelation with Christos about 2 years ago for about 2 years working

> with a DAN doctor using the ALA 100 mgs and DMSA 100mgs every 8 hours

> 3 days on 11 days off...and lead came out as reflected in his urine

> tests, but the mercury didn't show up. I had to stop per the doctor

> because his zinc levels became too low per RBC tests we did

> periodically.

> >

> > Christos made good progress from his previous chelation for a

> child who had no words until he was nearly 5 years old, but I believe

> the mercury is still there getting in his way.

>

> The hair test strongly indicates a mercury problem. It is an all low

> test, meets counting rule 1. Kids with the all low pattern tend to

> benefit from interventions to improve digestion, such as betaine hcl

> and digestive enzymes with meals.

>

> A supplement of 5 mg lithium orotate is helpful when lithium is

> undetectable.

>

> > His most recent neuropsy visit puts him in the 2nd grade level for

> reading and math...still severe language disorder. He's in the 5th

> grade in a separate classroom for learning problems. He was diagnosed

> in " 99 when he was 2. I did the diet, no longer necessay because his

> gut is now healed. He was on nystatin for over a year to get rid of

> the yeast. Hopefully most of the lead is gone or will be so now I

> want to get rid of the mercury that's been there far too long.

>

> It takes several years for all of the lead to move out of the bones

> and brain. I suggest including DMSA at least once every month or two

> to get rid of the remaining lead.

>

> > I started chelating this Friday using 12.5mgs of ALA every 3

> hours and every 4 hours during the night. He's doing fine... He's 70

> pounds. I will be adding DMSA 12.5 mgs also the next round. I am

> chelating this weekend until tomorrow evening which will give him the

> 300 mgs of ALA over the course of the 3 days. I am planning to

> chelate every other weekend...with the same dosage, but would like to

> increase it up to 25 mgs of DMSA and ALA after a few rounds.

>

> A good rule of thumb is to increase dose by no more than 50% at

> one time. Doubling the dose can more than double the side effects.

> I suggest doing a few rounds at 16-18 mg before increasing to 25 mg.

>

> > How does that sound? I understand now that mercury is more

> likely to show in the stool than the urine after chelation. How many

> rounds should be done before a stool test can be done to see if

> anything is coming out?

>

> Urine and stool tests tend to be more confusing than helpful.

> Excretion is pretty random and you may see a lot coming out if

> you pick the right day, and nothing much coming out otherwise.

>

> --

>

> > I appreciate your time...Beth

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I believe there is no actual evidence that lithium orotate is a

problem in these conditions, but better safe than sorry.

It is worth considering the risks of deficiency, too. Lithium

probably is an essential nutrient, although not yet officially

designated as such, and deficiency can cause behavioral problems

that can be corrected with supplementation.

--

> > >

> > > Hi ... I tried to reply to your post, but it didn't work...

> > anyways...

> > >

> > > Christos doesn't have amalgams, no recent vaccinations, occasional

> > tuna. I was using glutithione and Authia cream, but have stopped...

> > this could account for the high levels of mercury in his hair. I did

> > chelation with Christos about 2 years ago for about 2 years working

> > with a DAN doctor using the ALA 100 mgs and DMSA 100mgs every 8 hours

> > 3 days on 11 days off...and lead came out as reflected in his urine

> > tests, but the mercury didn't show up. I had to stop per the doctor

> > because his zinc levels became too low per RBC tests we did

> > periodically.

> > >

> > > Christos made good progress from his previous chelation for a

> > child who had no words until he was nearly 5 years old, but I believe

> > the mercury is still there getting in his way.

> >

> > The hair test strongly indicates a mercury problem. It is an all low

> > test, meets counting rule 1. Kids with the all low pattern tend to

> > benefit from interventions to improve digestion, such as betaine hcl

> > and digestive enzymes with meals.

> >

> > A supplement of 5 mg lithium orotate is helpful when lithium is

> > undetectable.

> >

> > > His most recent neuropsy visit puts him in the 2nd grade level for

> > reading and math...still severe language disorder. He's in the 5th

> > grade in a separate classroom for learning problems. He was diagnosed

> > in " 99 when he was 2. I did the diet, no longer necessay because his

> > gut is now healed. He was on nystatin for over a year to get rid of

> > the yeast. Hopefully most of the lead is gone or will be so now I

> > want to get rid of the mercury that's been there far too long.

> >

> > It takes several years for all of the lead to move out of the bones

> > and brain. I suggest including DMSA at least once every month or two

> > to get rid of the remaining lead.

> >

> > > I started chelating this Friday using 12.5mgs of ALA every 3

> > hours and every 4 hours during the night. He's doing fine... He's 70

> > pounds. I will be adding DMSA 12.5 mgs also the next round. I am

> > chelating this weekend until tomorrow evening which will give him the

> > 300 mgs of ALA over the course of the 3 days. I am planning to

> > chelate every other weekend...with the same dosage, but would like to

> > increase it up to 25 mgs of DMSA and ALA after a few rounds.

> >

> > A good rule of thumb is to increase dose by no more than 50% at

> > one time. Doubling the dose can more than double the side effects.

> > I suggest doing a few rounds at 16-18 mg before increasing to 25 mg.

> >

> > > How does that sound? I understand now that mercury is more

> > likely to show in the stool than the urine after chelation. How many

> > rounds should be done before a stool test can be done to see if

> > anything is coming out?

> >

> > Urine and stool tests tend to be more confusing than helpful.

> > Excretion is pretty random and you may see a lot coming out if

> > you pick the right day, and nothing much coming out otherwise.

> >

> > --

> >

> > > I appreciate your time...Beth

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >