Sunscreen

[Guest guest]

We only use sunscreen when burn is a danger - like right now the two

youngest are working painting a ranch fence and sometimes can't get in

from the sun. If they are in direct sun more than an hour they don the

sunscreen to keep from burning. Studies show there is less skin cancer

in the southern states than in the north where sun exposure is limited.

Other studies, which I don't have the time to go find and post right now

show that it is limited sun exposure that causes skin cancer due to

vitamin D deficiency. Lot about it on Mercola. I think Jordan Reuben

may have some studies posted somewhere you can look at. While Dr.

Mercola says that sunscreen blocks Vit D absorption, Jordan Reuben says

that anything stronger than SPF 15 blocks Vit D. So, if you do need

sunscreen because you can't get out of the sun, then I'd go no stronger

than that. Otherwise, we just get out of the sun during peak hours if

possible. BTW peak hours vary by location. All the ads say 10-2, but

in our area it is 2-5 that are the most direct sun. It will depend on

where you are in your time zone.

royceabrams wrote:

>

> Both my daughters do not burn or get any color in the sun. One has an

> ASD diagnosis, the other is NT. I've always wondered if putting on

> sunscreen was still important to prevent skin cancer...

>

> If they are unaffected by sun, it would save lots of time and money to

> do away with sunscreen at least until they need it.

>

> Any ideas about this?

>

>

[Guest guest]

We do this too. Sunscreen is only applied when very high and

prolonged sun exposure is going to happen. So maybe 1X/week for an

afternoon swim party or long bicycle trip we apply it to exposed skin

only. For things like the morning playdate or early evening swim, we

don't use it. We do use a nice wide brimmed hat a lot in the summer

and try to stay out of the sun mid-day.

(Max's Mom)

> >

> > Both my daughters do not burn or get any color in the sun. One

has an

> > ASD diagnosis, the other is NT. I've always wondered if putting on

> > sunscreen was still important to prevent skin cancer...

> >

> > If they are unaffected by sun, it would save lots of time and

money to

> > do away with sunscreen at least until they need it.

> >

> > Any ideas about this?

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I try and avoid sunscreen too, though if my kids are at the beach

(very salty environment) in the middle of an Australian summer, the

sunscreen will prevent burning.

Salty water on skin in the sun is akin to basting the chook in the

oven, so there is a place for these things - though it is too late

for the chicken (LOL).

Creams with zinc oxide look radical but cut out the burning. Have

also read that high Vit E intake minimises burning, though can't

quote a reference.

na

>

> We do this too. Sunscreen is only applied when very high and

> prolonged sun exposure is going to happen. So maybe 1X/week for an

> afternoon swim party or long bicycle trip we apply it to exposed

skin

> only.

[Guest guest]

My son stays pretty white as well. I looked at some past pictures when

my son was one years old before this all happened and he had great

coloring back then. Now he is pretty pale and white. I skip sunscreen

for the most part as well and try to stay out of it during the peak

hours. If I could find a natural one I might consider but he seems to

not need it to much. I have always wondered also what this is???

Kay

[Guest guest]

>

> My child also doesn't get much colour in the sun. Why is that? Is this

> something that needs correcting?

My son was also like this. Very pale but would not colour at all in

the sun. He tans now. We've done many, many interventions, and so I

can't say for sure what changed things. But I do know that his

inability to tan at all before was a sign his body was deficient in

some, probably many things. I also noticed that by giving my son extra

vitamin D, beyond even what was in the CLO he's received in high doses

for the last three years, gave him a sunnier disposition. I think lots

of kids (not just ASD kids) are deficient in Vitamin D.

Anita

[Guest guest]

My DD doesn't tan from the neck up. She is several shades lighter on

her face than her body. Very pale, very odd. I'm convinced that it

has something to do with ASD. I was checking out my new Kirkman's

2008 product catalogue and came across a comment on tyrosine. It says

that " Tyrosine becomes " dopa " , dopamine, noradrenalin, part of

thyroglobulin (the part that attaches iodine), and it helps form

melanin, a pigment or coloring substance in body tissues. " Not sure

if this has anything to do with what we are seeing, but thought that

I'd mention it.

As for sun screens, I recently read about oxybenzone in sun screens

and don't use them. Check out this article . . .

CDC Finds 97 Percent of Americans Contaminated by Sunscreens

http://www.naturalnews.com/022990.html

>

> Both my daughters do not burn or get any color in the sun. One has

an

> ASD diagnosis, the other is NT. I've always wondered if putting on

> sunscreen was still important to prevent skin cancer...

>

> If they are unaffected by sun, it would save lots of time and money

to

> do away with sunscreen at least until they need it.

>

> Any ideas about this?

>

[Guest guest]

Is it possible that not tanning is about needing extra Vit D? A bit hazy on the

details here, but I think I read that tanning comes from the body producing

melanin which is our natural protection from making too much Vitamin D.

So either the body needs more Vit D or there's something happening to block the

production of melanin. Phenylalanine and Tyrosine are part of the melanin

picture. Tyrosinase catalyzes the conversion of L-Dopa to Dopaquinone (a

precursor for the endogenous production of Melanin). Copper is involved because

it is incoperated into tyrosinase.

Nothing conclusive, just a few things I've read,

Gail.

@...: knorgren@...: Sat, 24 May 2008

23:15:30 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: Sunscreen

My son stays pretty white as well. I looked at some past pictures when my son

was one years old before this all happened and he had great coloring back then.

Now he is pretty pale and white. I skip sunscreen for the most part as well and

try to stay out of it during the peak hours. If I could find a natural one I

might consider but he seems to not need it to much. I have always wondered also

what this is???Kay

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[Guest guest]

Pyroluria, maybe...inability to tan/burn is linked to this. Did a

quick google/ search - goodish basic overview at this link...

http://drkaslow.com/html/pyroluria.html

I did find alot of good answers thru the pyroluria connections, even

though I can't say whether we might or might not

be " pyroluric. " ..is this a word??lol...Deficiencies of B6 aqnd

zinc figure into this connection...

wishing all the best answers

elizabeth

ps. Just noting that we avoid all sunscreens at my house (on general

principle(s) ....use the gradual exposure to sun method - been

working on that this spring ...and, on a more personal note -

happy dance, This Year, my daughter has a sunburn - amazes me still

what I find warrants celebrating. Last year - no burns,no tans -

continually pale regardless of exposure...this year (that would be

this past weekend, lol), she was outside alot & has a (minor)

sunburn...and I celebrate

[Guest guest]

Congrats on the sunburn. :-)

If you want to treat it so it heals faster, apple juice and salt

water are great stuff: http://healthgazelle.org/burnbalm.shtml

My son wcf and I are noticing that we are tanning this year, kind

of " for the first time ever " . We have always been hopelessly pale.

I have long made jokes that " I have three shades: white, off-white,

and lobster red. " I don't know what specifically caused the change,

but I was quite surprised.

I really should go to bed soon (it's nearly 3am). But it's the

first time in weeks I've had much energy or mental focus for surfing

some of my groups.

>

> Pyroluria, maybe...inability to tan/burn is linked to this. Did a

> quick google/ search - goodish basic overview at this link...

>

> http://drkaslow.com/html/pyroluria.html

>

> I did find alot of good answers thru the pyroluria connections,

even

> though I can't say whether we might or might not

> be " pyroluric. " ..is this a word??lol...Deficiencies of B6 aqnd

> zinc figure into this connection...

>

> wishing all the best answers

> elizabeth

>

> ps. Just noting that we avoid all sunscreens at my house (on

general

> principle(s) ....use the gradual exposure to sun method -

been

> working on that this spring ...and, on a more personal note -

> happy dance, This Year, my daughter has a sunburn - amazes me

still

> what I find warrants celebrating. Last year - no burns,no tans -

> continually pale regardless of exposure...this year (that would be

> this past weekend, lol), she was outside alot & has a (minor)

> sunburn...and I celebrate

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Hello Bee,

> > >

> > > I understand that you do not recommend wearing sunscreen and that you

recommend wearing coconut oil instead. You also say that it is important not to

burn.

> > > I have very fair skin and burn easily without a high sunscreen. Please can

you explain how I can avoid burning by using coconut oil? Is the oil not just

going to help fry my skin? I also have several moles on my chest and back and I

am very wary about not protecting my skin properly - avoiding being out in the

sun is not an option. Please explain your theories behind using CO and not

sunscreen, and what I should as a fairskinned person.

> > >

> > > Thank you once again for your help,

> > >

> >

>

>

> Hi

>

> this is Marisa. I just wanted to share with you my experience with coconut oil

as sunscreen. I live in a very very very warm country where the sun is really

burning. I enjoy the sun probably more than I should. I can stay for hours at

the beach without any protection, and I don't burn using coconut oil. it is

working great for me. I think you should try using it.

>

>

> Marisa

>

Thanks Marisa and Neal for your replies, I would still like to hear Bee's

thoughts on this issue though as I have tried the coconut oil only and have

burnt after not much sun exposure... maybe I just need to take it extra slowly

to build up but I am worried about burning again and what this could do to my

skin.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello Bee,

>

> I understand that you do not recommend wearing sunscreen and that you

recommend wearing coconut oil instead. You also say that it is important not to

burn.

> I have very fair skin and burn easily without a high sunscreen. Please can you

explain how I can avoid burning by using coconut oil? Is the oil not just going

to help fry my skin? I also have several moles on my chest and back and I am

very wary about not protecting my skin properly - avoiding being out in the sun

is not an option. Please explain your theories behind using CO and not

sunscreen, and what I should as a fairskinned person.

+++Hi . You need to gradually expose your skin to the sun so you do not

burn.

Sunscreen doesn't protect your skin; it damages it! Also when the cell

membranes aren't made out of 50% saturated fat like nature intended, it makes

them more vulnerable to being damaged by the sun.

Coconut oil won't fry your skin; it helps protect it!

Bee

[Guest guest]

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From: le Handy <kndplus2@...>

Date: Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Subject: sunscreen

CaliforniaLyme

what type/brands of sunscreen have you all found works good to protect our

skin. i tan very easily and find that i already am getting white spots and

dark blotches on my arms and shoulders (along with tanning) and it isn't

even summer yet! i am assuming this is from the antibiotics???i am open to

any brand but am looking into the sunscreens that are in the health food

stores more, but do they protect just as well?

thanks!

danielle

[Guest guest]

Go to the Environmental Working Group website and search sunscreen. It turns out

alot on the common market have elements in them that negatively affect hormones

etc.  I am still looking myself as I don;'t want to spend alot. Doug

From: le Handy <kndplus2@...>

Subject: [ ] Fwd: sunscreen

Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 5:49 PM

 

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From: le Handy <kndplus2gmail (DOT) com>

Date: Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM

Subject: sunscreen

CaliforniaLyme

what type/brands of sunscreen have you all found works good to protect our

skin. i tan very easily and find that i already am getting white spots and

dark blotches on my arms and shoulders (along with tanning) and it isn't

even summer yet! i am assuming this is from the antibiotics? ??i am open to

any brand but am looking into the sunscreens that are in the health food

stores more, but do they protect just as well?

thanks!

danielle

[Guest guest]

I will ask my dermatologist when I see her today although I just bought

neutrogena for my son due to his acne...claims to not clog pores, etc.

Warning for all....PLEASE get yourself checked by a dermatologist...I was at my

son's appt. and mentioned a freckle that changed its shape (not raised or

suspicous looking at all...just a freckle!)...long story short-it was malignant

melanoma, one of the most deadly types of skin cancer if not caught in

time-thankfully they got mine out right away although I had to go to a plastic

surgeon and now have quite a large scar on my upper arm...then I sent my sister

to her and she has basil cell...they took the biopsy yesterday and are testing

it now...this all just happened in the last month and I would never have known

if I hadn't said something at my son's acne appt!

I don't know how many of you grew up when I did, before the days of sunscreen,

when we used baby oil and dark tanning oil to get a nice tan...they say it's the

bad burn you got when you were young that comes back to get you...i just

recommend everyone get checked after my experience. robin c

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> From: le Handy <kndplus2@...>

> Date: Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM

> Subject: sunscreen

> CaliforniaLyme

>

>

> what type/brands of sunscreen have you all found works good to protect our

> skin. i tan very easily and find that i already am getting white spots and

> dark blotches on my arms and shoulders (along with tanning) and it isn't

> even summer yet! i am assuming this is from the antibiotics???i am open to

> any brand but am looking into the sunscreens that are in the health food

> stores more, but do they protect just as well?

> thanks!

> danielle

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A safe, nontoxic brand of sunscreen is California Baby.

http://www.californiababy.com/spf-suncare.html

Most Target stores sell it.

Heidi

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> From: le Handy <kndplus2@...>

> Date: Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:48 PM

> Subject: sunscreen

> CaliforniaLyme

>

>

> what type/brands of sunscreen have you all found works good to protect our

> skin. i tan very easily and find that i already am getting white spots and

> dark blotches on my arms and shoulders (along with tanning) and it isn't

> even summer yet! i am assuming this is from the antibiotics???i am open to

> any brand but am looking into the sunscreens that are in the health food

> stores more, but do they protect just as well?

> thanks!

> danielle

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Check out Vanicream. They make a great sunscreen free of everything.

[Guest guest]

From: JudyHorowitz@...

Subject: [ ] Re: Fwd: sunscreen

> Check out Vanicream.

Thanks for sending us that name. It looks as though it would work well, with

both zinc oxide and titanium dioxide for sun screening..

>They make a great sunscreen free of everything.

Erm, the Vanicream I saw had all this in it...doesn't look very *free* in my

understanding.

~~

http://www.psico.com/products/vani_sunscreen.cfm

Active Ingredients

SPF 30: titanium dioxide 5%, zinc oxide 5%

SPF 60: titanium dioxide 7.5%, zinc oxide 7.5%

Inactive ingredients:

alumina, C12-15 alkyl benzoate, caprylic/capric triglyceride, cetearyl

isononanoate, cetyl alcohol, isopropyl titanium

triisostearate/triethoxycaprylylsilane crosspolymer, magnesium sulfate,

methylpropanediol, PEG-12 dimethicone, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate, phenyl

trimethicone, polyethylene, polyhydroxystearic acid, purified water, sodium

ascorbyl phosphate, stearyl dimethicone, tetrasodium EDTA, tocopheryl acetate,

triethoxycaprylylsilane

~~

I could be wrong about the purity of the product, but that seems like a whole

load of chemicals to me.

Others, though, may have a better understanding of those dozen or more

chemicals.

Blue