Re: New File with Test Results on 4 Children; help pls? (Andy, someone?)

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>

> I made a new file " 4 Children's DDI Hair Test Results " . I hope

> someone can help with this. Here is some background on the children:

>

> 13yo boy is severely autistic, vacc'd up to 15m of age. Last DDI

> hair test was 5yrs ago & met all the counting rules then. Maybe I'm

> wrong but he doesn't seem to meet any now. We have done some

> chelation on & off through the past few years with several different

> chelators (DMSA/ALA, combined, DMPS, zeolites) - now I am chelating

> him with ALA alone, but not sure this is appropriate anymore given

> the test results. He definitely has major yeast issues & possible

> viral as well. There hasn't been much improvement over the years;

> he's totally non verbal, very " stimmy " , not potty trained. He is

> GFCF.

It doesn't meet counting rules, but the essentials are very low.

Certainly not a normal hair test result. Chelation may help.

Older kids take longer so you have a long road ahead. If you have

chelated on other protocols in the past, this also makes it harder.

The low Na/K ratio suggests a thyroid problem. He probably needs

some Armour. Serum thyroid tests are more informative, get free T3,

free T4, TSH.

> His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor, 4

> tmg (700mcg; with folic & b12), 1,000mg C, 200IU E, 50mcg Selenium,

> 50mg molybdenum, houston's No Fenol & HZP enzymes, 2500mcg biotin,

> 800mcg folic acid, 250mg OLE, aloe vera juice, 12 drops Liver Life,

> 1t Green Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops

> Custom Probiotic, 600mg taurine, 250mg magnesium, 250mg carnitine,

> 30mg CoQ10, 500mg lysine, 1 candidase, 20mg zinc, & just started low

> dose Nystatin this week.

He needs more more zinc, molybdenum, magnesium and would probably

benefit from more vitamin C, E - those are just a few I noticed.

Many of these need to be given 3-4 times per day, especially vit C,

B, minerals. See the supplement file for recommended supplements

and dosing.

> Two year old boy is non verbal, stimmy, & yeasty. Possible viral as

> well. Never vacc'd. Has had steroids & antibiotics in past from

> respitory & other issues. He's tested positive for yeast overgrowth.

> Tolerates hardly any foods (if any) & on modified SCD.

>

> His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 3 transfer factor,

> 500mg C, 500mcg DMG (with folic & b12), 125mg carnitine, 1t Green

> Pastures CLO, 1 packet Threelac, 1 baby scoop Custom Probiotic, 6

> drops Liver Life, 250mg lysine, 2500mcg biotin, 300mg taurine, 1mg

> K2, 400 mcg folic acid. He also gets GSE sometimes.

I've commented on this one elsewhere.

> The 9yo boy has " asperger like " qualities. Some have gotten better

> with age, some remain. Impulsive & lacking self control.

His hair test also looks abnormal, despite not meeting the counting

rules. Supplementation can make hair tests look more normal and

that may be what is happening with all these tests. He also has a

possible thyroid problem and blood tests will give you more

information.

> His supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor, 1,000mg

> C, 200IU E, 50mcg Selenium, 50mg molybdenum, 2500mcg biotin, 400mcg

> folic acid, aloe vera juice, 9 drops Liver Life, 1t Green Pastures

> CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom Probiotic,

> 125mg magnesium, 250mg carnitine, 20mg zinc. Just started trying

> Kirkman's B12.

Same comments as above.

> The 5yo girl is similar to 9yo boy. She's the only one who seems to

> meet any of the counting rules - 2 I believe? She has asperger's

> traits as well.

Yes, she meets counting rule 1. She has a possible adrenal sign.

It is not quite there (Ca and Mg are not close together), but you

may want to consider whether she needs some adrenal cortex - if

she has anxiety, poor response to stress, then she does.

> Her supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor, 500mg C,

> 2500mcg biotin, 400mcg folic acid, 5 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

> Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom

> Probiotic, 10mg zinc. Just started trying Kirkman's B12.

>

> The cobalt being so low on all of them; would this indicate B12

> would help them all?

Low hair cobalt does not mean they have low B12 levels. Lots of

kids do well with B12, though. If you want to try it, stick with

sublingual.

> Where would the tin be coming from for 2yo? I also still don't know

> why he's got more antimony & arsenic when he's the only one I've

> wrapped mattreses for. He's had the same exposures as everyone else

> otherwise. There have been the steroids, ab's. There were some paint

> & finishing fumes in very early preg., & some bug killer sprayed

> indoors later in preg. Could these have contributed?

Your other kids are not putting much essential or toxic elements

in their hair. That doesn't mean they don't have them, you just

aren't seeing an accurate representation of toxics in their hair.

Don't worry about the tin, it will go away when you get rid of

the mercury.

I would try chelating all of them. You can try ALA alone, you

may want to include DMSA or DMPS to help suppress side effects.

The 13yo, 9yo, and 5yo have the " all low " appearance to their

tests. Improving stomach acid levels is helpful in this case.

I would try giving ascorbic acid with meals and add some betaine

hcl as tolerated.

--

> Advise needed; thank you.

> Michele

>

[Guest guest]

,

Just wanted to thank you for being so good about helping with hair

tests.

Anne

> >

> > I made a new file " 4 Children's DDI Hair Test Results " . I hope

> > someone can help with this. Here is some background on the

children:

> >

> > 13yo boy is severely autistic, vacc'd up to 15m of age. Last DDI

> > hair test was 5yrs ago & met all the counting rules then. Maybe

I'm

> > wrong but he doesn't seem to meet any now. We have done some

> > chelation on & off through the past few years with several

different

> > chelators (DMSA/ALA, combined, DMPS, zeolites) - now I am

chelating

> > him with ALA alone, but not sure this is appropriate anymore

given

> > the test results. He definitely has major yeast issues & possible

> > viral as well. There hasn't been much improvement over the years;

> > he's totally non verbal, very " stimmy " , not potty trained. He is

> > GFCF.

>

>

> It doesn't meet counting rules, but the essentials are very low.

> Certainly not a normal hair test result. Chelation may help.

> Older kids take longer so you have a long road ahead. If you have

> chelated on other protocols in the past, this also makes it

harder.

>

> The low Na/K ratio suggests a thyroid problem. He probably needs

> some Armour. Serum thyroid tests are more informative, get free

T3,

> free T4, TSH.

>

>

> > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer

factor, 4

> > tmg (700mcg; with folic & b12), 1,000mg C, 200IU E, 50mcg

Selenium,

> > 50mg molybdenum, houston's No Fenol & HZP enzymes, 2500mcg

biotin,

> > 800mcg folic acid, 250mg OLE, aloe vera juice, 12 drops Liver

Life,

> > 1t Green Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops

> > Custom Probiotic, 600mg taurine, 250mg magnesium, 250mg

carnitine,

> > 30mg CoQ10, 500mg lysine, 1 candidase, 20mg zinc, & just started

low

> > dose Nystatin this week.

>

> He needs more more zinc, molybdenum, magnesium and would probably

> benefit from more vitamin C, E - those are just a few I noticed.

> Many of these need to be given 3-4 times per day, especially vit C,

> B, minerals. See the supplement file for recommended supplements

> and dosing.

>

>

> > Two year old boy is non verbal, stimmy, & yeasty. Possible viral

as

> > well. Never vacc'd. Has had steroids & antibiotics in past from

> > respitory & other issues. He's tested positive for yeast

overgrowth.

> > Tolerates hardly any foods (if any) & on modified SCD.

> >

> > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 3 transfer

factor,

> > 500mg C, 500mcg DMG (with folic & b12), 125mg carnitine, 1t Green

> > Pastures CLO, 1 packet Threelac, 1 baby scoop Custom Probiotic, 6

> > drops Liver Life, 250mg lysine, 2500mcg biotin, 300mg taurine,

1mg

> > K2, 400 mcg folic acid. He also gets GSE sometimes.

>

>

> I've commented on this one elsewhere.

>

>

> > The 9yo boy has " asperger like " qualities. Some have gotten

better

> > with age, some remain. Impulsive & lacking self control.

>

>

> His hair test also looks abnormal, despite not meeting the counting

> rules. Supplementation can make hair tests look more normal and

> that may be what is happening with all these tests. He also has a

> possible thyroid problem and blood tests will give you more

> information.

>

>

> > His supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

1,000mg

> > C, 200IU E, 50mcg Selenium, 50mg molybdenum, 2500mcg biotin,

400mcg

> > folic acid, aloe vera juice, 9 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

Pastures

> > CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom Probiotic,

> > 125mg magnesium, 250mg carnitine, 20mg zinc. Just started trying

> > Kirkman's B12.

>

> Same comments as above.

>

>

> > The 5yo girl is similar to 9yo boy. She's the only one who seems

to

> > meet any of the counting rules - 2 I believe? She has asperger's

> > traits as well.

>

>

> Yes, she meets counting rule 1. She has a possible adrenal sign.

> It is not quite there (Ca and Mg are not close together), but you

> may want to consider whether she needs some adrenal cortex - if

> she has anxiety, poor response to stress, then she does.

>

>

> > Her supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor, 500mg

C,

> > 2500mcg biotin, 400mcg folic acid, 5 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

> > Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom

> > Probiotic, 10mg zinc. Just started trying Kirkman's B12.

> >

> > The cobalt being so low on all of them; would this indicate B12

> > would help them all?

>

> Low hair cobalt does not mean they have low B12 levels. Lots of

> kids do well with B12, though. If you want to try it, stick with

> sublingual.

>

>

> > Where would the tin be coming from for 2yo? I also still don't

know

> > why he's got more antimony & arsenic when he's the only one I've

> > wrapped mattreses for. He's had the same exposures as everyone

else

> > otherwise. There have been the steroids, ab's. There were some

paint

> > & finishing fumes in very early preg., & some bug killer sprayed

> > indoors later in preg. Could these have contributed?

>

>

> Your other kids are not putting much essential or toxic elements

> in their hair. That doesn't mean they don't have them, you just

> aren't seeing an accurate representation of toxics in their hair.

>

> Don't worry about the tin, it will go away when you get rid of

> the mercury.

>

> I would try chelating all of them. You can try ALA alone, you

> may want to include DMSA or DMPS to help suppress side effects.

>

> The 13yo, 9yo, and 5yo have the " all low " appearance to their

> tests. Improving stomach acid levels is helpful in this case.

> I would try giving ascorbic acid with meals and add some betaine

> hcl as tolerated.

>

> --

>

>

>

> > Advise needed; thank you.

> > Michele

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anne,

You're welcome. I am happy to interpret hair tests based on

Andy's book when he is less available, and as I am able.

--

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you... a couple more questions if I could...

The 9yo is supposed to get braces. He has a space between two big

teeth that is closing up & there's a tooth needing to get up, so

they want to do a spacer, along with the braces. They are pushing

for this, saying that his mouth is already messed up so it needs to

be done quickly.

If he has a spacer & braces we cannot chelate, is that right?

If we decide to chelate first, how long to make a " dent " so to

speak, in a 9yo, so that we can get this spacer in for a while

anyway?

Also, being 3 of them have a bit of lead (still in green but there),

is DMSA preferred for them or will DMPS work too ?

If I cannot get much, if not any, more supps into the 2yo & possibly

the 5yo either, is chelation a problem with present supplementation?

(it is almost impossible to get much into the 2yo)

Thanks again...

Michele

> >

> > I made a new file " 4 Children's DDI Hair Test Results " . I hope

> > someone can help with this. Here is some background on the

children:

> >

> > 13yo boy is severely autistic, vacc'd up to 15m of age. Last DDI

> > hair test was 5yrs ago & met all the counting rules then. Maybe

I'm

> > wrong but he doesn't seem to meet any now. We have done some

> > chelation on & off through the past few years with several

different

> > chelators (DMSA/ALA, combined, DMPS, zeolites) - now I am

chelating

> > him with ALA alone, but not sure this is appropriate anymore

given

> > the test results. He definitely has major yeast issues &

possible

> > viral as well. There hasn't been much improvement over the

years;

> > he's totally non verbal, very " stimmy " , not potty trained. He is

> > GFCF.

>

>

> It doesn't meet counting rules, but the essentials are very low.

> Certainly not a normal hair test result. Chelation may help.

> Older kids take longer so you have a long road ahead. If you have

> chelated on other protocols in the past, this also makes it

harder.

>

> The low Na/K ratio suggests a thyroid problem. He probably needs

> some Armour. Serum thyroid tests are more informative, get free

T3,

> free T4, TSH.

>

>

> > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer

factor, 4

> > tmg (700mcg; with folic & b12), 1,000mg C, 200IU E, 50mcg

Selenium,

> > 50mg molybdenum, houston's No Fenol & HZP enzymes, 2500mcg

biotin,

> > 800mcg folic acid, 250mg OLE, aloe vera juice, 12 drops Liver

Life,

> > 1t Green Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops

> > Custom Probiotic, 600mg taurine, 250mg magnesium, 250mg

carnitine,

> > 30mg CoQ10, 500mg lysine, 1 candidase, 20mg zinc, & just started

low

> > dose Nystatin this week.

>

> He needs more more zinc, molybdenum, magnesium and would probably

> benefit from more vitamin C, E - those are just a few I noticed.

> Many of these need to be given 3-4 times per day, especially vit

C,

> B, minerals. See the supplement file for recommended supplements

> and dosing.

>

>

> > Two year old boy is non verbal, stimmy, & yeasty. Possible viral

as

> > well. Never vacc'd. Has had steroids & antibiotics in past from

> > respitory & other issues. He's tested positive for yeast

overgrowth.

> > Tolerates hardly any foods (if any) & on modified SCD.

> >

> > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 3 transfer

factor,

> > 500mg C, 500mcg DMG (with folic & b12), 125mg carnitine, 1t

Green

> > Pastures CLO, 1 packet Threelac, 1 baby scoop Custom Probiotic,

6

> > drops Liver Life, 250mg lysine, 2500mcg biotin, 300mg taurine,

1mg

> > K2, 400 mcg folic acid. He also gets GSE sometimes.

>

>

> I've commented on this one elsewhere.

>

>

> > The 9yo boy has " asperger like " qualities. Some have gotten

better

> > with age, some remain. Impulsive & lacking self control.

>

>

> His hair test also looks abnormal, despite not meeting the

counting

> rules. Supplementation can make hair tests look more normal and

> that may be what is happening with all these tests. He also has a

> possible thyroid problem and blood tests will give you more

> information.

>

>

> > His supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

1,000mg

> > C, 200IU E, 50mcg Selenium, 50mg molybdenum, 2500mcg biotin,

400mcg

> > folic acid, aloe vera juice, 9 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

Pastures

> > CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom Probiotic,

> > 125mg magnesium, 250mg carnitine, 20mg zinc. Just started trying

> > Kirkman's B12.

>

> Same comments as above.

>

>

> > The 5yo girl is similar to 9yo boy. She's the only one who seems

to

> > meet any of the counting rules - 2 I believe? She has asperger's

> > traits as well.

>

>

> Yes, she meets counting rule 1. She has a possible adrenal sign.

> It is not quite there (Ca and Mg are not close together), but you

> may want to consider whether she needs some adrenal cortex - if

> she has anxiety, poor response to stress, then she does.

>

>

> > Her supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor, 500mg

C,

> > 2500mcg biotin, 400mcg folic acid, 5 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

> > Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom

> > Probiotic, 10mg zinc. Just started trying Kirkman's B12.

> >

> > The cobalt being so low on all of them; would this indicate B12

> > would help them all?

>

> Low hair cobalt does not mean they have low B12 levels. Lots of

> kids do well with B12, though. If you want to try it, stick with

> sublingual.

>

>

> > Where would the tin be coming from for 2yo? I also still don't

know

> > why he's got more antimony & arsenic when he's the only one I've

> > wrapped mattreses for. He's had the same exposures as everyone

else

> > otherwise. There have been the steroids, ab's. There were some

paint

> > & finishing fumes in very early preg., & some bug killer sprayed

> > indoors later in preg. Could these have contributed?

>

>

> Your other kids are not putting much essential or toxic elements

> in their hair. That doesn't mean they don't have them, you just

> aren't seeing an accurate representation of toxics in their hair.

>

> Don't worry about the tin, it will go away when you get rid of

> the mercury.

>

> I would try chelating all of them. You can try ALA alone, you

> may want to include DMSA or DMPS to help suppress side effects.

>

> The 13yo, 9yo, and 5yo have the " all low " appearance to their

> tests. Improving stomach acid levels is helpful in this case.

> I would try giving ascorbic acid with meals and add some betaine

> hcl as tolerated.

>

> --

>

>

>

> > Advise needed; thank you.

> > Michele

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I made a new file " 4 Children's DDI Hair Test Results " . I hope

> > > someone can help with this. Here is some background on the

> children:

> > >

> > > 13yo boy is severely autistic, vacc'd up to 15m of age. Last DDI

> > > hair test was 5yrs ago & met all the counting rules then. Maybe

> I'm

> > > wrong but he doesn't seem to meet any now. We have done some

> > > chelation on & off through the past few years with several

> different

> > > chelators (DMSA/ALA, combined, DMPS, zeolites) - now I am

> chelating

> > > him with ALA alone, but not sure this is appropriate anymore

> given

> > > the test results. He definitely has major yeast issues &

> possible

> > > viral as well. There hasn't been much improvement over the

> years;

> > > he's totally non verbal, very " stimmy " , not potty trained. He is

> > > GFCF.

> >

> >

> > It doesn't meet counting rules, but the essentials are very low.

> > Certainly not a normal hair test result. Chelation may help.

> > Older kids take longer so you have a long road ahead. If you have

> > chelated on other protocols in the past, this also makes it

> harder.

> >

> > The low Na/K ratio suggests a thyroid problem. He probably needs

> > some Armour. Serum thyroid tests are more informative, get free

> T3,

> > free T4, TSH.

> >

> >

> > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer

> factor, 4

> > > tmg (700mcg; with folic & b12), 1,000mg C, 200IU E, 50mcg

> Selenium,

> > > 50mg molybdenum, houston's No Fenol & HZP enzymes, 2500mcg

> biotin,

> > > 800mcg folic acid, 250mg OLE, aloe vera juice, 12 drops Liver

> Life,

> > > 1t Green Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops

> > > Custom Probiotic, 600mg taurine, 250mg magnesium, 250mg

> carnitine,

> > > 30mg CoQ10, 500mg lysine, 1 candidase, 20mg zinc, & just started

> low

> > > dose Nystatin this week.

> >

> > He needs more more zinc, molybdenum, magnesium and would probably

> > benefit from more vitamin C, E - those are just a few I noticed.

> > Many of these need to be given 3-4 times per day, especially vit

> C,

> > B, minerals. See the supplement file for recommended supplements

> > and dosing.

> >

> >

> > > Two year old boy is non verbal, stimmy, & yeasty. Possible viral

> as

> > > well. Never vacc'd. Has had steroids & antibiotics in past from

> > > respitory & other issues. He's tested positive for yeast

> overgrowth.

> > > Tolerates hardly any foods (if any) & on modified SCD.

> > >

> > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 3 transfer

> factor,

> > > 500mg C, 500mcg DMG (with folic & b12), 125mg carnitine, 1t

> Green

> > > Pastures CLO, 1 packet Threelac, 1 baby scoop Custom Probiotic,

> 6

> > > drops Liver Life, 250mg lysine, 2500mcg biotin, 300mg taurine,

> 1mg

> > > K2, 400 mcg folic acid. He also gets GSE sometimes.

> >

> >

> > I've commented on this one elsewhere.

> >

> >

> > > The 9yo boy has " asperger like " qualities. Some have gotten

> better

> > > with age, some remain. Impulsive & lacking self control.

> >

> >

> > His hair test also looks abnormal, despite not meeting the

> counting

> > rules. Supplementation can make hair tests look more normal and

> > that may be what is happening with all these tests. He also has a

> > possible thyroid problem and blood tests will give you more

> > information.

> >

> >

> > > His supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

> 1,000mg

> > > C, 200IU E, 50mcg Selenium, 50mg molybdenum, 2500mcg biotin,

> 400mcg

> > > folic acid, aloe vera juice, 9 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

> Pastures

> > > CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom Probiotic,

> > > 125mg magnesium, 250mg carnitine, 20mg zinc. Just started trying

> > > Kirkman's B12.

> >

> > Same comments as above.

> >

> >

> > > The 5yo girl is similar to 9yo boy. She's the only one who seems

> to

> > > meet any of the counting rules - 2 I believe? She has asperger's

> > > traits as well.

> >

> >

> > Yes, she meets counting rule 1. She has a possible adrenal sign.

> > It is not quite there (Ca and Mg are not close together), but you

> > may want to consider whether she needs some adrenal cortex - if

> > she has anxiety, poor response to stress, then she does.

> >

> >

> > > Her supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor, 500mg

> C,

> > > 2500mcg biotin, 400mcg folic acid, 5 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

> > > Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom

> > > Probiotic, 10mg zinc. Just started trying Kirkman's B12.

> > >

> > > The cobalt being so low on all of them; would this indicate B12

> > > would help them all?

> >

> > Low hair cobalt does not mean they have low B12 levels. Lots of

> > kids do well with B12, though. If you want to try it, stick with

> > sublingual.

> >

> >

> > > Where would the tin be coming from for 2yo? I also still don't

> know

> > > why he's got more antimony & arsenic when he's the only one I've

> > > wrapped mattreses for. He's had the same exposures as everyone

> else

> > > otherwise. There have been the steroids, ab's. There were some

> paint

> > > & finishing fumes in very early preg., & some bug killer sprayed

> > > indoors later in preg. Could these have contributed?

> >

> >

> > Your other kids are not putting much essential or toxic elements

> > in their hair. That doesn't mean they don't have them, you just

> > aren't seeing an accurate representation of toxics in their hair.

> >

> > Don't worry about the tin, it will go away when you get rid of

> > the mercury.

> >

> > I would try chelating all of them. You can try ALA alone, you

> > may want to include DMSA or DMPS to help suppress side effects.

> >

> > The 13yo, 9yo, and 5yo have the " all low " appearance to their

> > tests. Improving stomach acid levels is helpful in this case.

> > I would try giving ascorbic acid with meals and add some betaine

> > hcl as tolerated.

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> > > Advise needed; thank you.

> > > Michele

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He has fillings, but no amalgams (nothing silver). The others have

no fillings at all.

Thanks, Michele

> > > >

> > > > I made a new file " 4 Children's DDI Hair Test Results " . I

hope

> > > > someone can help with this. Here is some background on the

> > children:

> > > >

> > > > 13yo boy is severely autistic, vacc'd up to 15m of age. Last

DDI

> > > > hair test was 5yrs ago & met all the counting rules then.

Maybe

> > I'm

> > > > wrong but he doesn't seem to meet any now. We have done some

> > > > chelation on & off through the past few years with several

> > different

> > > > chelators (DMSA/ALA, combined, DMPS, zeolites) - now I am

> > chelating

> > > > him with ALA alone, but not sure this is appropriate anymore

> > given

> > > > the test results. He definitely has major yeast issues &

> > possible

> > > > viral as well. There hasn't been much improvement over the

> > years;

> > > > he's totally non verbal, very " stimmy " , not potty trained.

He is

> > > > GFCF.

> > >

> > >

> > > It doesn't meet counting rules, but the essentials are very

low.

> > > Certainly not a normal hair test result. Chelation may help.

> > > Older kids take longer so you have a long road ahead. If you

have

> > > chelated on other protocols in the past, this also makes it

> > harder.

> > >

> > > The low Na/K ratio suggests a thyroid problem. He probably

needs

> > > some Armour. Serum thyroid tests are more informative, get

free

> > T3,

> > > free T4, TSH.

> > >

> > >

> > > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer

> > factor, 4

> > > > tmg (700mcg; with folic & b12), 1,000mg C, 200IU E, 50mcg

> > Selenium,

> > > > 50mg molybdenum, houston's No Fenol & HZP enzymes, 2500mcg

> > biotin,

> > > > 800mcg folic acid, 250mg OLE, aloe vera juice, 12 drops

Liver

> > Life,

> > > > 1t Green Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby

scoops

> > > > Custom Probiotic, 600mg taurine, 250mg magnesium, 250mg

> > carnitine,

> > > > 30mg CoQ10, 500mg lysine, 1 candidase, 20mg zinc, & just

started

> > low

> > > > dose Nystatin this week.

> > >

> > > He needs more more zinc, molybdenum, magnesium and would

probably

> > > benefit from more vitamin C, E - those are just a few I

noticed.

> > > Many of these need to be given 3-4 times per day, especially

vit

> > C,

> > > B, minerals. See the supplement file for recommended

supplements

> > > and dosing.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Two year old boy is non verbal, stimmy, & yeasty. Possible

viral

> > as

> > > > well. Never vacc'd. Has had steroids & antibiotics in past

from

> > > > respitory & other issues. He's tested positive for yeast

> > overgrowth.

> > > > Tolerates hardly any foods (if any) & on modified SCD.

> > > >

> > > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 3 transfer

> > factor,

> > > > 500mg C, 500mcg DMG (with folic & b12), 125mg carnitine, 1t

> > Green

> > > > Pastures CLO, 1 packet Threelac, 1 baby scoop Custom

Probiotic,

> > 6

> > > > drops Liver Life, 250mg lysine, 2500mcg biotin, 300mg

taurine,

> > 1mg

> > > > K2, 400 mcg folic acid. He also gets GSE sometimes.

> > >

> > >

> > > I've commented on this one elsewhere.

> > >

> > >

> > > > The 9yo boy has " asperger like " qualities. Some have gotten

> > better

> > > > with age, some remain. Impulsive & lacking self control.

> > >

> > >

> > > His hair test also looks abnormal, despite not meeting the

> > counting

> > > rules. Supplementation can make hair tests look more normal

and

> > > that may be what is happening with all these tests. He also

has a

> > > possible thyroid problem and blood tests will give you more

> > > information.

> > >

> > >

> > > > His supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

> > 1,000mg

> > > > C, 200IU E, 50mcg Selenium, 50mg molybdenum, 2500mcg biotin,

> > 400mcg

> > > > folic acid, aloe vera juice, 9 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

> > Pastures

> > > > CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom

Probiotic,

> > > > 125mg magnesium, 250mg carnitine, 20mg zinc. Just started

trying

> > > > Kirkman's B12.

> > >

> > > Same comments as above.

> > >

> > >

> > > > The 5yo girl is similar to 9yo boy. She's the only one who

seems

> > to

> > > > meet any of the counting rules - 2 I believe? She has

asperger's

> > > > traits as well.

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, she meets counting rule 1. She has a possible adrenal

sign.

> > > It is not quite there (Ca and Mg are not close together), but

you

> > > may want to consider whether she needs some adrenal cortex -

if

> > > she has anxiety, poor response to stress, then she does.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Her supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

500mg

> > C,

> > > > 2500mcg biotin, 400mcg folic acid, 5 drops Liver Life, 1t

Green

> > > > Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops

Custom

> > > > Probiotic, 10mg zinc. Just started trying Kirkman's B12.

> > > >

> > > > The cobalt being so low on all of them; would this indicate

B12

> > > > would help them all?

> > >

> > > Low hair cobalt does not mean they have low B12 levels. Lots

of

> > > kids do well with B12, though. If you want to try it, stick

with

> > > sublingual.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Where would the tin be coming from for 2yo? I also still

don't

> > know

> > > > why he's got more antimony & arsenic when he's the only one

I've

> > > > wrapped mattreses for. He's had the same exposures as

everyone

> > else

> > > > otherwise. There have been the steroids, ab's. There were

some

> > paint

> > > > & finishing fumes in very early preg., & some bug killer

sprayed

> > > > indoors later in preg. Could these have contributed?

> > >

> > >

> > > Your other kids are not putting much essential or toxic

elements

> > > in their hair. That doesn't mean they don't have them, you

just

> > > aren't seeing an accurate representation of toxics in their

hair.

> > >

> > > Don't worry about the tin, it will go away when you get rid of

> > > the mercury.

> > >

> > > I would try chelating all of them. You can try ALA alone, you

> > > may want to include DMSA or DMPS to help suppress side effects.

> > >

> > > The 13yo, 9yo, and 5yo have the " all low " appearance to their

> > > tests. Improving stomach acid levels is helpful in this

case.

> > > I would try giving ascorbic acid with meals and add some

betaine

> > > hcl as tolerated.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Advise needed; thank you.

> > > > Michele

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just to be clear, they should be tooth-colored fillings.

Amalgams aren't always silver, they can turn dark or black.

--

> > >

> > > Thank you... a couple more questions if I could...

> > >

> > > The 9yo is supposed to get braces. He has a space between two

> big

> > > teeth that is closing up & there's a tooth needing to get up, so

> > > they want to do a spacer, along with the braces. They are

> pushing

> > > for this, saying that his mouth is already messed up so it needs

> to

> > > be done quickly.

> > >

> > > If he has a spacer & braces we cannot chelate, is that right?

> >

> >

> > Here is what Andy has to say:

> >

> > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/141657.html

> >

> >

> > You do certainly want to be sure they don't have any amalgam

> > fillings! If they do, you must replace those before doing

> > any chelation, and before getting any braces. (Having braces

> > with amalgams is one of the things that made me very, very

> > toxic.)

> >

[Guest guest]

They're white; composites... some type of plastic I believe?

Thanks, Michele

> > > >

> > > > Thank you... a couple more questions if I could...

> > > >

> > > > The 9yo is supposed to get braces. He has a space between

two

> > big

> > > > teeth that is closing up & there's a tooth needing to get

up, so

> > > > they want to do a spacer, along with the braces. They are

> > pushing

> > > > for this, saying that his mouth is already messed up so it

needs

> > to

> > > > be done quickly.

> > > >

> > > > If he has a spacer & braces we cannot chelate, is that right?

> > >

> > >

> > > Here is what Andy has to say:

> > >

> > > http://onibasu.com/archives/am/141657.html

> > >

> > >

> > > You do certainly want to be sure they don't have any amalgam

> > > fillings! If they do, you must replace those before doing

> > > any chelation, and before getting any braces. (Having braces

> > > with amalgams is one of the things that made me very, very

> > > toxic.)

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

My 2yo hardly eats any wet foods. He's getting picky about his goat

yogurt in the AM too lately, which is a disaster if he stops eating

as that's the only way I'm getting any supps into him right now. I

can maybe slip something into some applesauce one more time in the

day, but 3-4 times I just don't know how I'm gonna find a way to get

it into him. Even with some force he just spits things out. He

cannot be reasoned with & is non verbal.

Anyone have a little one like this?

Michele

> > > >

> > > > I made a new file " 4 Children's DDI Hair Test Results " . I

hope

> > > > someone can help with this. Here is some background on the

> > children:

> > > >

> > > > 13yo boy is severely autistic, vacc'd up to 15m of age. Last

DDI

> > > > hair test was 5yrs ago & met all the counting rules then.

Maybe

> > I'm

> > > > wrong but he doesn't seem to meet any now. We have done some

> > > > chelation on & off through the past few years with several

> > different

> > > > chelators (DMSA/ALA, combined, DMPS, zeolites) - now I am

> > chelating

> > > > him with ALA alone, but not sure this is appropriate anymore

> > given

> > > > the test results. He definitely has major yeast issues &

> > possible

> > > > viral as well. There hasn't been much improvement over the

> > years;

> > > > he's totally non verbal, very " stimmy " , not potty trained.

He is

> > > > GFCF.

> > >

> > >

> > > It doesn't meet counting rules, but the essentials are very

low.

> > > Certainly not a normal hair test result. Chelation may help.

> > > Older kids take longer so you have a long road ahead. If you

have

> > > chelated on other protocols in the past, this also makes it

> > harder.

> > >

> > > The low Na/K ratio suggests a thyroid problem. He probably

needs

> > > some Armour. Serum thyroid tests are more informative, get

free

> > T3,

> > > free T4, TSH.

> > >

> > >

> > > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer

> > factor, 4

> > > > tmg (700mcg; with folic & b12), 1,000mg C, 200IU E, 50mcg

> > Selenium,

> > > > 50mg molybdenum, houston's No Fenol & HZP enzymes, 2500mcg

> > biotin,

> > > > 800mcg folic acid, 250mg OLE, aloe vera juice, 12 drops

Liver

> > Life,

> > > > 1t Green Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby

scoops

> > > > Custom Probiotic, 600mg taurine, 250mg magnesium, 250mg

> > carnitine,

> > > > 30mg CoQ10, 500mg lysine, 1 candidase, 20mg zinc, & just

started

> > low

> > > > dose Nystatin this week.

> > >

> > > He needs more more zinc, molybdenum, magnesium and would

probably

> > > benefit from more vitamin C, E - those are just a few I

noticed.

> > > Many of these need to be given 3-4 times per day, especially

vit

> > C,

> > > B, minerals. See the supplement file for recommended

supplements

> > > and dosing.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Two year old boy is non verbal, stimmy, & yeasty. Possible

viral

> > as

> > > > well. Never vacc'd. Has had steroids & antibiotics in past

from

> > > > respitory & other issues. He's tested positive for yeast

> > overgrowth.

> > > > Tolerates hardly any foods (if any) & on modified SCD.

> > > >

> > > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 3 transfer

> > factor,

> > > > 500mg C, 500mcg DMG (with folic & b12), 125mg carnitine, 1t

> > Green

> > > > Pastures CLO, 1 packet Threelac, 1 baby scoop Custom

Probiotic,

> > 6

> > > > drops Liver Life, 250mg lysine, 2500mcg biotin, 300mg

taurine,

> > 1mg

> > > > K2, 400 mcg folic acid. He also gets GSE sometimes.

> > >

> > >

> > > I've commented on this one elsewhere.

> > >

> > >

> > > > The 9yo boy has " asperger like " qualities. Some have gotten

> > better

> > > > with age, some remain. Impulsive & lacking self control.

> > >

> > >

> > > His hair test also looks abnormal, despite not meeting the

> > counting

> > > rules. Supplementation can make hair tests look more normal

and

> > > that may be what is happening with all these tests. He also

has a

> > > possible thyroid problem and blood tests will give you more

> > > information.

> > >

> > >

> > > > His supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

> > 1,000mg

> > > > C, 200IU E, 50mcg Selenium, 50mg molybdenum, 2500mcg biotin,

> > 400mcg

> > > > folic acid, aloe vera juice, 9 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

> > Pastures

> > > > CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom

Probiotic,

> > > > 125mg magnesium, 250mg carnitine, 20mg zinc. Just started

trying

> > > > Kirkman's B12.

> > >

> > > Same comments as above.

> > >

> > >

> > > > The 5yo girl is similar to 9yo boy. She's the only one who

seems

> > to

> > > > meet any of the counting rules - 2 I believe? She has

asperger's

> > > > traits as well.

> > >

> > >

> > > Yes, she meets counting rule 1. She has a possible adrenal

sign.

> > > It is not quite there (Ca and Mg are not close together), but

you

> > > may want to consider whether she needs some adrenal cortex -

if

> > > she has anxiety, poor response to stress, then she does.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Her supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

500mg

> > C,

> > > > 2500mcg biotin, 400mcg folic acid, 5 drops Liver Life, 1t

Green

> > > > Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops

Custom

> > > > Probiotic, 10mg zinc. Just started trying Kirkman's B12.

> > > >

> > > > The cobalt being so low on all of them; would this indicate

B12

> > > > would help them all?

> > >

> > > Low hair cobalt does not mean they have low B12 levels. Lots

of

> > > kids do well with B12, though. If you want to try it, stick

with

> > > sublingual.

> > >

> > >

> > > > Where would the tin be coming from for 2yo? I also still

don't

> > know

> > > > why he's got more antimony & arsenic when he's the only one

I've

> > > > wrapped mattreses for. He's had the same exposures as

everyone

> > else

> > > > otherwise. There have been the steroids, ab's. There were

some

> > paint

> > > > & finishing fumes in very early preg., & some bug killer

sprayed

> > > > indoors later in preg. Could these have contributed?

> > >

> > >

> > > Your other kids are not putting much essential or toxic

elements

> > > in their hair. That doesn't mean they don't have them, you

just

> > > aren't seeing an accurate representation of toxics in their

hair.

> > >

> > > Don't worry about the tin, it will go away when you get rid of

> > > the mercury.

> > >

> > > I would try chelating all of them. You can try ALA alone, you

> > > may want to include DMSA or DMPS to help suppress side effects.

> > >

> > > The 13yo, 9yo, and 5yo have the " all low " appearance to their

> > > tests. Improving stomach acid levels is helpful in this

case.

> > > I would try giving ascorbic acid with meals and add some

betaine

> > > hcl as tolerated.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Advise needed; thank you.

> > > > Michele

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We used to reward our little one with anything that made him laugh,

i.e. funny dances, funny faces, etc., but I can see how that might

not work for a lot of people.

Anne

> > > > >

> > > > > I made a new file " 4 Children's DDI Hair Test Results " . I

> hope

> > > > > someone can help with this. Here is some background on the

> > > children:

> > > > >

> > > > > 13yo boy is severely autistic, vacc'd up to 15m of age.

Last

> DDI

> > > > > hair test was 5yrs ago & met all the counting rules then.

> Maybe

> > > I'm

> > > > > wrong but he doesn't seem to meet any now. We have done

some

> > > > > chelation on & off through the past few years with several

> > > different

> > > > > chelators (DMSA/ALA, combined, DMPS, zeolites) - now I am

> > > chelating

> > > > > him with ALA alone, but not sure this is appropriate

anymore

> > > given

> > > > > the test results. He definitely has major yeast issues &

> > > possible

> > > > > viral as well. There hasn't been much improvement over the

> > > years;

> > > > > he's totally non verbal, very " stimmy " , not potty trained.

> He is

> > > > > GFCF.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It doesn't meet counting rules, but the essentials are very

> low.

> > > > Certainly not a normal hair test result. Chelation may help.

> > > > Older kids take longer so you have a long road ahead. If you

> have

> > > > chelated on other protocols in the past, this also makes it

> > > harder.

> > > >

> > > > The low Na/K ratio suggests a thyroid problem. He probably

> needs

> > > > some Armour. Serum thyroid tests are more informative, get

> free

> > > T3,

> > > > free T4, TSH.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer

> > > factor, 4

> > > > > tmg (700mcg; with folic & b12), 1,000mg C, 200IU E, 50mcg

> > > Selenium,

> > > > > 50mg molybdenum, houston's No Fenol & HZP enzymes, 2500mcg

> > > biotin,

> > > > > 800mcg folic acid, 250mg OLE, aloe vera juice, 12 drops

> Liver

> > > Life,

> > > > > 1t Green Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby

> scoops

> > > > > Custom Probiotic, 600mg taurine, 250mg magnesium, 250mg

> > > carnitine,

> > > > > 30mg CoQ10, 500mg lysine, 1 candidase, 20mg zinc, & just

> started

> > > low

> > > > > dose Nystatin this week.

> > > >

> > > > He needs more more zinc, molybdenum, magnesium and would

> probably

> > > > benefit from more vitamin C, E - those are just a few I

> noticed.

> > > > Many of these need to be given 3-4 times per day, especially

> vit

> > > C,

> > > > B, minerals. See the supplement file for recommended

> supplements

> > > > and dosing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Two year old boy is non verbal, stimmy, & yeasty. Possible

> viral

> > > as

> > > > > well. Never vacc'd. Has had steroids & antibiotics in past

> from

> > > > > respitory & other issues. He's tested positive for yeast

> > > overgrowth.

> > > > > Tolerates hardly any foods (if any) & on modified SCD.

> > > > >

> > > > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 3 transfer

> > > factor,

> > > > > 500mg C, 500mcg DMG (with folic & b12), 125mg carnitine, 1t

> > > Green

> > > > > Pastures CLO, 1 packet Threelac, 1 baby scoop Custom

> Probiotic,

> > > 6

> > > > > drops Liver Life, 250mg lysine, 2500mcg biotin, 300mg

> taurine,

> > > 1mg

> > > > > K2, 400 mcg folic acid. He also gets GSE sometimes.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I've commented on this one elsewhere.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > The 9yo boy has " asperger like " qualities. Some have gotten

> > > better

> > > > > with age, some remain. Impulsive & lacking self control.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > His hair test also looks abnormal, despite not meeting the

> > > counting

> > > > rules. Supplementation can make hair tests look more normal

> and

> > > > that may be what is happening with all these tests. He also

> has a

> > > > possible thyroid problem and blood tests will give you more

> > > > information.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > His supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

> > > 1,000mg

> > > > > C, 200IU E, 50mcg Selenium, 50mg molybdenum, 2500mcg

biotin,

> > > 400mcg

> > > > > folic acid, aloe vera juice, 9 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

> > > Pastures

> > > > > CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom

> Probiotic,

> > > > > 125mg magnesium, 250mg carnitine, 20mg zinc. Just started

> trying

> > > > > Kirkman's B12.

> > > >

> > > > Same comments as above.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > The 5yo girl is similar to 9yo boy. She's the only one who

> seems

> > > to

> > > > > meet any of the counting rules - 2 I believe? She has

> asperger's

> > > > > traits as well.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes, she meets counting rule 1. She has a possible adrenal

> sign.

> > > > It is not quite there (Ca and Mg are not close together), but

> you

> > > > may want to consider whether she needs some adrenal cortex -

> if

> > > > she has anxiety, poor response to stress, then she does.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Her supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

> 500mg

> > > C,

> > > > > 2500mcg biotin, 400mcg folic acid, 5 drops Liver Life, 1t

> Green

> > > > > Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops

> Custom

> > > > > Probiotic, 10mg zinc. Just started trying Kirkman's B12.

> > > > >

> > > > > The cobalt being so low on all of them; would this indicate

> B12

> > > > > would help them all?

> > > >

> > > > Low hair cobalt does not mean they have low B12 levels. Lots

> of

> > > > kids do well with B12, though. If you want to try it, stick

> with

> > > > sublingual.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Where would the tin be coming from for 2yo? I also still

> don't

> > > know

> > > > > why he's got more antimony & arsenic when he's the only one

> I've

> > > > > wrapped mattreses for. He's had the same exposures as

> everyone

> > > else

> > > > > otherwise. There have been the steroids, ab's. There were

> some

> > > paint

> > > > > & finishing fumes in very early preg., & some bug killer

> sprayed

> > > > > indoors later in preg. Could these have contributed?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your other kids are not putting much essential or toxic

> elements

> > > > in their hair. That doesn't mean they don't have them, you

> just

> > > > aren't seeing an accurate representation of toxics in their

> hair.

> > > >

> > > > Don't worry about the tin, it will go away when you get rid

of

> > > > the mercury.

> > > >

> > > > I would try chelating all of them. You can try ALA alone,

you

> > > > may want to include DMSA or DMPS to help suppress side

effects.

> > > >

> > > > The 13yo, 9yo, and 5yo have the " all low " appearance to their

> > > > tests. Improving stomach acid levels is helpful in this

> case.

> > > > I would try giving ascorbic acid with meals and add some

> betaine

> > > > hcl as tolerated.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Advise needed; thank you.

> > > > > Michele

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Entertaining didn't work for us, ours was very anorexic. My lowest point came

when she was three and I found myself feeding her ice cream for breakfast just

to get something in her stomach.

Although chelation cured this permanently, here are some of the things that

helped. Zinc at weight + 20 mgs perked up her appetite a bit. Lots of probiotics

also helped, lots and lots. I hate to mention thiamine (lol) B1, but this also

helped, particularly in the Benfotiamine form.

We got smart and started putting raw egg yolks and some fruit in her morning ice

cream, without her seeing, of course. Use whatever you can to get some food down

him that he won't react to. Luckily we didn't have any food restrictions, so

sometimes we used eggs, bananas and chocolate syrup in the ice cream.

Sounds bizarre but when you get desperate, you do what you have to.

We fed her every single bite of food until she was 4 1/2, taking turns. We

thought we would have to go to kindergarten at lunch time and feed her but with

chelation, this stopped forever.

I sympathize, I know how hard this is.

[ ] Re: New File with Test Results on 4 Children; help

pls? (Andy, someone?)

We used to reward our little one with anything that made him laugh,

i.e. funny dances, funny faces, etc., but I can see how that might

not work for a lot of people.

Anne

> > > > >

> > > > > I made a new file " 4 Children's DDI Hair Test Results " . I

> hope

> > > > > someone can help with this. Here is some background on the

> > > children:

> > > > >

> > > > > 13yo boy is severely autistic, vacc'd up to 15m of age.

Last

> DDI

> > > > > hair test was 5yrs ago & met all the counting rules then.

> Maybe

> > > I'm

> > > > > wrong but he doesn't seem to meet any now. We have done

some

> > > > > chelation on & off through the past few years with several

> > > different

> > > > > chelators (DMSA/ALA, combined, DMPS, zeolites) - now I am

> > > chelating

> > > > > him with ALA alone, but not sure this is appropriate

anymore

> > > given

> > > > > the test results. He definitely has major yeast issues &

> > > possible

> > > > > viral as well. There hasn't been much improvement over the

> > > years;

> > > > > he's totally non verbal, very " stimmy " , not potty trained.

> He is

> > > > > GFCF.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It doesn't meet counting rules, but the essentials are very

> low.

> > > > Certainly not a normal hair test result. Chelation may help.

> > > > Older kids take longer so you have a long road ahead. If you

> have

> > > > chelated on other protocols in the past, this also makes it

> > > harder.

> > > >

> > > > The low Na/K ratio suggests a thyroid problem. He probably

> needs

> > > > some Armour. Serum thyroid tests are more informative, get

> free

> > > T3,

> > > > free T4, TSH.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer

> > > factor, 4

> > > > > tmg (700mcg; with folic & b12), 1,000mg C, 200IU E, 50mcg

> > > Selenium,

> > > > > 50mg molybdenum, houston's No Fenol & HZP enzymes, 2500mcg

> > > biotin,

> > > > > 800mcg folic acid, 250mg OLE, aloe vera juice, 12 drops

> Liver

> > > Life,

> > > > > 1t Green Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby

> scoops

> > > > > Custom Probiotic, 600mg taurine, 250mg magnesium, 250mg

> > > carnitine,

> > > > > 30mg CoQ10, 500mg lysine, 1 candidase, 20mg zinc, & just

> started

> > > low

> > > > > dose Nystatin this week.

> > > >

> > > > He needs more more zinc, molybdenum, magnesium and would

> probably

> > > > benefit from more vitamin C, E - those are just a few I

> noticed.

> > > > Many of these need to be given 3-4 times per day, especially

> vit

> > > C,

> > > > B, minerals. See the supplement file for recommended

> supplements

> > > > and dosing.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Two year old boy is non verbal, stimmy, & yeasty. Possible

> viral

> > > as

> > > > > well. Never vacc'd. Has had steroids & antibiotics in past

> from

> > > > > respitory & other issues. He's tested positive for yeast

> > > overgrowth.

> > > > > Tolerates hardly any foods (if any) & on modified SCD.

> > > > >

> > > > > His present supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 3 transfer

> > > factor,

> > > > > 500mg C, 500mcg DMG (with folic & b12), 125mg carnitine, 1t

> > > Green

> > > > > Pastures CLO, 1 packet Threelac, 1 baby scoop Custom

> Probiotic,

> > > 6

> > > > > drops Liver Life, 250mg lysine, 2500mcg biotin, 300mg

> taurine,

> > > 1mg

> > > > > K2, 400 mcg folic acid. He also gets GSE sometimes.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I've commented on this one elsewhere.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > The 9yo boy has " asperger like " qualities. Some have gotten

> > > better

> > > > > with age, some remain. Impulsive & lacking self control.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > His hair test also looks abnormal, despite not meeting the

> > > counting

> > > > rules. Supplementation can make hair tests look more normal

> and

> > > > that may be what is happening with all these tests. He also

> has a

> > > > possible thyroid problem and blood tests will give you more

> > > > information.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > His supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

> > > 1,000mg

> > > > > C, 200IU E, 50mcg Selenium, 50mg molybdenum, 2500mcg

biotin,

> > > 400mcg

> > > > > folic acid, aloe vera juice, 9 drops Liver Life, 1t Green

> > > Pastures

> > > > > CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops Custom

> Probiotic,

> > > > > 125mg magnesium, 250mg carnitine, 20mg zinc. Just started

> trying

> > > > > Kirkman's B12.

> > > >

> > > > Same comments as above.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > The 5yo girl is similar to 9yo boy. She's the only one who

> seems

> > > to

> > > > > meet any of the counting rules - 2 I believe? She has

> asperger's

> > > > > traits as well.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes, she meets counting rule 1. She has a possible adrenal

> sign.

> > > > It is not quite there (Ca and Mg are not close together), but

> you

> > > > may want to consider whether she needs some adrenal cortex -

> if

> > > > she has anxiety, poor response to stress, then she does.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Her supps are: Spectrum Complete multi, 2 transfer factor,

> 500mg

> > > C,

> > > > > 2500mcg biotin, 400mcg folic acid, 5 drops Liver Life, 1t

> Green

> > > > > Pastures CLO, 3 mg K2, 1 packet Threelac, 2 baby scoops

> Custom

> > > > > Probiotic, 10mg zinc. Just started trying Kirkman's B12.

> > > > >

> > > > > The cobalt being so low on all of them; would this indicate

> B12

> > > > > would help them all?

> > > >

> > > > Low hair cobalt does not mean they have low B12 levels. Lots

> of

> > > > kids do well with B12, though. If you want to try it, stick

> with

> > > > sublingual.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Where would the tin be coming from for 2yo? I also still

> don't

> > > know

> > > > > why he's got more antimony & arsenic when he's the only one

> I've

> > > > > wrapped mattreses for. He's had the same exposures as

> everyone

> > > else

> > > > > otherwise. There have been the steroids, ab's. There were

> some

> > > paint

> > > > > & finishing fumes in very early preg., & some bug killer

> sprayed

> > > > > indoors later in preg. Could these have contributed?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your other kids are not putting much essential or toxic

> elements

> > > > in their hair. That doesn't mean they don't have them, you

> just

> > > > aren't seeing an accurate representation of toxics in their

> hair.

> > > >

> > > > Don't worry about the tin, it will go away when you get rid

of

> > > > the mercury.

> > > >

> > > > I would try chelating all of them. You can try ALA alone,

you

> > > > may want to include DMSA or DMPS to help suppress side

effects.

> > > >

> > > > The 13yo, 9yo, and 5yo have the " all low " appearance to their

> > > > tests. Improving stomach acid levels is helpful in this

> case.

> > > > I would try giving ascorbic acid with meals and add some

> betaine

> > > > hcl as tolerated.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Advise needed; thank you.

> > > > > Michele

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mine was the same....could go days without eating, and I would have to feed him

in order to know he was eating anything at all. I too had a moment where I

realized I was giving him freakin' cookies in the morning just so I knew he

wasn't starving!!!!!!

My son would drink things though, so I started putting protein and high

calorie subtitutes in his drinks. In the days before removing milk Nestle's

Instant Breakfast was my best friend. I wonder if there is a gf/cf version you

could put in a milk substitute?

<Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Entertaining didn't work for us, ours was very anorexic. My lowest point came

when she was three and I found myself feeding her ice cream for breakfast just

to get something in her stomach.

Although chelation cured this permanently, here are some of the things that

helped. Zinc at weight + 20 mgs perked up her appetite a bit. Lots of probiotics

also helped, lots and lots. I hate to mention thiamine (lol) B1, but this also

helped, particularly in the Benfotiamine form.

We got smart and started putting raw egg yolks and some fruit in her morning ice

cream, without her seeing, of course. Use whatever you can to get some food down

him that he won't react to. Luckily we didn't have any food restrictions, so

sometimes we used eggs, bananas and chocolate syrup in the ice cream.

Sounds bizarre but when you get desperate, you do what you have to.

We fed her every single bite of food until she was 4 1/2, taking turns. We

thought we would have to go to kindergarten at lunch time and feed her but with

chelation, this stopped forever.

I sympathize, I know how hard this is.

[ ] Re: New File with Test Results on 4 Children; help

pls? (Andy, someone?)

We used to reward our little one with anything that made him laugh,

i.e. funny dances, funny faces, etc., but I can see how that might

not work for a lot of people.

Anne

>

> My 2yo hardly eats any wet foods. He's getting picky about his goat

> yogurt in the AM too lately, which is a disaster if he stops eating

> as that's the only way I'm getting any supps into him right now. I

> can maybe slip something into some applesauce one more time in the

> day, but 3-4 times I just don't know how I'm gonna find a way to

get

> it into him. Even with some force he just spits things out. He

> cannot be reasoned with & is non verbal.

>

> Anyone have a little one like this?

>

> Michele

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I read where you wrote Thaimine can help Anorexia; so very true.

Actually " anorexia is a hallmark sign of a Thiamine Deficieny.

so that is not funny that Thiamine can acutally reverse Anorexia;

Anorexia is a disease which produces malnuttriton; premature aging;

osteoporisois etc.

)wrote) I hate to mention thiamine (lol) B1, but this also

helped, particularly in the Benfotiamine form.

so i was just thinking; i guess i am a real joke on this fourm;

beciae I know you think it is me that is " funny

you would never think a vitamin which reverses anorexia is funny. A.

(I had anorexia myself and beleive me anoriesxia is no joke )

> >

> > My 2yo hardly eats any wet foods. He's getting picky about his

goat

> > yogurt in the AM too lately, which is a disaster if he stops

eating

> > as that's the only way I'm getting any supps into him right now.

I

> > can maybe slip something into some applesauce one more time in

the

> > day, but 3-4 times I just don't know how I'm gonna find a way to

> get

> > it into him. Even with some force he just spits things out. He

> > cannot be reasoned with & is non verbal.

> >

> > Anyone have a little one like this?

> >

> > Michele

>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ANNE " ps

HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO DIHYDROGEN OXIDE DEFICIENCY?

worst than low Thaimine funciotns if you bleive that.bye#-ps If you knew

what I know about thiamine B1; and other B Vitamins

> you wouldn't beleive it @]

>

> since I am only one person I cannot expalin this; but believe me when

> I tell you

>

> Thiamine is repsonsible for over 100 body and mind funciotns as a

> matter of fact

>

> without Thiamine you wouldn't even be able to think or have a memory

> because it is acutlaly Thiamine which enables the mind to form

> memeories.

>

> who would bleive that? so thiamine continures to remain " hidden. bye#-

> -- In , " mothernaturerule "

> <anne_white53@...> wrote:

>

>> Hi I read where you wrote Thaimine can help Anorexia; so very true.

>>

>> Actually " anorexia is a hallmark sign of a Thiamine Deficieny.

>>

>> so that is not funny that Thiamine can acutally reverse Anorexia;

>> Anorexia is a disease which produces malnuttriton; premature aging;

>> osteoporisois etc.

>>

>> )wrote) I hate to mention thiamine (lol) B1, but this also

>> helped, particularly in the Benfotiamine form.

>>

>> so i was just thinking; i guess i am a real joke on this fourm;

>> beciae I know you think it is me that is " funny

>>

>> you would never think a vitamin which reverses anorexia is funny. A.

>> (I had anorexia myself and beleive me anoriesxia is no joke )

>>>

>>>> My 2yo hardly eats any wet foods. He's getting picky about his

>>>>

>> goat

>>

>>>> yogurt in the AM too lately, which is a disaster if he stops

>>>>

>> eating

>>

>>>> as that's the only way I'm getting any supps into him right

>>>>

> now.

>

>> I

>>

>>>> can maybe slip something into some applesauce one more time in

>>>>

>> the

>>

>>>> day, but 3-4 times I just don't know how I'm gonna find a way

>>>>

> to

>

>>> get

>>>

>>>> it into him. Even with some force he just spits things out. He

>>>> cannot be reasoned with & is non verbal.

>>>>

>>>> Anyone have a little one like this?

>>>>

>>>> Michele

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

You can chelate with braces as long as you don't have nickel allergy.

Just be super especially sure both to GET A SECOND OPINION ON HOW TO DO THE

BRACES

FROM ALTERNATIVE DENTISTS, and that there is no amalgam fillings and none get

placed

in the process of putting in the braces.

Andy