Help!!: sudden shutdown since brushing/joint compression

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Hi

I'm asking on behalf of a dad who is not a member on this list :

His 6yo girl have been swimming for four years & he brought his

girl to an OT who recommended 2-3 hourly deep pressure brushing

at a medium pace. His girl used to like ( & obsessed) with water/

swimming & she had been such for four years prior to brushing.

She certainly can float & track in the water.

Within 2-3 days of brushing, she became a totally different kid -

often screaming & refusing to go into the water. There's no other

changes that the parents are aware of.

They stopped brushing her for 3 months & she's still " shutdown "

- often screaming & never wanted to go into the water again.

Both the junior & senior OT claims that this bad development/

regression had nothing to do with brushing. Coincidentally

my 7yo ds who has been swimming for last 2 years refused

to go into the pool too ever since we started brushing him

(but he's not in complete shutdown mode - just that he tantrum

very easily nowadays)

Any suggestions will be most appreciated.

Will be grateful if anyone well-versed with joint-compression/

brushing chip in here. Any other views are most welcome.

I thought of doing slow massaging on my son to see if it

helps.

Thanks very much

G

[Guest guest]

I'm guessing that this could have redistributed some mercury that was

in the connective tissue. I had an endermologie treatment (a

vigorous type of massage using a roller/vaccuum mechanism that pulls

the skin up and kneads it) and tasted a strong metallic taste in my

mouth afterward. A strong metallic taste is one sign of

redistributing mercury in me.

I never had a metallic taste after getting a regular massage from a

person.

Trudeau

>

> Hi

>

>

> I'm asking on behalf of a dad who is not a member on this list :

>

> His 6yo girl have been swimming for four years & he brought his

> girl to an OT who recommended 2-3 hourly deep pressure brushing

> at a medium pace. His girl used to like ( & obsessed) with water/

> swimming & she had been such for four years prior to brushing.

> She certainly can float & track in the water.

>

> Within 2-3 days of brushing, she became a totally different kid -

> often screaming & refusing to go into the water. There's no other

> changes that the parents are aware of.

>

> They stopped brushing her for 3 months & she's still " shutdown "

> - often screaming & never wanted to go into the water again.

>

> Both the junior & senior OT claims that this bad development/

> regression had nothing to do with brushing. Coincidentally

> my 7yo ds who has been swimming for last 2 years refused

> to go into the pool too ever since we started brushing him

> (but he's not in complete shutdown mode - just that he tantrum

> very easily nowadays)

>

> Any suggestions will be most appreciated.

>

>

> Will be grateful if anyone well-versed with joint-compression/

> brushing chip in here. Any other views are most welcome.

>

> I thought of doing slow massaging on my son to see if it

> helps.

>

>

> Thanks very much

> G

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

We did brushing on our daughter when she was about 2 on recommendation from an

OT who specialised in sensory integration. At that time we thought our daughter

had sensory integration dysfunction and not the ASD she was dx with a year ago.

Anyway I brushed for about 3 months. After starting 2 days later my daughter

started to reflux. The OT said it had nothing to do with it. Later on I

stopped brushing because of the reflux It still continued, so I decided to

withdraw egg from my daughter's diet and the reflux stopped. My theory is that

the brushing sensitised her to a degree. I wouldn't do it again.

Brushing MUST be done a certain way - otherwise it can harm the child. The

brushing protocol is called the Wilbarger protocol. You can google it. Some

areas of the body should never be brushed - like hte stomach. Long firm brushes

, not lifting the brush from the body is recommended. And then after brushing

doing joint compressions. The impression I get is that the girl you are writing

about has become increasingly sensitised if she doesn't like the water anymore.

I would enquire whether a kinesiologist might be able to reverse some of the

regression. I'ts worth enquiring. I know a good one in Sydney.

Trudeau <jetchiro@...> wrote: I'm

guessing that this could have redistributed some mercury that was

in the connective tissue. I had an endermologie treatment (a

vigorous type of massage using a roller/vaccuum mechanism that pulls

the skin up and kneads it) and tasted a strong metallic taste in my

mouth afterward. A strong metallic taste is one sign of

redistributing mercury in me.

I never had a metallic taste after getting a regular massage from a

person.

Trudeau

>

> Hi

>

>

> I'm asking on behalf of a dad who is not a member on this list :

>

> His 6yo girl have been swimming for four years & he brought his

> girl to an OT who recommended 2-3 hourly deep pressure brushing

> at a medium pace. His girl used to like ( & obsessed) with water/

> swimming & she had been such for four years prior to brushing.

> She certainly can float & track in the water.

>

> Within 2-3 days of brushing, she became a totally different kid -

> often screaming & refusing to go into the water. There's no other

> changes that the parents are aware of.

>

> They stopped brushing her for 3 months & she's still " shutdown "

> - often screaming & never wanted to go into the water again.

>

> Both the junior & senior OT claims that this bad development/

> regression had nothing to do with brushing. Coincidentally

> my 7yo ds who has been swimming for last 2 years refused

> to go into the pool too ever since we started brushing him

> (but he's not in complete shutdown mode - just that he tantrum

> very easily nowadays)

>

> Any suggestions will be most appreciated.

>

>

> Will be grateful if anyone well-versed with joint-compression/

> brushing chip in here. Any other views are most welcome.

>

> I thought of doing slow massaging on my son to see if it

> helps.

>

>

> Thanks very much

> G

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

*Hi /,*

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*Thanks for chipping in.*

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*I'm under the impression that the brushing method my OT*

*(who specializes in sensory integration) is not correct -*

*a moderately swift brushing with moderate pressure.*

5 yrs ago when my son's eye-contact returns, the brushing I

deployed is a continuous slow & even deep-pressure without

lifting up the brush. This OT uses her palm to stroke

downwards the chest & presses his teeth but I don't do this

part. The joint compression I do is pushing only but she

appeared to push followed by a slight pull.

My personal theory of brushing (I tried brushing myself) :

the bristles of the brush must not be scratching the skin but

rather the skin should feel more like being massaged slowly

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*In any case, I agree my friend should not attempt further*

*brushing anymore but I read joint compression alone by*

*itself is fine.*

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*I now took over the brushing myself for the last 1.5 days*

* & he appeared calmer & not resisting the brushing. He*

*dislikes the OT's method of brushing*

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*I've heard of a kinesiologist in my country but will have*

*to search past archives in our local forum.*

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*I guess it may worth to ask my friend too if there's any*

vaccination/change to his girl diet recently

Thanks

G

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Aysha Vaseer <aysha_vaseer@...> to

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Hi

We did brushing on our daughter when she was about 2 on recommendation

from an OT who specialised in sensory integration. At that time we

thought our daughter had sensory integration dysfunction and not the

ASD she was dx with a year ago.

Anyway I brushed for about 3 months. After starting 2 days later my

daughter started to reflux. The OT said it had nothing to do with it.

Later on I stopped brushing because of the reflux It still continued,

so I decided to withdraw egg from my daughter's diet and the reflux

stopped. My theory is that the brushing sensitised her to a degree.

I wouldn't do it again.

Brushing MUST be done a certain way - otherwise it can harm the child.

The brushing protocol is called the Wilbarger protocol. You can google

it. Some areas of the body should never be brushed - like hte stomach.

Long firm brushes , not lifting the brush from the body is recommended.

And then after brushing doing joint compressions. The impression I get

is that the girl you are writing about has become increasingly

sensitised if she doesn't like the water anymore. I would enquire

whether a kinesiologist might be able to reverse some of the

regression. I'ts worth enquiring. I know a good one in Sydney.

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Hi

I'm asking on behalf of a dad who is not a member on this list :

His 6yo girl have been swimming for four years & he brought his

girl to an OT who recommended 2-3 hourly deep pressure brushing

at a medium pace. His girl used to like water/swimming &

she had been such for four years prior to brushing.

She certainly can float & track in the water.

Within days of brushing, she became a totally different kid -

often screaming & refusing to go into the water. There's no other

changes that the parents are aware of.

They stopped brushing her for 3 months & she's still " shutdown "

- often screaming & never wanted to go into the water again.

Both the junior & senior OT claims that this bad development/

regression had nothing to do with brushing. Coincidentally

my 7yo ds who has been swimming for last 2 years refused

to go into the pool too ever since we started brushing him

(but he's not in complete shutdown mode - just that he tantrums

very easily nowadays)

Any suggestions will be most appreciated.

Will be grateful if anyone well-versed with joint-compression/

brushing chip in here. Any other views are most welcome.

I thought of doing slow massaging on my son to see if it

helps.

Thanks very much

G

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