Re: Daughter who was sick-now other problems-help?

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-how is her copper level? Can you have it checked?

-- In , " special6mom " <hugs4Him99@...>

wrote:

>

> Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last week. To

> recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg, & got

> very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic, cold then

> warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but then perked

> up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal. She gets

> various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She was fine

by

> that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was well,

> including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a reaction to the

> ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this reaction).

>

> I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most people

> wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe 5mg.

Others

> felt it may be yeast.

>

> Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal with.

> She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has become a

> terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child. She even

> looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

>

> I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is going on

with

> her?

>

> Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with this

> behavior).

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

[Guest guest]

I can't do that right now; why? She does get zinc.

Michele

> >

> > Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last week.

To

> > recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg, & got

> > very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic, cold then

> > warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but then

perked

> > up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal. She gets

> > various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She was fine

> by

> > that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was well,

> > including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a reaction to

the

> > ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this

reaction).

> >

> > I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most people

> > wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe 5mg.

> Others

> > felt it may be yeast.

> >

> > Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal

with.

> > She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has become a

> > terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child. She

even

> > looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

> >

> > I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is going on

> with

> > her?

> >

> > Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with this

> > behavior).

> >

> > Thanks, Michele

> >

> > Thanks, Michele

> >

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: special6mom

I can't do that right now; why?

=====>Really high copper levels could explain her adverse reaction to just one

dose of Ala, I think. Did you do a hair test? If so, what copper level did it

show? You might want to think about doing one and if you find high copper you

might get some relief from supplementing molybdenum and zinc to bring it down

for a couple weeks before restarting the Ala.

She does get zinc.

Michele

> >

> > Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last week.

To

> > recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg, & got

> > very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic, cold then

> > warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but then

perked

> > up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal. She gets

> > various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She was fine

> by

> > that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was well,

> > including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a reaction to

the

> > ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this

reaction).

> >

> > I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most people

> > wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe 5mg.

> Others

> > felt it may be yeast.

> >

> > Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal

with.

> > She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has become a

> > terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child. She

even

> > looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

> >

> > I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is going on

> with

> > her?

> >

> > Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with this

> > behavior).

> >

> > Thanks, Michele

> >

> > Thanks, Michele

> >

>

[Guest guest]

her test is in the files (under 4 kids test results - 13, 9,5, 2yo).

She does get zinc already.

Thx, Michele

> > >

> > > Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last

week.

> To

> > > recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg, &

got

> > > very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic, cold

then

> > > warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but then

> perked

> > > up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal. She

gets

> > > various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She was

fine

> > by

> > > that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was

well,

> > > including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a reaction

to

> the

> > > ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this

> reaction).

> > >

> > > I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most

people

> > > wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe 5mg.

> > Others

> > > felt it may be yeast.

> > >

> > > Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal

> with.

> > > She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has

become a

> > > terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child.

She

> even

> > > looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

> > >

> > > I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is going

on

> > with

> > > her?

> > >

> > > Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with

this

> > > behavior).

> > >

> > > Thanks, Michele

> > >

> > > Thanks, Michele

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Michele,

Her copper is high and her mineral transport disordered so it might even be

higher than presented. You can supplement molybdenum with the zinc to bring it

down. Lots of people with kids with high copper had success with zinc and

molybdenum within a couple of weeks to a month or so, in bringing down the

copper.

You can check http://www.onibasu.com to see what Andy's recommended dosage for

the molybdenum, which I can't remember right now.

Also, the hair test looks " all low " which means she could use some enzymes and

ascorbic acid to help her absorb things better. Could be one reason why the zinc

is not bringing the copper down.

My ultimate admiration in your chelating 4 kids, one almost drove us to drink.

Good luck,

[ ] Re: Daughter who was sick-now other problems-help?

her test is in the files (under 4 kids test results - 13, 9,5, 2yo).

She does get zinc already.

Thx, Michele

> > >

> > > Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last

week.

> To

> > > recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg, &

got

> > > very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic, cold

then

> > > warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but then

> perked

> > > up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal. She

gets

> > > various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She was

fine

> > by

> > > that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was

well,

> > > including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a reaction

to

> the

> > > ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this

> reaction).

> > >

> > > I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most

people

> > > wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe 5mg.

> > Others

> > > felt it may be yeast.

> > >

> > > Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal

> with.

> > > She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has

become a

> > > terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child.

She

> even

> > > looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

> > >

> > > I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is going

on

> > with

> > > her?

> > >

> > > Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with

this

> > > behavior).

> > >

> > > Thanks, Michele

> > >

> > > Thanks, Michele

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Michele,

Did you begin with any low dose dmsa to clear organs? Do you think

this might help? The hg has affinity for many body organs including

brain. It may help to try to clear some of that before you try ala,

which targets the brain, again. For both of us here, we did quite a

few rounds of dmsa before adding tha ala. For me, the ala produces

much more 'head' symptoms used alone or with dmsa. I feel best when

using ala with dmsa. My daughter is not able to verbalize this but

when I began with her I thought I was using a 'low' dose - 50mg of

dmsa and then adding in 50 mg of ala after many rounds of dmsa alone

[she's ~115#]. It was not until I began to chelate myself that I

realized what a 'hit' the chelators gave. I began with the 50mg and

thought !!!!! I took the dose down LOTS for both of us to around 8mg

dmsa alone and then worked up slowly to 25mg before adding ala[@8mg

now]. We remain at this low dose and things are much more tolerable.

>

> Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last week. To

> recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg, & got

> very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic, cold then

> warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but then perked

> up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal. She gets

> various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She was fine

by

> that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was well,

> including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a reaction to the

> ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this reaction).

>

> I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most people

> wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe 5mg.

Others

> felt it may be yeast.

>

> Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal with.

> She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has become a

> terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child. She even

> looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

>

> I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is going on

with

> her?

>

> Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with this

> behavior).

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

[Guest guest]

> Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal with.

> She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has become a

> terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child. She even

> looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

In addition to yeast [and maybe bad bacteria], the only other thing I

can think of right now is my #2's reaction when he was finished with

the IP6.

My son was mineral toxic. In fact, I used IP6 [a demineralizer] at

high doses for several months, to reduce the minerals. I remember

specifically the day he no longer needed it, which of course I did not

realize until AFTER I had given him his next dose LOL. We were at a

park where you can ride on small trains. I gave him his next dose of

IP6 and OMG! He was a monster, VERY ODD. It was a nightmare. We had

to leave early. I got home and gave him a dose of multiminerals that

I had purchased but never used, because I had learned he was toxic.

He was much better about 30 minutes later. One more dose the next

day, and he was fine.

Try increasing minerals, see if that helps. I know ALA has depleted

my own minerals.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal with.

> She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has become a

> terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child. She even

> looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

In addition to yeast [and maybe bad bacteria], the only other thing I

can think of right now is my #2's reaction when he was finished with

the IP6.

My son was mineral toxic. In fact, I used IP6 [a demineralizer] at

high doses for several months, to reduce the minerals. I remember

specifically the day he no longer needed it, which of course I did not

realize until AFTER I had given him his next dose LOL. We were at a

park where you can ride on small trains. I gave him his next dose of

IP6 and OMG! He was a monster, VERY ODD. It was a nightmare. We had

to leave early. I got home and gave him a dose of multiminerals that

I had purchased but never used, because I had learned he was toxic.

He was much better about 30 minutes later. One more dose the next

day, and he was fine.

Try increasing minerals, see if that helps. I know ALA has depleted

my own minerals.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I presume she has NO mercury amalgam dental fillings?!

S S

Daughter who was sick-now other problems-help?

Posted by: " special6mom " hugs4Him99@... special6mom

Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:19 am (PST)

Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last week. To

recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg, & got

very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic, cold then

warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but then perked

up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal. She gets

various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She was fine by

that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was well,

including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a reaction to the

ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this reaction).

I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most people

wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe 5mg. Others

felt it may be yeast.

Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal with.

She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has become a

terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child. She even

looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is going on with

her?

Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with this

behavior).

Thanks, Michele

Thanks, Michele

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It's tough to get supps into her so I have to really pick & choose. I

think I can sneak the moly. into her. What kind of enzymes are you

speaking of? Systemic?

After last week I'm crashing already...

Thanks, Michele

> > > >

> > > > Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last

> week.

> > To

> > > > recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg,

&

> got

> > > > very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic,

cold

> then

> > > > warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but

then

> > perked

> > > > up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal.

She

> gets

> > > > various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She

was

> fine

> > > by

> > > > that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was

> well,

> > > > including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a

reaction

> to

> > the

> > > > ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this

> > reaction).

> > > >

> > > > I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most

> people

> > > > wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe

5mg.

> > > Others

> > > > felt it may be yeast.

> > > >

> > > > Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to

deal

> > with.

> > > > She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has

> become a

> > > > terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child.

> She

> > even

> > > > looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

> > > >

> > > > I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is

going

> on

> > > with

> > > > her?

> > > >

> > > > Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with

> this

> > > > behavior).

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Michele

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Michele

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't know if that would help. I did DMSA for quite a while & then

DMSA/ALA with my oldest a few years ago & it was very hard on his

gut. He's doing much better with just ALA. With neither did I see

improvements, & haven't yet really with just ALA (just started this

again for him so only on " round 6 " later this week). I know all my

kids have big yeast problems so I don't like DMSA for them for this

reason.

Michele

> >

> > Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last week.

To

> > recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg, & got

> > very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic, cold then

> > warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but then

perked

> > up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal. She gets

> > various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She was fine

> by

> > that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was well,

> > including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a reaction to

the

> > ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this

reaction).

> >

> > I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most people

> > wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe 5mg.

> Others

> > felt it may be yeast.

> >

> > Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal

with.

> > She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has become a

> > terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child. She

even

> > looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

> >

> > I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is going on

> with

> > her?

> >

> > Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with this

> > behavior).

> >

> > Thanks, Michele

> >

> > Thanks, Michele

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No.

Michele

>

>

> I presume she has NO mercury amalgam dental fillings?!

> S S

>

> Daughter who was sick-now other problems-help?

> Posted by: " special6mom " hugs4Him99@... special6mom

> Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:19 am (PST)

>

> Some might remember when I wrote about my dd (5-1/2) last week. To

> recap, she was given her first ever dose of ALA, appx 10mg, & got

> very ill from it. Threw up, low grade fever, lethargic, cold then

> warm & clamy, etc. She hadn't eaten since breakfast but then perked

> up toward the end of the day & had some dry gfcf cereal. She gets

> various supplements including a good yeast protocol. She was fine

by

> that evening & especially the next day; everyone else was well,

> including the others on ALA. So it was definitely a reaction to the

> ALA (again, first ever dose; no protocol issues with this reaction).

>

> I ended that round because of the terrible reaction. Most people

> wrote to try again next time but use a lower dose, maybe 5mg.

Others

> felt it may be yeast.

>

> Ever since that reaction she's been beyond difficult to deal with.

> She has issues, many behaviorial to begin with, but has become a

> terribly difficult, disobedient, obstinate, defiant child. She even

> looks for ways to disobey at times & is really nasty.

>

> I'm not sure whether to " try again " now at all. What is going on

with

> her?

>

> Anyone, help?? I'm worried ( & very tired & burnt out with this

> behavior).

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

> Thanks, Michele

>

>

>

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