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Great question. According to FDA guidelines for this vaccine (on the

package insert) the temperature needs to be controlled within a

fairly narrowly defined temperature guidelines. When this program

began several years ago, the DoD attempted to monitor temperature

using monitors which allowed any history of discrepancies during

storage, transportation (to ships for Navy/Marine), to be verified

upon receipt. Well, guess what? It was a bizmal failure having a

majority of transported vaccines to be recorded with temperature

outside the range of FDA approval.

So, the DoD's good intentions brought about a significant number of

vials destroyed... BUT, they were not. What was destroyed was the

good intentions of having them monitored for temperature variances.

No record of it anymore, so no responsibility for adherence to FDA

standards. Slight of hand, wouldn't you say? The DoD has now sought

a broader standard of temperature variances with absolutely no long

range study to determine if efficacy or safety is jeopardized with

out of temperature vaccine. Scary, don't you think???

I just hope the FDA sticks to doing the right thing, and just says no

to the remaining lots of vaccines, and any future vaccines made at

BioPort. THAT, would make my day... Let them do some top notch

scientific research using the best minds in this country to develop a

21st century vaccine using recombinant technology, rather than the

prehistoric 1950's technology of this present vaccine.

As a former Navy Doc, it's great to see the Sailor's and Marines

taking notice of what goes in their bodies, and the lack of quality

control inherent in his great question. I doubt a number two ice

cream reefer is the place for this vaccine. Wouldn't you think

medical and not the food service department would be responsible for

adherance to the temperature controls.

Perhaps, the ship's medical department has rung its hands from this

defective program. Since it has become a line/operational command's

pet project to suit the whims of ADM Crowe, et al, why would medical

want any part of this medical catastrophe of a vaccination program.

As a Navy physician, I had no choice but to resign due to this

debacle. I have NO regrets. Craig M. Uhl, MD former LT MC USNR

> I have a question about the storage of the actual anthrax

vaccination. On my

> ship, they are storing the vaccination in the number 2 refer, right

next to

> the frozen meat and some ice cream. I was just wondering if this is

safe or

> not.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dominick

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Brault EMT-P

Refrigeration

Hi all

Maybe you guys can help with a problem I am addressing at present. As

part of my practitioner role my service envisage us carrying tetanus

on the car units. Problem is that it has to be kept refrigerated

between 2 and 8 degrees celcius.

Initial observationson fridges in ambulances indicate that there are

two main problems.

1. fluctuations and power failures resulting in varying temperatures

within the fridge.

2. most fridges apparently operate within 20 degrees of room

temperature. So if the temperature goes up to 36 the fridge

temperature is 16 degrre which is too high.

The above is what I have been told and not what I have found from

research.

Two questions.

Is the above statement true?

Can anyone suggest a V.small fridge which can be kept in a vehicle

for our purposes.

thanks Mike Bjarkoy

Cornwall

England

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Mike,

I am no refrigerator expert but the information on the relationship

between internal refrigerator temperatures and external temperatures

doesn't seem right to me. The stuff in the fridge at home still kept

as cold as ever even in the U.K heatwave and the same is true here.

As all refrigerators for health care use have to have a thermometer

it would be possible to visually monitor readings anyway. Standard

basic health care refrigerators such as the Electrolux RA122H have an

external thermometer and are lockable, but they may be too bulky for

mounting in a vehicle. Unfortunately I don't know of anything smaller.

An alternative might be to simply carry the probably small amount of

vaccine you will be need on a day to day basis wrapped in bubble wrap

and then a layer of a cold/ice wrap like techni-ice (from Lakeland

kitchen products in the U.K)and the lot kept in an insulated cold box

and then return it to a fridge at the end of your shift.

Regards

Beales

ISOS

Algeria

> Hi all

> Maybe you guys can help with a problem I am addressing at present.

As

> part of my practitioner role my service envisage us carrying

tetanus

> on the car units. Problem is that it has to be kept refrigerated

> between 2 and 8 degrees celcius.

> Initial observationson fridges in ambulances indicate that there

are

> two main problems.

> 1. fluctuations and power failures resulting in varying

temperatures

> within the fridge.

> 2. most fridges apparently operate within 20 degrees of room

> temperature. So if the temperature goes up to 36 the fridge

> temperature is 16 degrre which is too high.

>

> The above is what I have been told and not what I have found from

> research.

>

> Two questions.

> Is the above statement true?

> Can anyone suggest a V.small fridge which can be kept in a vehicle

> for our purposes.

>

> thanks Mike Bjarkoy

> Cornwall

> England

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Mike,

The smallest fridge that I have seen is one that is available in various

high street stores. It will just about hold six cans of pop so it is very

compact and runs off the cigarette lighter (a far better use than that for

which it was designed). I can't say how effective it is or if it is just a

gimmick but it is certainly small.

I have also seen " blood fridges " that are designed to work in cars / ambu's

they are about the size of a cool box have a built in thermometer and alarms

and would probably fulfill your requirements but are rather pricey. Might be

worth talking with your regional blood transfusion service however and

seeing how they move small quantities of blood long distances.

On a side issue I presume that you would have the full anaphylaxis kit with

you just in case!

Gareth

>From: " Mike Bjarkoy " <sastsamip@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Refrigeration

>Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:16:46 -0000

>

>Hi all

>Maybe you guys can help with a problem I am addressing at present. As

>part of my practitioner role my service envisage us carrying tetanus

>on the car units. Problem is that it has to be kept refrigerated

>between 2 and 8 degrees celcius.

>Initial observationson fridges in ambulances indicate that there are

>two main problems.

>1. fluctuations and power failures resulting in varying temperatures

>within the fridge.

>2. most fridges apparently operate within 20 degrees of room

>temperature. So if the temperature goes up to 36 the fridge

>temperature is 16 degrre which is too high.

>

>The above is what I have been told and not what I have found from

>research.

>

>Two questions.

>Is the above statement true?

>Can anyone suggest a V.small fridge which can be kept in a vehicle

>for our purposes.

>

>thanks Mike Bjarkoy

>Cornwall

>England

>

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Hi everyone,

I have just started to take LDN for small bowel crohns. Thankfuly I

am currently in remission, hopefully LDN will keep me that way.

I will soon have to be away from a fridge for a few days and was

wondering if any of you have any experience or advice about storing

liquid LDN whilst travelling. It seems odd to me that the liquid

needs to be refigerated when the 50mg tablets do not. Is

refrigeration just a precaution and will the liquid be ok if left

unrefrigerated? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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