Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 Great question. According to FDA guidelines for this vaccine (on the package insert) the temperature needs to be controlled within a fairly narrowly defined temperature guidelines. When this program began several years ago, the DoD attempted to monitor temperature using monitors which allowed any history of discrepancies during storage, transportation (to ships for Navy/Marine), to be verified upon receipt. Well, guess what? It was a bizmal failure having a majority of transported vaccines to be recorded with temperature outside the range of FDA approval. So, the DoD's good intentions brought about a significant number of vials destroyed... BUT, they were not. What was destroyed was the good intentions of having them monitored for temperature variances. No record of it anymore, so no responsibility for adherence to FDA standards. Slight of hand, wouldn't you say? The DoD has now sought a broader standard of temperature variances with absolutely no long range study to determine if efficacy or safety is jeopardized with out of temperature vaccine. Scary, don't you think??? I just hope the FDA sticks to doing the right thing, and just says no to the remaining lots of vaccines, and any future vaccines made at BioPort. THAT, would make my day... Let them do some top notch scientific research using the best minds in this country to develop a 21st century vaccine using recombinant technology, rather than the prehistoric 1950's technology of this present vaccine. As a former Navy Doc, it's great to see the Sailor's and Marines taking notice of what goes in their bodies, and the lack of quality control inherent in his great question. I doubt a number two ice cream reefer is the place for this vaccine. Wouldn't you think medical and not the food service department would be responsible for adherance to the temperature controls. Perhaps, the ship's medical department has rung its hands from this defective program. Since it has become a line/operational command's pet project to suit the whims of ADM Crowe, et al, why would medical want any part of this medical catastrophe of a vaccination program. As a Navy physician, I had no choice but to resign due to this debacle. I have NO regrets. Craig M. Uhl, MD former LT MC USNR > I have a question about the storage of the actual anthrax vaccination. On my > ship, they are storing the vaccination in the number 2 refer, right next to > the frozen meat and some ice cream. I was just wondering if this is safe or > not. > > Thanks, > > Dominick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 The only comment I have to accompany this link Is that to my knowledge There is other just as valable http://www.instafreeze.com/ Cheers Brault EMT-P Refrigeration Hi all Maybe you guys can help with a problem I am addressing at present. As part of my practitioner role my service envisage us carrying tetanus on the car units. Problem is that it has to be kept refrigerated between 2 and 8 degrees celcius. Initial observationson fridges in ambulances indicate that there are two main problems. 1. fluctuations and power failures resulting in varying temperatures within the fridge. 2. most fridges apparently operate within 20 degrees of room temperature. So if the temperature goes up to 36 the fridge temperature is 16 degrre which is too high. The above is what I have been told and not what I have found from research. Two questions. Is the above statement true? Can anyone suggest a V.small fridge which can be kept in a vehicle for our purposes. thanks Mike Bjarkoy Cornwall England Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to the list owner. Post message: egroups Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk Regards The Remote Medics Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Mike, I am no refrigerator expert but the information on the relationship between internal refrigerator temperatures and external temperatures doesn't seem right to me. The stuff in the fridge at home still kept as cold as ever even in the U.K heatwave and the same is true here. As all refrigerators for health care use have to have a thermometer it would be possible to visually monitor readings anyway. Standard basic health care refrigerators such as the Electrolux RA122H have an external thermometer and are lockable, but they may be too bulky for mounting in a vehicle. Unfortunately I don't know of anything smaller. An alternative might be to simply carry the probably small amount of vaccine you will be need on a day to day basis wrapped in bubble wrap and then a layer of a cold/ice wrap like techni-ice (from Lakeland kitchen products in the U.K)and the lot kept in an insulated cold box and then return it to a fridge at the end of your shift. Regards Beales ISOS Algeria > Hi all > Maybe you guys can help with a problem I am addressing at present. As > part of my practitioner role my service envisage us carrying tetanus > on the car units. Problem is that it has to be kept refrigerated > between 2 and 8 degrees celcius. > Initial observationson fridges in ambulances indicate that there are > two main problems. > 1. fluctuations and power failures resulting in varying temperatures > within the fridge. > 2. most fridges apparently operate within 20 degrees of room > temperature. So if the temperature goes up to 36 the fridge > temperature is 16 degrre which is too high. > > The above is what I have been told and not what I have found from > research. > > Two questions. > Is the above statement true? > Can anyone suggest a V.small fridge which can be kept in a vehicle > for our purposes. > > thanks Mike Bjarkoy > Cornwall > England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Mike, The smallest fridge that I have seen is one that is available in various high street stores. It will just about hold six cans of pop so it is very compact and runs off the cigarette lighter (a far better use than that for which it was designed). I can't say how effective it is or if it is just a gimmick but it is certainly small. I have also seen " blood fridges " that are designed to work in cars / ambu's they are about the size of a cool box have a built in thermometer and alarms and would probably fulfill your requirements but are rather pricey. Might be worth talking with your regional blood transfusion service however and seeing how they move small quantities of blood long distances. On a side issue I presume that you would have the full anaphylaxis kit with you just in case! Gareth >From: " Mike Bjarkoy " <sastsamip@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Refrigeration >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 15:16:46 -0000 > >Hi all >Maybe you guys can help with a problem I am addressing at present. As >part of my practitioner role my service envisage us carrying tetanus >on the car units. Problem is that it has to be kept refrigerated >between 2 and 8 degrees celcius. >Initial observationson fridges in ambulances indicate that there are >two main problems. >1. fluctuations and power failures resulting in varying temperatures >within the fridge. >2. most fridges apparently operate within 20 degrees of room >temperature. So if the temperature goes up to 36 the fridge >temperature is 16 degrre which is too high. > >The above is what I have been told and not what I have found from >research. > >Two questions. >Is the above statement true? >Can anyone suggest a V.small fridge which can be kept in a vehicle >for our purposes. > >thanks Mike Bjarkoy >Cornwall >England > _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Hi everyone, I have just started to take LDN for small bowel crohns. Thankfuly I am currently in remission, hopefully LDN will keep me that way. I will soon have to be away from a fridge for a few days and was wondering if any of you have any experience or advice about storing liquid LDN whilst travelling. It seems odd to me that the liquid needs to be refigerated when the 50mg tablets do not. Is refrigeration just a precaution and will the liquid be ok if left unrefrigerated? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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