Re: behavior issues..please help

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>>We have been doing virus

> removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

> Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting something new

> and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors.

> the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

What anti-virals are you using?

Dana

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Hi Ronni,

Wow, those are broad ?'s and if you can post the worst examples of what you are

talking about I might be able to help.

All children are self centered and this often reaches new heights as they

approach and enter adolescence. It is said that a teenagers creed is " Me, me,

me....enough about me, what do you think about me? "

And, I'm sure you've noticed that not all kids grow out of this as there are an

awful lot of self centered adults :-)

[ ] behavior issues..please help

I am running into a real issue.....at least to me. My kids,

9,10,13..are turning into some of the most self centered selfish kids.

These 3 are on the spectrum...but recovering. We have been doing virus

removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting something new

and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors. I know it is

winter and everything seems worse since we are pretty much stuck at

home because of driving conditions and cold....but sheesh....I wanna

run and hide!!! We just started a modified SCD diet about a week

ago...so maybe this is it....but it started before we went on the

diet...any input.. We have 9 kids total...so am not a rooky to

parenting. We are hoping to start chelation up this next week-end if

the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

Appreciate your input

Ronni

[Guest guest]

Ronni,

I don't know if this applies to your kids, but my apraxic son often

shows real difficult behavior when he has a big jump cognitively.

Often when I add something that works for him, I'll often see both

good and bad reactions from him. Vitamin E was big for us this

way...I added it just before he turned 3 and for about a month he was

a HUGE brat. Defiant, willful, couldn't be pleased etc. However, I

also got imaginative play for the first time and a jump in language.

It was like little connections formed in his brain and he realized

that maybe he could get his own way. I was consistent with him, the

bad behavior slowly faded away except that he still is more non-

compliant than he was before...but before he was so compliant as to

be abnormal.

I hope this is the case with your kids.

>

> I am running into a real issue.....at least to me. My kids,

> 9,10,13..are turning into some of the most self centered selfish

kids.

> These 3 are on the spectrum...but recovering. We have been doing

virus

> removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

> Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting something

new

> and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors. I know it is

> winter and everything seems worse since we are pretty much stuck at

> home because of driving conditions and cold....but sheesh....I

wanna

> run and hide!!! We just started a modified SCD diet about a week

> ago...so maybe this is it....but it started before we went on the

> diet...any input.. We have 9 kids total...so am not a rooky to

> parenting. We are hoping to start chelation up this next week-end

if

> the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

> Appreciate your input

> Ronni

>

[Guest guest]

It always impresses me that you have 9-- count 'em, 9!-- kids.

Clearly, as a non-rooky, you're a little surprised by the self-

centered burst out of your effected kids or you wouldn't be posting

and you would be less surprised if your NT kids had shown the same

behavior (unless the three kids you're talking about are the oldest).

So, if the other kids are older and were not as self-centered, you're

pretty much a model parent and know more than most. All I can post

are the things that we noticed make our twins (much younger)

difficult in all ways, including obstreperousness and irritability,

though I couldn't say whether any of this will be useful to you:

- Increased attitude and willfulness as they recover and begin to

notice their own likes and dislikes more. Discipline given with a lot

of sugar (affection) seems to get them through these phases onto the

next level of development.

-Excess B vitamins

-Excess C vitamins (they eat so much fruit that too much added supps

cause problems)

-Giving nystatin to treat yeast without enough charcoal to kill the

die-off. An extra dose before bed improves sleep and attitude the

next day.

- Gaba and Taurine: the kids turned out not to need it. It would make

them a bit tired for a minute or two, then they'd have a " backlash "

of hyperactivity and wouldn't sleep. Very counter-productive

- This one's obvious: the teeniest microscopic particle of gluten or

casein or soy, even from poor food separation (even from someone

shaking a parmesan jar too close to them) but mostly hidden in

commercial (though organic) foods or supplements

- Too much prompting, either through therapists or at home: our

daughter in particular would have a backlash of bad behavior if

efforts at discipline were not balanced with following her cues to

play and giving attention in ways that she likes. It's really about

hurt feelings in the end and her feeling depersonalized.

- A whiff of petrochemicals turns our son into a really challenging

kid. Normally he's easy going.

- For our daughter, corn creates horrible behavior. It's listed as

one of her milder allergies, so this is kind of a surprise, but it's

consistent. Corn seems to act like casein for her. Our son will more

slowly manifest bad behavior in response to food allergens but our

daughter's alarms go off immediatly.

>

> I am running into a real issue.....at least to me. My kids,

> 9,10,13..are turning into some of the most self centered selfish

kids.

> These 3 are on the spectrum...but recovering. We have been doing

virus

> removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

> Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting something

new

> and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors. I know it is

> winter and everything seems worse since we are pretty much stuck at

> home because of driving conditions and cold....but sheesh....I

wanna

> run and hide!!! We just started a modified SCD diet about a week

> ago...so maybe this is it....but it started before we went on the

> diet...any input.. We have 9 kids total...so am not a rooky to

> parenting. We are hoping to start chelation up this next week-end

if

> the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

> Appreciate your input

> Ronni

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I'm not sure there's a whole lot you can do to prevent pre-teen and teen

behaviors. I had 2 and from the ages of 11 till they left the house at 18 it was

mostly this kind of behavior. Sometimes it was shocking how these kids were so

greedy and demanding! I swear my step-daughter had a permanent sneer on her face

for 7 years.

Try getting them to either play a game or activity that forces turns and

sharing (like a board game) or tell them they aren't allowed to play with each

other until they learn to share. The funny thing about my 2 is they would fight

and complain about each other until I seperated them. Then they wanted to be

together because it got boring. Good luck!

Ladyshrink111@... wrote:

Hi Ronni,

Wow, those are broad ?'s and if you can post the worst examples of what you are

talking about I might be able to help.

All children are self centered and this often reaches new heights as they

approach and enter adolescence. It is said that a teenagers creed is " Me, me,

me....enough about me, what do you think about me? "

And, I'm sure you've noticed that not all kids grow out of this as there are an

awful lot of self centered adults :-)

[ ] behavior issues..please help

I am running into a real issue.....at least to me. My kids,

9,10,13..are turning into some of the most self centered selfish kids.

These 3 are on the spectrum...but recovering. We have been doing virus

removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting something new

and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors. I know it is

winter and everything seems worse since we are pretty much stuck at

home because of driving conditions and cold....but sheesh....I wanna

run and hide!!! We just started a modified SCD diet about a week

ago...so maybe this is it....but it started before we went on the

diet...any input.. We have 9 kids total...so am not a rooky to

parenting. We are hoping to start chelation up this next week-end if

the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

Appreciate your input

Ronni

[Guest guest]

Hmmm let's see Dana....a bunch of em for sure.

I have not increased things very much or very fast, as they are just

chocked full of viruses.

500 mg lysine X2

olive leaf 1000 mg

vitamin C....depends on the kiddo....1000 to 8000 mg...were at over

20 mgs...but the poopies started and this is where we are.

PRX 3 tabs 1-2 times daily.

SPS-30 2 tabs 1-2 times daily

epicor 1 tab 2x daily

elderberry 3 tabs daily

This has been pretty much static for a while...except sps30...added

that when the terrible sore throats started. It seems it will come

back if we go off...so we haven't tried for a bit.

thanks

Ronni

>

>

> >>We have been doing virus

> > removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

> > Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting

something new

> > and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors.

> > the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

>

>

> What anti-virals are you using?

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , :-)

Broad based questions, lol, could be, but the issue seems to be that

way...not just specifics but a lot of it seems to be a targeted

mindset....ya know.

These are my youngest, and their behaviors don't seem to follow their

older siblings. And this maybe sounds odd...but my older 6 did not

really get into the " dreaded me " until they were out on their own and

into their 20's. We are a homeschool family...and the peer pressure

wasn't as much for them. They dealt with people from outside the

family when they were comfortable, and most of the time, they kept it

to a minimum.

These kiddos seem to be having a harder time, and I am not sure what

to think. For example is usually my easiest going, sharing,

smiley kiddo of the 3. He now seems moody and mean if he doesn't get

his way....even over simple things...not watching more cartoons...or

not watching them as often as he wants.

is still quite babish even if he is 9. He has tantrums and

complains about anything and everything. Food isn't what he wants

unless it is full of sugar, grease, and excitotoxins, which are not

allowed in the house. I watch their diet, and try to make sure they

are eating frequently to keep their blood sugar levels as even as

possible. They get lots of EFA's so I am sure they don't need oils.

Beth will be fine as long as she is getting what she wants....then if

something isn't what she wants, the pouts start and then she gets and

stays mean. Becomes verbally abusive and spiteful. Full of snide

comments and hurtful ways. Likes to play people off each

other...goes for the juggular so to speak with verbal behaviors.

Am prolly forgetting a lot..one of those nites when ya think and

don't sleep...lol...but alot is just that nuttin pleases....always

wanting new things or toys or movies or whatever....nothin is a

treat....they just deserve it...and that rather rankles me.

thanks

Ronni

> Hi Ronni,

>

> Wow, those are broad ?'s and if you can post the worst examples of

what you are talking about I might be able to help.

>

> All children are self centered and this often reaches new heights

as they approach and enter adolescence. It is said that a teenagers

creed is " Me, me, me....enough about me, what do you think about me? "

>

> And, I'm sure you've noticed that not all kids grow out of this as

there are an awful lot of self centered adults :-)

>

>

> [ ] behavior issues..please help

>

>

> I am running into a real issue.....at least to me. My kids,

> 9,10,13..are turning into some of the most self centered selfish

kids.

> These 3 are on the spectrum...but recovering. We have been doing

virus

> removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

> Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting

something new

> and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors. I know it is

> winter and everything seems worse since we are pretty much stuck

at

> home because of driving conditions and cold....but sheesh....I

wanna

> run and hide!!! We just started a modified SCD diet about a week

> ago...so maybe this is it....but it started before we went on the

> diet...any input.. We have 9 kids total...so am not a rooky to

> parenting. We are hoping to start chelation up this next week-end

if

> the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

> Appreciate your input

> Ronni

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We had those times too, earlier on, but these seem different...more

self oriented, so to speak. I am hoping that maybe this is all

viruses, or something and that it will change...sure would hate to

think that this is a permanent part of their personalities....ugh!! >

> Ronni,

>

> I don't know if this applies to your kids, but my apraxic son often

> shows real difficult behavior when he has a big jump cognitively.

> Often when I add something that works for him, I'll often see both

> good and bad reactions from him. Vitamin E was big for us this

> way...I added it just before he turned 3 and for about a month he

was

> a HUGE brat. Defiant, willful, couldn't be pleased etc. However,

I

> also got imaginative play for the first time and a jump in

language.

> It was like little connections formed in his brain and he realized

> that maybe he could get his own way. I was consistent with him,

the

> bad behavior slowly faded away except that he still is more non-

> compliant than he was before...but before he was so compliant as to

> be abnormal.

>

> I hope this is the case with your kids.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I am running into a real issue.....at least to me. My kids,

> > 9,10,13..are turning into some of the most self centered selfish

> kids.

> > These 3 are on the spectrum...but recovering. We have been doing

> virus

> > removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

> > Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting

something

> new

> > and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors. I know it is

> > winter and everything seems worse since we are pretty much stuck

at

> > home because of driving conditions and cold....but sheesh....I

> wanna

> > run and hide!!! We just started a modified SCD diet about a week

> > ago...so maybe this is it....but it started before we went on the

> > diet...any input.. We have 9 kids total...so am not a rooky to

> > parenting. We are hoping to start chelation up this next week-

end

> if

> > the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

> > Appreciate your input

> > Ronni

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Comments interspersed

>

> It always impresses me that you have 9-- count 'em, 9!-- kids.

> Clearly, as a non-rooky, you're a little surprised by the self-

> centered burst out of your effected kids or you wouldn't be posting

> and you would be less surprised if your NT kids had shown the same

> behavior (unless the three kids you're talking about are the

oldest).

These are my youngest. My elder children knew that this kind of

behavior wasn't acceptable at home, and were of a different

personality type than these three, my elder ones, were more quiet and

bookish, not angels by any means, but different....knew that pushing

Mom's buttons did not make life better...lol. These 3 are more noisy

outgoing and at this point pushing buttons seems to be their favorite

hobby!!!

> So, if the other kids are older and were not as self-centered,

you're

> pretty much a model parent

I am not a model parent....I do my best....but I shove my foot into

my mouth up to my hip.....but I do admit I am wrong and say I am

sorry... The older ones became selfish and full of themselves when

they got into the world and found drugs and alcohol...not a good

thing especially for Indians.

and know more than most. All I can post

> are the things that we noticed make our twins (much younger)

> difficult in all ways, including obstreperousness and irritability,

> though I couldn't say whether any of this will be useful to you:

>

> - Increased attitude and willfulness as they recover and begin to

> notice their own likes and dislikes more. Discipline given with a

lot

> of sugar (affection) Haven't heard that time in a long time, cept

around my house... :-)

seems to get them through these phases onto the

> next level of development.

> -Excess B vitamins

They are getting 1 b-100 plus 120 mg of biotin. The biotin was twice

as high...no differnce in behaviors...just helped with yeast.

> -Excess C vitamins (they eat so much fruit that too much added

supps

> cause problems)

Only the poops when they got to their limits here...

> -Giving nystatin to treat yeast without enough charcoal to kill the

> die-off. An extra dose before bed improves sleep and attitude the

> next day.

No nystatin here.....kids have had liver issues, so going with

biotin, modified SCD, and biotin...some pros...One son can not do

pros much at all, the other thrives on them...and my daughter is in

the middle. These kids are adopted FAS/drug affected/mercury toxic

and much more....so this also makes things a bit different.

> - Gaba and Taurine: the kids turned out not to need it. It would

make

> them a bit tired for a minute or two, then they'd have a " backlash "

> of hyperactivity and wouldn't sleep. Very counter-productive

Gaba was our best friend for years and years.. But they have been so

they don't need it....for about 6 months or so....not noticed any

reaction to taurine.

> - This one's obvious: the teeniest microscopic particle of gluten

or

> casein or soy, even from poor food separation (even from someone

> shaking a parmesan jar too close to them) but mostly hidden in

> commercial (though organic) foods or supplements

> - Too much prompting, either through therapists or at home: our

> daughter in particular would have a backlash of bad behavior if

> efforts at discipline were not balanced with following her cues to

> play and giving attention in ways that she likes. It's really about

> hurt feelings in the end and her feeling depersonalized.

> - A whiff of petrochemicals turns our son into a really challenging

> kid. Normally he's easy going.

> - For our daughter, corn creates horrible behavior. It's listed as

> one of her milder allergies, so this is kind of a surprise, but

it's

> consistent. Corn seems to act like casein for her. Our son will

more

> slowly manifest bad behavior in response to food allergens but our

> daughter's alarms go off immediatly.

Allergies and food issues are a biggie here. Corn or high phenols

can turn them into incredible meanies....but it has a familiar

pattern...but this seems to be a life style instead of an infraction.

That is what is bothering me.

thanks for posting for me.

Ronni

>

>

>

>

> >

> > I am running into a real issue.....at least to me. My kids,

> > 9,10,13..are turning into some of the most self centered selfish

> kids.

> > These 3 are on the spectrum...but recovering. We have been doing

> virus

> > removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

> > Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting

something

> new

> > and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors. I know it is

> > winter and everything seems worse since we are pretty much stuck

at

> > home because of driving conditions and cold....but sheesh....I

> wanna

> > run and hide!!! We just started a modified SCD diet about a week

> > ago...so maybe this is it....but it started before we went on the

> > diet...any input.. We have 9 kids total...so am not a rooky to

> > parenting. We are hoping to start chelation up this next week-

end

> if

> > the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

> > Appreciate your input

> > Ronni

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

We have been doing that...and they don't seem to get it. We

scheduled and put up and we are still getting the same miserable

behaviors. They seem to think they deserve whatever it is they want

regardless of the consequences to them or others... Giving them a

treat...it doesn't happen...they feel like they just deserve it...so

there are no treats....

Ronni

>

>

> Try making a rule that if they can't share something it gets put

away for the rest of the day (or week) and none of them gets to play

with it. Or set up a schedule for preferred toys/objects and use a

timer for when it's time to switch.

> S S

>

> behavior issues..please help

> Posted by: " ronnimike " HISSPECIALTOUCH@... ronnimike

> Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:35 am (PST)

> I am running into a real issue.....at least to me. My kids,

> 9,10,13..are turning into some of the most self centered selfish

kids.

> These 3 are on the spectrum...but recovering. We have been doing

virus

> removal and am hoping that this is the issue.

> Sharing is a forgotten idea, demanding behavior, wanting something

new

> and never satisfied...beyond their yeast behaviors. I know it is

> winter and everything seems worse since we are pretty much stuck at

> home because of driving conditions and cold....but sheesh....I

wanna

> run and hide!!! We just started a modified SCD diet about a week

> ago...so maybe this is it....but it started before we went on the

> diet...any input.. We have 9 kids total...so am not a rooky to

> parenting. We are hoping to start chelation up this next week-end

if

> the strep like virus we have been fighting will lay off.

> Appreciate your input

> Ronni

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ronni - I'm part american indian and I'm wondering

if by indian you mean american indian or other. I'd

love to meet some other folks like myself who are also

dealing with similar issues!!!!

Amy O

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I am a Lakota Indian. And these issues are much different for a NA

person for sure....feel free to email me if you like.

Ronni

>

> Hi Ronni - I'm part american indian and I'm wondering

> if by indian you mean american indian or other. I'd

> love to meet some other folks like myself who are also

> dealing with similar issues!!!!

> Amy O

>

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> Hmmm let's see Dana....a bunch of em for sure.

> I have not increased things very much or very fast, as they are just

> chocked full of viruses.

> 500 mg lysine X2

> olive leaf 1000 mg

> vitamin C....depends on the kiddo....1000 to 8000 mg...were at over

> 20 mgs...but the poopies started and this is where we are.

Once my kids no longer needed OLE, it did cause problems similar to

what you describe. Keep the lysine and vitamin C, drop the OLE, see

if that helps.

Another thing I recently discovered. Giving biotin after it is no

longer needed, will cause nasty, mean, aggressive behaviors [my kids

started pushing and biting each other]. B vitamins also did this once

they were no longer needed.

Also, as their lysine wears off, they tend to get giggly. At first I

thought it was yeast, because giggly usually meant yeast here, but

after quite a few days of giving a few drops of GSE and nothing

changing, I figured out that what it meant is that they needed their

next dose of lysine. Are you sure their " yeasty behaviors " are not

for this reason, and not because of yeast? Maybe try backing off on

the biotin [see previous paragraph].

Dana