Guest guest Posted November 2, 2002 Report Share Posted November 2, 2002 You might want to read the book by Bragg on Apple Cider Vinegar. She and her father (while he was alive) have been using ACV for years and believe it has many health benefits. They have a whole group of old timers who also use the ACV, like Jack LaLane. Kat http://www.katking.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " darkstardog " <darkstar@...> < > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: vinegar > I have a question about the value of vinegar. Some people on various > dog nutrition lists have in the past posted about the feeding of raw > apple cider vinegar (ACV). I've always been skeptical about the value > of this. > I think it would have in it probably yeast from the initial > fermention plus acetobacter bacteria from the alcohol fermenattion. I > don't think either of these would be useful or viable in the gut - I > don't think the acetobacter is a known gut inhabitant and since it > mostly feeds on alcohol as far as I can tell, it seems like it would > have little food in the gut unless it can use glucose as a fallback. > There is also the floating 'mother' which is (I think) a floating > cellulose mat, and other by-products of the bacterial growth. > > In ACV (raw and pasteurized both) and other fruit vinegars, you get > some remnants of the juice that was used to make the vinegar, and you > might get slight mineral benefits from these, but the amounts of > vinegar people east are so small that I've doubted it was of much > value. > > Finally there is the acetic acid itself, which would be in any kind > of vinegar including distilled white vinegar. It has two properties. > First, it is a weak acid. Second, it is a source of acetate, which I > think counts as a SCFA. Again, in the small quantities people use, is > it likely to be of any special use? I had discounted it, but I'm > wondering if anyone here has looked into it - maybe for the cells in > the gut? > > Since people here seem to look more deeply into the properties of > fermented foods than elsewhere, I'd be interested to hear if anyone > has looked at various vinegars (especially Heidi). > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2002 Report Share Posted November 2, 2002 > You might want to read the book by Bragg on Apple Cider Vinegar. I've looked through her book and it's pretty devoid of hard information and has way too much hype. I emailed Bragg's and also called them with some questions, and the responses I got were very unhelpful. You'd think with their talk about minerals etc. they'd be able to provide an analysis of their product, for example - you'd think they would be PROUD to. But no, they don't give you actual numbers, just loose phrases. Also the customer service person who took my phone call had only a vague idea of how their vinegar was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2002 Report Share Posted November 2, 2002 At 03:48 PM 11/2/02 +0000, you wrote: >I have a question about the value of vinegar. Some people on various >dog nutrition lists have in the past posted about the feeding of raw >apple cider vinegar (ACV). I've always been skeptical about the value >of this. I've got a book Vermont Folk Medicine written by a veterinarian, Dr. Jarvis. Its mainly about the use of ACV by him with livestock and by Vermont people. Arthritis avoidance was a main use for the people. At the time of the book's writing 50 years ago or so Vermont had the largest number of elderly people in the country per capita. The author IIRC had some interesting uses for ACV with livestock like using it to produce female offspring, tenderizing meat before slaughter. Whats valuable in ACV isn't really explained but it is put across in the context that it was seen valuable by observing what wild animals ate. Would have to read for specifics. I thought the book was out of print but did see it in a bookstore. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2002 Report Share Posted November 3, 2002 On Sat, 02 Nov 2002 16:37:25 -0500, you wrote: >At 03:48 PM 11/2/02 +0000, you wrote: >>I have a question about the value of vinegar. Some people on various >>dog nutrition lists have in the past posted about the feeding of raw >>apple cider vinegar (ACV). I've always been skeptical about the value >>of this. > >I've got a book Vermont Folk Medicine written by a veterinarian, Dr. Jarvis. >Its mainly about the use of ACV by him with livestock and by Vermont people. >Arthritis avoidance was a main use for the people. I can testify to the ACV/arthritis connection. it reversed the problem in a joint. I can also tell of its affect on skin, actually, two women friends told me, and it has an effect on the appetite, reducing it. This by taking it in the following manner: 2 tblspn honey 2 tblspn ACV mixed in one glass of water with each meal There have been a number of books on the subject claiming all sorts of miracle cures. I read the one you mentioned from Dr J and have been a believer since Mike E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 I use only diluted vinegar....after my herbs have been in it a whilre i dilute it I drank honey and ac vinegar twice a day for years...at least 15 Rica in Ga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Anne Bird wrote: Hi Don, Glad you had such a wonderful vacation. I love Greece and spent much time on the island of Ios in the Agean near Santarini. As for Vinegar, how does this effect our ST? Made from RAW ACV Thanks, Anne ========================== Hi Anne, Yes a wonderful time. I too love Greece. Haven't been to Santorini yet but hopefully will get there next time around. As for ACV and how it affects your ST? It affects it in good ways. What I mean is it does what it is supposed to do. This does not necessarily mean that taking all these stimulants into your body is good for you however. :-\ Truly they do not bring true health, yes they will make you feel better but will not cure. -- Peace be with you, Anne. Don "Quai" Eitner "Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man." In compliance with the highest standards of Universal Law, this email has been thoroughly disinfected and purified in the solar flares of the sun. Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 A tip I was given by someone with a chemistry degree for a natural disinfectant is to keep a spray container with vinegar and another with 3% hydrogen peroxide. Spray one, then the other on to the surface to be disinfected. It doesn’t matter what order you spray them on – it is the reaction that occurs at the time the two are combined that has the disinfectant action. >I thought vinegar was just good to clean with but not to KILL mold. Is it an " anti-bacterial " -?? Like for kitchen counters??? felice -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Yes very good. Many here use that one. RE: [] vinegar >A tip I was given by someone with a chemistry degree for a natural >disinfectant > is to keep a spray container with vinegar and another with 3% hydrogen > peroxide. > Spray one, then the other on to the surface to be disinfected. It doesn't > matter > what order you spray them on - it is the reaction that occurs at the time > the > two are combined that has the disinfectant action. > > > > > > > > > >>I thought vinegar was just good to clean with but not to KILL mold. > Is it an " anti-bacterial " -?? Like for kitchen counters??? > felice > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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