Re: Should Parents Be Forced to Vaccinate Their Children?

[Guest guest]

> " worried about autism, many parents are

> opting out of immunizations. How they're putting the rest of us at risk. "

I have several responses I hope you all will chant all over the internet until

there isn't any

bandwidth left for any other message:

If the above is true, vaccines are fraudulent since they don't protect

vaccinated people

against disease. If they protect vaccinated people then only those who are not

vaccinated

are at risk!

The major risk for epidemics is children are all gathered together at large

public schools

where the disease spreads like wildfire. If everyone was homeschooled or did

distance

learning on the internet or learned in small private schools there would be much

less need

for vaccination.

The argument above should be flipped around - will the vaccine advocates agree

to get

the death penalty if it turns out that vaccines cause SIDS? (which they do), or

spend the

rest of their life in solitary confinement if it turns out vaccines cause

autism? Why do they

think it is OK for them to impose a risk on other people's children? If they

think vaccines

work, they can vaccinate their own children - and if their kids then get an

epidemic

disease they were vaccinated against, that is proof enough that the vaccines are

ineffective

and should never have been mandated.

You'll get a bunch of chanting about " herd immunity " back in response to this,

to which

the reply is " since when are we cattle? Why should doctors engage in human

husbandry

and try to maximize profit off the flock of sheeple? I thought we were

individuals and had

rights? "

Andy

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

My mother's generation (born after World War I) organized children's parties

in order to make them get infected with scarlet fever and other childhood

diseases.

If children are treated with natural remedies and are not deficient in

vitamins and minerals childhood diseases posed hardly any dangers - just the

opposite: children develop a strong immune system.

What makes these illnesses a real danger is mainly coming from medical

intervention - forcing down the temperature that is necessary to fight the

viruses or bacteria.

The times when childhood diseases were a real danger was when children were

malnourished. All statistics show that all deaths from childhood diseases

were already on the decline before vaccines were introduced.

If you hear about the dangers of avoidable illnesses then all the avoidable

illnesses from vaccination should be taken into account as well, all the

sudden death syndrom babies shortly after vaccination, autoimmune diseases,

chronic asthma and autism of course.

When we are told about recent measles epidemics we are usually not told that

most of the cases are in children who had been VACCINATED.

The dangers of childhood diseases in the Third World is very obvious. But

vaccination is not a solution - it is kills a huge number of them.

I worked for many years as a teacher in a private school. When children came

back after illnesses they were often completely changed and had become more

mature - and in most of these dramatic changes the children had had measels,

mumps or scarlett fever.

Dorothee

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vaccination for prevention of disease, the video is clearly devoted to

presenting the other side of the issue that parents and others are not being

told. The result is a damning account of the ineffectiveness of vaccines and

their often harmful effects. It declares that parents are not being told the

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Vaccinated vs. Non-Vaccinated: Who Is Healthier?

Watch and listen as Dr. Rohlfsen, a Chiropractor, challenges the dogma of

the medical establishment's claim of healthier children. Are vaccinated

children healthier than non vaccinated children? And where is the proof?

Please don't be a darn fool and claim because, " we don't have measles,

polio, ect... and this demonstrates, all the proof we need " . Any good

scientist would agree that it is impossible and foolish to try and prove a

negative. e.g " Because we don't have polio, the vaccination must have

worked! " This is a sick and perverted informal fallacy that has promoted the

vaccine hoax for so many years. Who's to say proper hygiene, sanitation and

better nutrition as well as other factors didn't have a greater impact?

Where does the burden of proof stand?

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On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 9:54 PM, andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote:

> > " worried about autism, many parents are

> > opting out of immunizations. How they're putting the rest of us at risk. "

>

> I have several responses I hope you all will chant all over the internet

> until there isn't any

> bandwidth left for any other message:

>

> If the above is true, vaccines are fraudulent since they don't protect

> vaccinated people

> against disease. If they protect vaccinated people then only those who are

> not vaccinated

> are at risk!

>

> The major risk for epidemics is children are all gathered together at large

> public schools

> where the disease spreads like wildfire. If everyone was homeschooled or

> did distance

> learning on the internet or learned in small private schools there would be

> much less need

> for vaccination.

>

> The argument above should be flipped around - will the vaccine advocates

> agree to get

> the death penalty if it turns out that vaccines cause SIDS? (which they

> do), or spend the

> rest of their life in solitary confinement if it turns out vaccines cause

> autism? Why do they

> think it is OK for them to impose a risk on other people's children? If

> they think vaccines

> work, they can vaccinate their own children - and if their kids then get an

> epidemic

> disease they were vaccinated against, that is proof enough that the

> vaccines are ineffective

> and should never have been mandated.

>

> You'll get a bunch of chanting about " herd immunity " back in response to

> this, to which

> the reply is " since when are we cattle? Why should doctors engage in human

> husbandry

> and try to maximize profit off the flock of sheeple? I thought we were

> individuals and had

> rights? "

>

> Andy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

**worked for many years as a teacher in a private school. When children came

back after illnesses they were often completely changed and had become more

mature - and in most of these dramatic changes the children had had measels,**

When my children were smaller I used a reference source that included Chinese

Traditional remedies and this is exactly what it said about the measles. I wish

I still owned the book, so that I might quote it, but the virus was labled as a

way to release " deep heat " and would result in a jump in maturity.

FWIW, one of my children had a " rash of unknown etiology " . They couldn't say

for sure it was the measles because they had NEVER SEEN A REAL CASE before and I

wasn't about to subject my toddler to a blood draw just to satisfy their

curiosity. I knew it was a mild case of the measles, since I had had the virus

as a child.

Miriam

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[Guest guest]

>

> > > " worried about autism, many parents are

> > > opting out of immunizations. How they're putting the rest of us at risk. "

> >

> > I have several responses I hope you all will chant all over the internet

> > until there isn't any

> > bandwidth left for any other message:

> >

> > If the above is true, vaccines are fraudulent since they don't protect

> > vaccinated people

> > against disease. If they protect vaccinated people then only those who are

> > not vaccinated

> > are at risk!

> >

> > The major risk for epidemics is children are all gathered together at large

> > public schools

> > where the disease spreads like wildfire. If everyone was homeschooled or

> > did distance

> > learning on the internet or learned in small private schools there would be

> > much less need

> > for vaccination.

> >

> > The argument above should be flipped around - will the vaccine advocates

> > agree to get

> > the death penalty if it turns out that vaccines cause SIDS? (which they

> > do), or spend the

> > rest of their life in solitary confinement if it turns out vaccines cause

> > autism? Why do they

> > think it is OK for them to impose a risk on other people's children? If

> > they think vaccines

> > work, they can vaccinate their own children - and if their kids then get an

> > epidemic

> > disease they were vaccinated against, that is proof enough that the

> > vaccines are ineffective

> > and should never have been mandated.

> >

> > You'll get a bunch of chanting about " herd immunity " back in response to

> > this, to which

> > the reply is " since when are we cattle? Why should doctors engage in human

> > husbandry

> > and try to maximize profit off the flock of sheeple? I thought we were

> > individuals and had

> > rights? "

> >

> > Andy

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> FWIW, one of my children had a " rash of unknown etiology " . They

couldn't say for sure it was the measles because they had NEVER SEEN

A REAL CASE before and I wasn't about to subject my toddler to a

blood draw just to satisfy their curiosity. I knew it was a mild

case of the measles, since I had had the virus as a child.

>

> Miriam

>

Not exactly on topic, but your remarks remind me of when my ex got

the chicken pox shortly before he turned 32. Our youngest brought

it home and our oldest got it about two weeks or so later. Then a

few days later, their dad came home from work not feeling so well.

He had said previously that he did not remember having chicken pox

as a kid, so I felt he probably hadn't had it because most people

remember it unless they had it as infants. When he came home not

feeling well on a Friday night, he only had a few " spots " . When I

insisted it was chicken pox, he claimed I couldn't possibly know

that, there wasn't sufficient evidence. (I had diagnosed my

youngest child when he had about 5 spots -- called my sister and

asked her to read me off all the spotty diseases from her medical

book.) Well, Saturday rolls around and he is obviously spotty. But

I think it was Sunday before he could admit I was right, clearly he

had the chicken pox. :-P

Michele