Re: please help with histamines

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

> I recently read a posting re: high vs. low histamine children and I

> have some questions.

> My son is a blood type A (which was mentioned as having a problem

> sequestering copper),

The blood type superstition is irrelevant to any reality for heavy metal

problems or autism.

> tested somewhat high in copper in the blood back

> in 2002,

Like 100% of children with a mercury problem will.

> and he fits many of the characteristics of a low histamine

> child (hyperactive, unnaturally healthy, constantly active, short

> attention span) yet he can be very obsessive as described in the high

> histamine child. In fact, I think that is his biggest issue at this

> point.

Low histamine people sit around like a bump on a log. Low arousal, low

awareness, low

motivation.

> When he last had some major urine testing done in 2005, many

> levels were too low: taurine,serine,valine, methionine, isoleucine,

> leucine, phenylalanine, ornithine, lysine, 1-methylhistadine,

> histadine, 3-Methylhistadine, carnosine and arginine.

Testing in what media? Urine amino acid tests are not useful or informative.

> However, the

> blood work that was also done at that time showed these levels to be

> within normal range. Could someone help me interpret this?

The blood work is accurate.

>I thought

> that high histamines correlated with low methionine and you would

> supplement to correct this.

Some mentally ill people think they have histamine problems and have a lot of

psychotic

delusions about its physiologic effects. Unfortunately these have gotten mixed

up with

real medical concepts in this field and laymen get confused.

>Thanks!!

> Laurie

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Andy for your responses. Here are my answers to your

questions.

Laurie

> >

> > Hi,

> > I recently read a posting re: high vs. low histamine children

and I

> > have some questions.

> > My son is a blood type A (which was mentioned as having a

problem

> > sequestering copper),

>

> The blood type superstition is irrelevant to any reality for heavy

metal problems or autism.

>

> > tested somewhat high in copper in the blood back

> > in 2002,

>

> Like 100% of children with a mercury problem will.

>

> > and he fits many of the characteristics of a low histamine

> > child (hyperactive, unnaturally healthy, constantly active,

short

> > attention span) yet he can be very obsessive as described in the

high

> > histamine child. In fact, I think that is his biggest issue at

this

> > point.

>

> Low histamine people sit around like a bump on a log. Low

arousal, low awareness, low

> motivation.

He is definitely not that!!

>

> > When he last had some major urine testing done in 2005,

many

> > levels were too low: taurine,serine,valine, methionine,

isoleucine,

> > leucine, phenylalanine, ornithine, lysine, 1-methylhistadine,

> > histadine, 3-Methylhistadine, carnosine and arginine.

>

> Testing in what media? Urine amino acid tests are not useful or

informative.

The testing was done by a neurologist at the Cleveland Clinic. He

is a Metabolic specialist and does not buy into the biomedical

theories that we all believe in. I was just having him tested for

metabolic issues. It was called an Amino Acids Quant UR and the

testing was performed at the lab at the Cleveland Clinic. Also done

was an Organic Acid quad UR and that one was performed by the

Kennedy Krieger Institute

>

> > However, the

> > blood work that was also done at that time showed these levels

to be

> > within normal range. Could someone help me interpret this?

>

> The blood work is accurate.

>

> >I thought

> > that high histamines correlated with low methionine and you

would

> > supplement to correct this.

>

> Some mentally ill people think they have histamine problems and

have a lot of psychotic

> delusions about its physiologic effects. Unfortunately these have

gotten mixed up with

> real medical concepts in this field and laymen get confused.

Is it fair to say from your response that this is not an issue that

I should pursue?? Do you think that Inositol could help with the

obsessiveness?

>

> >Thanks!!

> > Laurie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My son is a high histamine kid. Methionine is one of the supplements

that has made a huge difference in his ability to 'control' the

behaviors that high histamines cause. We checked for the histadine

levels in the blood. The first test we did, my son was a 95 on a

range of 40-70 being normal. The second test -when his behaviors went

out of control-we saw his histamines increase to 154 with the same

reference range. We noticed his behaviors decrease alongside his

histamine levels.

As we control his histamines (allergy season for us used to be worse

than yeast and bacteria combined), we eliminate his symptoms such as

sneezing, itching, explosive anger, rashes, violent and very

inappropriate behaviors towards others, OCD and anxiety. While I

believe that the heavy metals and viral overload created the

situation, it doesn't eliminate the need for it to be treated. We do

notice as we have continued to decrease his toxic burden, support his

organs and immune system, allergy season no longer brings about a

child who would kiss you one minute and tell you he was going to

shoot you and make you bloody the next (at 6 years old!). When he

did have the more severe histamine issues, methionine was a Godsend.

We still use it, as needed. We have also used high dose inositol to

decrease his OCD. But I found that he needed the methionine as

well. My son didn't do well with MB12 or folic acid (in

anything!). He does do well with B6, TMG (to decrease

homocysteine), aloe vera, methionine, inositol, among others.

Just my experience.

TamiW

Gavin's mom

>

> Hi,

> I recently read a posting re: high vs. low histamine children and

I

> have some questions.

> My son is a blood type A (which was mentioned as having a

problem

> sequestering copper), tested somewhat high in copper in the blood

back

> in 2002, and he fits many of the characteristics of a low histamine

> child (hyperactive, unnaturally healthy, constantly active, short

> attention span) yet he can be very obsessive as described in the

high

> histamine child. In fact, I think that is his biggest issue at

this

> point.

> When he last had some major urine testing done in 2005, many

> levels were too low: taurine,serine,valine, methionine,

isoleucine,

> leucine, phenylalanine, ornithine, lysine, 1-methylhistadine,

> histadine, 3-Methylhistadine, carnosine and arginine. However, the

> blood work that was also done at that time showed these levels to

be

> within normal range. Could someone help me interpret this? I

thought

> that high histamines correlated with low methionine and you would

> supplement to correct this. Thanks!!

> Laurie

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Tami,

In researching this issue, I happened across the adrenal cortex

extract. I am wondering if my son's issues are related to his

adrenal system. Have you gone that route at all?

Thanks,

Laurie

>

> My son is a high histamine kid. Methionine is one of the

supplements

> that has made a huge difference in his ability to 'control' the

> behaviors that high histamines cause. We checked for the

histadine

> levels in the blood. The first test we did, my son was a 95 on a

> range of 40-70 being normal. The second test -when his behaviors

went

> out of control-we saw his histamines increase to 154 with the same

> reference range. We noticed his behaviors decrease alongside his

> histamine levels.

>

> As we control his histamines (allergy season for us used to be

worse

> than yeast and bacteria combined), we eliminate his symptoms such

as

> sneezing, itching, explosive anger, rashes, violent and very

> inappropriate behaviors towards others, OCD and anxiety. While I

> believe that the heavy metals and viral overload created the

> situation, it doesn't eliminate the need for it to be treated. We

do

> notice as we have continued to decrease his toxic burden, support

his

> organs and immune system, allergy season no longer brings about a

> child who would kiss you one minute and tell you he was going to

> shoot you and make you bloody the next (at 6 years old!). When he

> did have the more severe histamine issues, methionine was a

Godsend.

> We still use it, as needed. We have also used high dose inositol

to

> decrease his OCD. But I found that he needed the methionine as

> well. My son didn't do well with MB12 or folic acid (in

> anything!). He does do well with B6, TMG (to decrease

> homocysteine), aloe vera, methionine, inositol, among others.

>

> Just my experience.

> TamiW

> Gavin's mom

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Laurie,

Yes we have. My son does well with the Adrenal Cortex Organic

Glandular. It helps to increase his focus and decrease OCD. We still

do need the other things as well.

Goodluck no matter what you try.

TamiW

Gavin's mom

> >

> > My son is a high histamine kid. Methionine is one of the

> supplements

> > that has made a huge difference in his ability to 'control' the

> > behaviors that high histamines cause. We checked for the

> histadine

> > levels in the blood. The first test we did, my son was a 95 on a

> > range of 40-70 being normal. The second test -when his behaviors

> went

> > out of control-we saw his histamines increase to 154 with the

same

> > reference range. We noticed his behaviors decrease alongside his

> > histamine levels.

> >

> > As we control his histamines (allergy season for us used to be

> worse

> > than yeast and bacteria combined), we eliminate his symptoms such

> as

> > sneezing, itching, explosive anger, rashes, violent and very

> > inappropriate behaviors towards others, OCD and anxiety. While I

> > believe that the heavy metals and viral overload created the

> > situation, it doesn't eliminate the need for it to be treated.

We

> do

> > notice as we have continued to decrease his toxic burden, support

> his

> > organs and immune system, allergy season no longer brings about a

> > child who would kiss you one minute and tell you he was going to

> > shoot you and make you bloody the next (at 6 years old!). When

he

> > did have the more severe histamine issues, methionine was a

> Godsend.

> > We still use it, as needed. We have also used high dose inositol

> to

> > decrease his OCD. But I found that he needed the methionine as

> > well. My son didn't do well with MB12 or folic acid (in

> > anything!). He does do well with B6, TMG (to decrease

> > homocysteine), aloe vera, methionine, inositol, among others.

> >

> > Just my experience.

> > TamiW

> > Gavin's mom

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tami,

Do you use the one from Nutricology? How much do you give? My son

is about 60lbs. Thanks!!

Laurie

> > >

> > > My son is a high histamine kid. Methionine is one of the

> > supplements

> > > that has made a huge difference in his ability to 'control'

the

> > > behaviors that high histamines cause. We checked for the

> > histadine

> > > levels in the blood. The first test we did, my son was a 95 on

a

> > > range of 40-70 being normal. The second test -when his

behaviors

> > went

> > > out of control-we saw his histamines increase to 154 with the

> same

> > > reference range. We noticed his behaviors decrease alongside

his

> > > histamine levels.

> > >

> > > As we control his histamines (allergy season for us used to be

> > worse

> > > than yeast and bacteria combined), we eliminate his symptoms

such

> > as

> > > sneezing, itching, explosive anger, rashes, violent and very

> > > inappropriate behaviors towards others, OCD and anxiety.

While I

> > > believe that the heavy metals and viral overload created the

> > > situation, it doesn't eliminate the need for it to be

treated.

> We

> > do

> > > notice as we have continued to decrease his toxic burden,

support

> > his

> > > organs and immune system, allergy season no longer brings

about a

> > > child who would kiss you one minute and tell you he was going

to

> > > shoot you and make you bloody the next (at 6 years old!).

When

> he

> > > did have the more severe histamine issues, methionine was a

> > Godsend.

> > > We still use it, as needed. We have also used high dose

inositol

> > to

> > > decrease his OCD. But I found that he needed the methionine

as

> > > well. My son didn't do well with MB12 or folic acid (in

> > > anything!). He does do well with B6, TMG (to decrease

> > > homocysteine), aloe vera, methionine, inositol, among others.

> > >

> > > Just my experience.

> > > TamiW

> > > Gavin's mom

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Laurie,

We did 2x a day for a period of time. Now we just give 1x a day.

I think if we can get the adrenals functioning at optimal levels then

the histamine reactions to foods and/or environmental allergies would

be decreased as well.

High histamines impact the adrenal's ability to produce aldosterone.

When this happens we lose sodium which makes us lose water. We

become dehydrated. Dehydration initiates exaggerated histamine

production as a water regulating control. Histamines distribute the

water available to the body's functions that have priority.

Histamines also help to regulate the immune system, but when

dehydration is present the immune system regulation is inhibited.

It's easy to see how high histamines can impact the body's ability to

function.

http://biologyofkundalini.com/article.php?story=Histamine

Allergic reactions typically have an adrenal component. Cortisol, one

of the primary hormones produced by the adrenal glands, is a strong

anti-inflammatory agent. For this reason proper adrenal function

plays an important role in mediating the histamine release and

inflammatory reactions that produce the symptoms experienced with

allergies. A vicious circle occurs with adrenal fatigue and the

tendency to experience allergies. The more histamine that is released

the harder the adrenals have to work to produce more cortisol,

thereby the more fatigued the adrenals become, which increases

allergic inflammation in a vicious circle.

Before we started addressing Gavin's adrenals, he would literally

take the sea salt and pour it on his tongue. And he'd test low in

sodium. I used to wonder why until I started reading about what

happens to sodium when you have adrenal fatigue.

http://www.drgangemi.com/isthatnormal/index_html#3

Craving salt usually means you are losing more sodium than you

normally should. The mineralcorticoid aldosterone, secreted by your

adrenal glands, works with the kidneys to hang onto sodium (and

chloride), which not only keeps sodium in your body, but also water.

This is to maintain electrolyte and water balance in your body.

Stressed out adrenal glands tend to produce less aldosterone and

therefore more sodium is lost – so you crave it. Since you will lose

more water with a lowered sodium level from the lowered aldosterone,

you will become dehydrated more easily. Even though you lose more

fluid with the lowered adrenal gland function, edema, or swelling,

(especially around the ankles), is a common occurrence as your body

tries to regulate the electrolyte imbalance.

My best,

TamiW

Gavin's mom

> > > >

> > > > My son is a high histamine kid. Methionine is one of the

> > > supplements

> > > > that has made a huge difference in his ability to 'control'

> the

> > > > behaviors that high histamines cause. We checked for the

> > > histadine

> > > > levels in the blood. The first test we did, my son was a 95

on

> a

> > > > range of 40-70 being normal. The second test -when his

> behaviors

> > > went

> > > > out of control-we saw his histamines increase to 154 with the

> > same

> > > > reference range. We noticed his behaviors decrease alongside

> his

> > > > histamine levels.

> > > >

> > > > As we control his histamines (allergy season for us used to

be

> > > worse

> > > > than yeast and bacteria combined), we eliminate his symptoms

> such

> > > as

> > > > sneezing, itching, explosive anger, rashes, violent and very

> > > > inappropriate behaviors towards others, OCD and anxiety.

> While I

> > > > believe that the heavy metals and viral overload created the

> > > > situation, it doesn't eliminate the need for it to be

> treated.

> > We

> > > do

> > > > notice as we have continued to decrease his toxic burden,

> support

> > > his

> > > > organs and immune system, allergy season no longer brings

> about a

> > > > child who would kiss you one minute and tell you he was going

> to

> > > > shoot you and make you bloody the next (at 6 years old!).

> When

> > he

> > > > did have the more severe histamine issues, methionine was a

> > > Godsend.

> > > > We still use it, as needed. We have also used high dose

> inositol

> > > to

> > > > decrease his OCD. But I found that he needed the methionine

> as

> > > > well. My son didn't do well with MB12 or folic acid (in

> > > > anything!). He does do well with B6, TMG (to decrease

> > > > homocysteine), aloe vera, methionine, inositol, among others.

> > > >

> > > > Just my experience.

> > > > TamiW

> > > > Gavin's mom

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Laurie, I forgot to answer that yes, we use Nutricology brand.

TamiW

Gavin's mom

> > > >

> > > > My son is a high histamine kid. Methionine is one of the

> > > supplements

> > > > that has made a huge difference in his ability to 'control'

> the

> > > > behaviors that high histamines cause. We checked for the

> > > histadine

> > > > levels in the blood. The first test we did, my son was a 95

on

> a

> > > > range of 40-70 being normal. The second test -when his

> behaviors

> > > went

> > > > out of control-we saw his histamines increase to 154 with the

> > same

> > > > reference range. We noticed his behaviors decrease alongside

> his

> > > > histamine levels.

> > > >

> > > > As we control his histamines (allergy season for us used to

be

> > > worse

> > > > than yeast and bacteria combined), we eliminate his symptoms

> such

> > > as

> > > > sneezing, itching, explosive anger, rashes, violent and very

> > > > inappropriate behaviors towards others, OCD and anxiety.

> While I

> > > > believe that the heavy metals and viral overload created the

> > > > situation, it doesn't eliminate the need for it to be

> treated.

> > We

> > > do

> > > > notice as we have continued to decrease his toxic burden,

> support

> > > his

> > > > organs and immune system, allergy season no longer brings

> about a

> > > > child who would kiss you one minute and tell you he was going

> to

> > > > shoot you and make you bloody the next (at 6 years old!).

> When

> > he

> > > > did have the more severe histamine issues, methionine was a

> > > Godsend.

> > > > We still use it, as needed. We have also used high dose

> inositol

> > > to

> > > > decrease his OCD. But I found that he needed the methionine

> as

> > > > well. My son didn't do well with MB12 or folic acid (in

> > > > anything!). He does do well with B6, TMG (to decrease

> > > > homocysteine), aloe vera, methionine, inositol, among others.

> > > >

> > > > Just my experience.

> > > > TamiW

> > > > Gavin's mom

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> http://www.drgangemi.com/isthatnormal/index_html#3

Has anyone been treated by Dr. Gangemi? He seems to get adrenal issues at

least...

Nell

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tami,

I will try that one.

Laurie

> > > > >

> > > > > My son is a high histamine kid. Methionine is one of the

> > > > supplements

> > > > > that has made a huge difference in his ability

to 'control'

> > the

> > > > > behaviors that high histamines cause. We checked for the

> > > > histadine

> > > > > levels in the blood. The first test we did, my son was a

95

> on

> > a

> > > > > range of 40-70 being normal. The second test -when his

> > behaviors

> > > > went

> > > > > out of control-we saw his histamines increase to 154 with

the

> > > same

> > > > > reference range. We noticed his behaviors decrease

alongside

> > his

> > > > > histamine levels.

> > > > >

> > > > > As we control his histamines (allergy season for us used

to

> be

> > > > worse

> > > > > than yeast and bacteria combined), we eliminate his

symptoms

> > such

> > > > as

> > > > > sneezing, itching, explosive anger, rashes, violent and

very

> > > > > inappropriate behaviors towards others, OCD and anxiety.

> > While I

> > > > > believe that the heavy metals and viral overload created

the

> > > > > situation, it doesn't eliminate the need for it to be

> > treated.

> > > We

> > > > do

> > > > > notice as we have continued to decrease his toxic burden,

> > support

> > > > his

> > > > > organs and immune system, allergy season no longer brings

> > about a

> > > > > child who would kiss you one minute and tell you he was

going

> > to

> > > > > shoot you and make you bloody the next (at 6 years old!).

> > When

> > > he

> > > > > did have the more severe histamine issues, methionine was

a

> > > > Godsend.

> > > > > We still use it, as needed. We have also used high dose

> > inositol

> > > > to

> > > > > decrease his OCD. But I found that he needed the

methionine

> > as

> > > > > well. My son didn't do well with MB12 or folic acid (in

> > > > > anything!). He does do well with B6, TMG (to decrease

> > > > > homocysteine), aloe vera, methionine, inositol, among

others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just my experience.

> > > > > TamiW

> > > > > Gavin's mom

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>