Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/4MeIR9iTgwuGPW1HvJi6HL9ODrnhsoq_STf1fwF9xpcYTPd5Ios\ R2EDoEbvsTPMpY-XOWlMKzBc3WmpuvNZAxE_qiqiLUoXybfEEGBWzSot36fk8Sn3Z/Andy_protocol AJNDY wrote: It is necessary to have skip periods to avoid increasing body levels of copper and zinc too much as ALA inhibits their excretion. Chelating for 3 days and the 2 intervening nights conclusion: ALA already cuaes an uptake of Zinc so adding extra Zinc could be dangerous. too much Zinc can be highly detremental; inclduing " loss of taste and or smell @ (peopole who use the oral nasal cold spary called zicam which is Zinc can lose their smell/taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 It is necessary to have skip periods to avoid increasing body levels of copper and > zinc too much as ALA inhibits their excretion. Chelating for 3 days and the 2 intervening nights > incorrect conclusion, that is: > conclusion: ALA already cuaes an uptake of Zinc so adding extra Zinc could be dangerous. ALA inhibits its excretion, it does not improve uptake. Read the above quote again. That suggestion was based on doing calculations using conservative assumptions based on the data of Gregus et al. (a paper every pseudointellectual on the internet seems to cite at me as if I hadn't read it, when all they have read is the abstract). Since writing Amalgam Illness I've seen enough results with people in practical situations to realize that my calculations were overly conservative and this appears not to be a significant concern in most situations. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 We are currently supplementing zinc whilst giving ALA and oral DMSA. Would it be wise to stop the zinc during the three days/ 2 nights on? [ ] Re: Andy Cutler - mercury detox protocol It is necessary to have skip periods to avoid increasing body levels of copper and > zinc too much as ALA inhibits their excretion. Chelating for 3 days and the 2 intervening nights > incorrect conclusion, that is: > conclusion: ALA already cuaes an uptake of Zinc so adding extra Zinc could be dangerous. ALA inhibits its excretion, it does not improve uptake. Read the above quote again. That suggestion was based on doing calculations using conservative assumptions based on the data of Gregus et al. (a paper every pseudointellectual on the internet seems to cite at me as if I hadn't read it, when all they have read is the abstract). Since writing Amalgam Illness I've seen enough results with people in practical situations to realize that my calculations were overly conservative and this appears not to be a significant concern in most situations. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Andy thank you for saying your calulations were off; becausse if you say ALA inhibits the excretion of Zinc znc Copper(bothe of which are essential nutrient minerals); then how could ALA excrete Mercury; doe you mean; Alpha Lipoic Acie chelates only Mercury and not Zinc and /or Copper? Copper is an extremely important mineral; found in mushrooms; .--- In , " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > It is necessary to have skip periods to avoid increasing body levels of > copper and > > zinc too much as ALA inhibits their excretion. Chelating for 3 days and the 2 intervening > nights > > > > incorrect conclusion, that is: > > > conclusion: ALA already cuaes an uptake of Zinc so adding extra Zinc could be > dangerous. > > ALA inhibits its excretion, it does not improve uptake. Read the above quote again. > > That suggestion was based on doing calculations using conservative assumptions based > on the data of Gregus et al. (a paper every pseudointellectual on the internet seems to cite > at me as if I hadn't read it, when all they have read is the abstract). Since writing Amalgam > Illness I've seen enough results with people in practical situations to realize that my > calculations were overly conservative and this appears not to be a significant concern in > most situations. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 > > incorrect conclusion, that is: > > > conclusion: ALA already cuaes an uptake of Zinc so adding extra Zinc could be > dangerous. > > ALA inhibits its excretion, it does not improve uptake. Read the above quote again. > > That suggestion was based on doing calculations using conservative assumptions based > on the data of Gregus et al. (a paper every pseudointellectual on the internet seems to cite > at me as if I hadn't read it, when all they have read is the abstract). Since writing Amalgam > Illness I've seen enough results with people in practical situations to realize that my > calculations were overly conservative and this appears not to be a significant concern in > most situations. > > Andy -------------------------------- Sorry the above info is confusing. Is it safe to supplement with high amount of zinc while chelating with ALA? Yes or No ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 , Do us all a favor and get hold of a copy of Amalgam Illness. It talks about a lot of stuff, including how ALA does inhibit copper excretion in most individuals. There is information on this in the archives at www.onibasu.com as well. If you need help learning to search onibasu, let me know. I would be happy to help. Anne , It is necessary to have skip periods to avoid > increasing body levels of > > copper and > > > zinc too much as ALA inhibits their excretion. Chelating for 3 > days and the 2 intervening > > nights > > > > > > > incorrect conclusion, that is: > > > > > conclusion: ALA already cuaes an uptake of Zinc so adding extra > Zinc could be > > dangerous. > > > > ALA inhibits its excretion, it does not improve uptake. Read the > above quote again. > > > > That suggestion was based on doing calculations using conservative > assumptions based > > on the data of Gregus et al. (a paper every pseudointellectual on > the internet seems to cite > > at me as if I hadn't read it, when all they have read is the > abstract). Since writing Amalgam > > Illness I've seen enough results with people in practical > situations to realize that my > > calculations were overly conservative and this appears not to be a > significant concern in > > most situations. > > > > Andy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 AMEN! --- anneecbrynn <anneecbrynn@...> wrote: > , > > Do us all a favor and get hold of a copy of Amalgam > Illness. It > talks about a lot of stuff, including how ALA does > inhibit copper > excretion in most individuals. There is information > on this in the > archives at www.onibasu.com as well. If you need > help learning to > search onibasu, let me know. I would be happy to > help. > > Anne > > , It is necessary to have skip > periods to avoid > > increasing body levels of > > > copper and > > > > zinc too much as ALA inhibits their excretion. > Chelating for 3 > > days and the 2 intervening > > > nights > > > > > > > > > > incorrect conclusion, that is: > > > > > > > conclusion: ALA already cuaes an uptake of > Zinc so adding extra > > Zinc could be > > > dangerous. > > > > > > ALA inhibits its excretion, it does not improve > uptake. Read the > > above quote again. > > > > > > That suggestion was based on doing calculations > using > conservative > > assumptions based > > > on the data of Gregus et al. (a paper every > pseudointellectual on > > the internet seems to cite > > > at me as if I hadn't read it, when all they have > read is the > > abstract). Since writing Amalgam > > > Illness I've seen enough results with people in > practical > > situations to realize that my > > > calculations were overly conservative and this > appears not to be > a > > significant concern in > > > most situations. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Anne you may have been right; there is alot to Alpha Lipoic Acid; however my stance is this there is a lot to chelating and getting cured of Autism than just ALA and DMSA and DMPS. There are literllay hundreds of herbs; nutrients; vitamins; foods that all chealte and excrete bad stuff and uptake good stuff. for example; just FIBER alone binds to and excetets toxins and metsls so the whole progrma is about food and diet; not just AlA et al. the ohter probkem with chelating is: chelating dpeltles nutrients. no clear instructions are givne when to add supplements or dosages. I looked up the Vitamin B Complex instructions of the fies says pop a b complex pill 3 or 4 times a day...no dosages or anythign. It is necessary to have skip periods to avoid > > increasing body levels of > > > copper and > > > > zinc too much as ALA inhibits their excretion. Chelating for 3 > > days and the 2 intervening > > > nights > > > > > > > > > > incorrect conclusion, that is: > > > > > > > conclusion: ALA already cuaes an uptake of Zinc so adding extra > > Zinc could be > > > dangerous. > > > > > > ALA inhibits its excretion, it does not improve uptake. Read the > > above quote again. > > > > > > That suggestion was based on doing calculations using > conservative > > assumptions based > > > on the data of Gregus et al. (a paper every pseudointellectual on > > the internet seems to cite > > > at me as if I hadn't read it, when all they have read is the > > abstract). Since writing Amalgam > > > Illness I've seen enough results with people in practical > > situations to realize that my > > > calculations were overly conservative and this appears not to be > a > > significant concern in > > > most situations. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 I'm not going to argue this in detail, but as you picked fibre as your alternative chelator - Fibre does not get adsorbed into the body in all appreciable amounts. Therefore, it cannot detox the poisons within cells. Instead, it works only on the contents of your GI tract. So it's nowhere near as effective as DMSA or ALA which adsorb into the body and pull metals in a controlled manner. It is necessary to have skip periods to avoid > > > increasing body levels of > > > > copper and > > > > > zinc too much as ALA inhibits their excretion. Chelating for > 3 > > > days and the 2 intervening > > > > nights > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect conclusion, that is: > > > > > > > > > conclusion: ALA already cuaes an uptake of Zinc so adding > extra > > > Zinc could be > > > > dangerous. > > > > > > > > ALA inhibits its excretion, it does not improve uptake. Read > the > > > above quote again. > > > > > > > > That suggestion was based on doing calculations using > > conservative > > > assumptions based > > > > on the data of Gregus et al. (a paper every pseudointellectual > on > > > the internet seems to cite > > > > at me as if I hadn't read it, when all they have read is the > > > abstract). Since writing Amalgam > > > > Illness I've seen enough results with people in practical > > > situations to realize that my > > > > calculations were overly conservative and this appears not to > be > > a > > > significant concern in > > > > most situations. > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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