Update DMPS - Teeth Discoloration - Discomfort with ALA only

[Guest guest]

I decieded to drop the DMPS and just give her the ALA every three

hours for three days. She been more irritable and says her head

hurts. What could be causing this? Should I add back in the DMPS on

the next round, stop the round we are on, lower the dose and if so

when. She does still have viral issues but a headache doesn't sound

viral to me. She has always done much better when we added in the

ALA. Suggestions please. Melinda

>

> Could DMPS be causing teeth discoloration?

>

> FYI: Our daughter has had 47 rounds of DMPS seven days on seven

days

> off. We started dosing at every eight hour and than moved to every

> six hours when we added in ALA. She has had 35 rounds of ALA every

> three hours in the middle of the DMPS round. Her one and only hair

> analysis was done 2/27/06. We started chelating in July 2006. She

> appears recovered from PDD-NOS. She is at grade level with no

support

> and making friends. Her remaining issues are that she requires

> antivirals to maintain NT eye contact and it appears that she still

> has some food intolerances.

>

> Is there an appropriate time for another hair analysis?

> How do I determine if the DMPS could be discoloring her teeth?

> If it is would it be appropriate to chelate with ALA alone at this

> point?

>

> This past year I have been going to school to give her the DMPS and

> starting the ALA on Friday and ending Monday morning. It would be

> very difficult to go to school every three hours so I would

consider

> only chelating on the weekends:(

>

> Melinda

>

[Guest guest]

Melinda - ALA does chelate the brain, and will cause inflammation there. I

also experience it as my brain hurting, but only if the dose is too high and/or

the doses are not timed close enough together. What schedule are you suing?

How much? How much does she weight?

Also, you are providing the standard supps, right? Particularly zinc, mag, vit

C, vit E, CoQ10, CLO? Here is the list:

B50 or B100 once or twice /d

Buffered C, 4g/d, or as much as you can get in.

Mg, 100mg 4x/d and increase to 200 in a few weeks (scale to wt. for a child)

Avoid the oxide form, it's not absorbable.

Magnesium citrate, malate, aspartate, or amino acid chelate are best.

Mg Supps is done by taking 100-200mg (adult) with each meal and possibly at

bedtime. The amount used is adjusted to the max level that is not laxative.

Ca should also be given so the ratio of Ca to Mg intake from all sources

(food & pills) is somewhere between 1:2 and 2:1.

Vit E, 1600IU/d, scale to wt. for a child

CoQ10, 75-200mg/d, scale to wt. for a child

Zinc, 20mg + 1mg/lb

Flax Oil, 10+g/d (1-2 tbsp) or CLO (1/2 - 1 tbsp)

Borage oil, 1+g/d (1-2 tsp)

Milk thistle, 1-2 cap/meal, scale to wt. for a child

Folic acid, 400-800mcg/d, scale to wt. for a child

Make sure any selenium is in some form like selenomethionine or selenium yeast.

AIp. 162: 50-300mcg a day total. (scale to wt. for a child)

Try Lecithin, Choline & B12 to see how you respond.

Dave.

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Posted by: " melindafaith2005 " melindafaith2005@... melindafaith2005

Date: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:05 pm ((PDT))

I decieded to drop the DMPS and just give her the ALA every three

hours for three days. She been more irritable and says her head

hurts. What could be causing this? Should I add back in the DMPS on

the next round, stop the round we are on, lower the dose and if so

when. She does still have viral issues but a headache doesn't sound

viral to me. She has always done much better when we added in the

ALA. Suggestions please. Melinda

[Guest guest]

Dave, it appears that the headaches are not due to chelation. We have

yet to start another round and she is still having them. I am going

to try to drop coenzyme Q10 + creatine since that was the last supp.

added in. Comments interspersed - kinda long

> Melinda - ALA does chelate the brain, and will cause inflammation

there. I also experience it as my brain hurting, but only if the

dose is too high and/or the doses are not timed close enough

together. What schedule are you suing? > How much? How much does

she weight?

DMPS - 8mg every six hours seven days on seven days off.

ALA- 8mg every three hours in the middle of the DMPS round.

Weights about 38 pounds

FYI: Our daughter has had 47 rounds of DMPS seven days on seven days

> off. We started dosing at every eight hour and than moved to every

> six hours when we added in ALA. She has had 35 rounds of ALA every

> three hours in the middle of the DMPS round. Her one and only hair

> analysis was done 2/27/06. We started chelating in July 2006. She

> appears recovered from PDD-NOS. She is at grade level with no

support

> and making friends. Her remaining issues are that she requires

> antivirals to maintain NT eye contact and it appears that she still

> has some food intolerances.

>

> Is there an appropriate time for another hair analysis?

> How do I determine if the DMPS could be discoloring her teeth?

> If it is would it be appropriate to chelate with ALA alone at this

> point?

>

> This past year I have been going to school to give her the DMPS and

> starting the ALA on Friday and ending Monday morning. It would be

> very difficult to go to school every three hours so I would consider

> only chelating on the weekends:(

> Also, you are providing the standard supps, right? Particularly

zinc, mag, vit

> C, vit E, CoQ10, CLO?

All of these with the exception of CoQ10 - I think might be causing

headaches.

Here is the list:

>

> B50 or B100 once or twice /d

> Buffered C, 4g/d, or as much as you can get in.

>

> Mg, 100mg 4x/d and increase to 200 in a few weeks (scale to wt. for

a child)

>

> Avoid the oxide form, it's not absorbable.

> Magnesium citrate, malate, aspartate, or amino acid chelate are

best.

> Mg Supps is done by taking 100-200mg (adult) with each meal and

possibly at

> bedtime. The amount used is adjusted to the max level that is

not laxative.

Just increased her mag. citrate since her bm's have recently slowed

down to every other day.

> Ca should also be given so the ratio of Ca to Mg intake from

all sources

> (food & pills) is somewhere between 1:2 and 2:1.

Have not supplemented with calcium. Practitioner recommended to add

in nettles or camomile?

> Vit E, 1600IU/d, scale to wt. for a child

We are using ARG mixed and succinate.

> CoQ10, 75-200mg/d, scale to wt. for a child

Dropped today

> Zinc, 20mg + 1mg/lb

> Flax Oil, 10+g/d (1-2 tbsp) or CLO (1/2 - 1 tbsp)

> Borage oil, 1+g/d (1-2 tsp)

> Milk thistle, 1-2 cap/meal, scale to wt. for a child

>

> Folic acid, 400-800mcg/d, scale to wt. for a child

>

Not using flax but using Krill, Fish and some CLO -(we are using vit

A)

No Borage Oil

Using Liver saver have used milk thistle in the past

Folic - 800mcg twice daily

>

> Make sure any selenium is in some form like selenomethionine or

selenium yeast.

> AIp. 162: 50-300mcg a day total. (scale to wt. for a child)

No selenium

>

>

> Try Lecithin, Choline & B12 to see how you respond.

>

Why Lecithin and Choline?

Giving 1mg of mb12

Probably will start another round here soon. We are on other things

not mentioned: antivirals, antifungals, lots of enzymes including

PRX, and giving Epicor, Carnitine and probiotics. Also, have dropped

vit D and her teeth discoloration appears to be improving. I am

learning that the fat soluble vitamin protocal, Vit A, D and K are

involved in bone and calcium management and the three are synergestic

with one another. Practitoner doesn't feel we should drop the D but

wants to add in K.

If I can't figure out what is causing the headaches I will post a

list of what we are giving and the dosages for suggestions. Would not

think it would be viral but she is a very viral kid.

I think that is it. Thanks for taking a look.

Melinda

> Dave.