Re: New to all of this, with questions

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From: jennifer.robinsong

I guess my first question is, about autism spectrum, without having asked a

doctor about

her symptoms yet (that comes in a week and a half), how can we tell the

difference

between autism and toddler behaviors that are typical toddler behaviors that

she'll mature

out of. Like her echolalia. (Repeating the same word or group of words over

and over

without regard for what others are thinking about at that moment). I read that

that is also

a normal stage in language acquisition for toddlers.

====>Hi ,

Echolalia is normal behavior for very young toddlers when they are first

acquiring language and once language is established, fades. This is not normal

language for a 2 year old, unless she is just learning to talk, which you

indicate is not the case for her since her vocabularly is immense.

Since our daughter's vocabulary is

immense, could it be that this particular trait (along with some of her other

traits that

seem to coincide with autism symptoms) could just be something that will

change as her

language acquisition grows? Maybe in a few months she'll move from this

parroting of our

words that she does to using words in a more analytical way? How would a good

doctor

know the difference between echolalia that's due to autism and echolalia

that's part of her

normal language learning process?

====>You need a developmental psychologist to make this distinction. Sometimes

it's helpful to spend time around other 2 year olds to see that although there

is a great variety of behaviors that are normal, some behaviors are clearly not

normal.

That's just one example of a particular behavior trait she has that could be

autism-

related, or perhaps it could be just normal toddler behavior. Like her shyness

and passivity

when being approached by other people and kids that, from a distance she is so

interested

in engaging with, but once she gets up to them, she just lets the other person

initiate

everything. Autism or normal toddler shyness?

====>Is this shyness new behavior after not being shy? It is hard to tell

with some of this what is a developmental problem vs the normal differences of

other 2 year olds. Trust your instincts and maybe get a hair test done to see

what you are dealing with.

You see my quandery?

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HI. I first off would suggest making an appointment with your local

Early Intervention. They will come out to your home and do a an

assesment on your daughter. If she is behind in any areas etc, they

will offer in home therapy for free a few hours a week. Once she

turns 3 you dont have that option. They can give you an idea of what

they think of the issues you see and help. Also it can take up to a

year to see someone who can diagnose. I would strongly suggest just

going ahead and making an appointment asap. Without the diagnosis (

if indeed she falls within the spectrum somewhere ) it is very hard

to get therapy and states dont pay if there is no diagnosis from a

qualified psychologist/Dr etc. We are still waiting after our sons

diagnosis four months ago, to get the paper work from the

psycologist. The earlier you can get her to see someone the better. I

would say its better to be safe and make an appointment than to wait.

There are other things to consider also. She may not be autistic, but

could fall into the category of aspergers or a mild form of ASD. All

children on the Autism spectrum are different and the effects can be

severe to high functioning. If it ends up just being a stage she is

going through... cancel the appointment. No harm done. But I wouldn't

wait to make an appointment. Hope this helps

>

> Hi!

> I'm Abrenica and I'm searching for answers. I just now

joined. My husband has 8

> amalgams, I just had 3 tiny ones removed in Dec. (no chelation

yet), and our 2 year old

> daughter has some issues that are making me wonder if autism should

be looked into. My

> husband has always had plenty of weirdness as long as I've known

him and just in the

> past year my research has brought me to see his fillings as the

root. We have an

> appointment with a Dr. (Dr. Adrienne Grant in Long Beach, CA) who

specializes in Autism,

> ADD, PDD, etc. in a week and a half for all three of us. I just

ordered Dr. Andy Cutler's

> book Amalgam Illness and it hasn't arrived yet.

>

> I guess my first question is, about autism spectrum, without having

asked a doctor about

> her symptoms yet (that comes in a week and a half), how can we tell

the difference

> between autism and toddler behaviors that are typical toddler

behaviors that she'll mature

> out of. Like her echolalia. (Repeating the same word or group of

words over and over

> without regard for what others are thinking about at that moment).

I read that that is also

> a normal stage in language acquisition for toddlers. Since our

daughter's vocabulary is

> immense, could it be that this particular trait (along with some of

her other traits that

> seem to coincide with autism symptoms) could just be something that

will change as her

> language acquisition grows? Maybe in a few months she'll move from

this parroting of our

> words that she does to using words in a more analytical way? How

would a good doctor

> know the difference between echolalia that's due to autism and

echolalia that's part of her

> normal language learning process?

>

> That's just one example of a particular behavior trait she has that

could be autism-

> related, or perhaps it could be just normal toddler behavior. Like

her shyness and passivity

> when being approached by other people and kids that, from a

distance she is so interested

> in engaging with, but once she gets up to them, she just lets the

other person initiate

> everything. Autism or normal toddler shyness?

>

> You see my quandery?

>

[Guest guest]

> between autism and toddler behaviors that are typical toddler

behaviors that she'll mature

> out of. Like her echolalia.

At my house, this was eliminated with anti-virals [OLE, vitamin C,

lysine, Virastop enzyme] and mB12/TMG/folic acid/carnitine. Plus

biotin and GSE to control yeast.

> a normal stage in language acquisition for toddlers. Since our

daughter's vocabulary is

> immense,

Since she has a lot of vocabulary now, I would say the echoing is

unlikely a stage of development, and is biomedically related.

>>would a good doctor

> know the difference between echolalia that's due to autism and

echolalia that's part of her

> normal language learning process?

Because I have two kids [out of my four] who echoed, I would be able

to tell the difference. So I would guess a knowledgeable doctor would

be able to tell.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Well having been through this when my was younger...what I tell

parents is that if you suspect something is not right..go with your

gut. A 2 year old usually is very social in nature, talkative as much

as their verbal skills allow. I don't recall my NT daughter

" parroting " everything we said. They may repeat a word you said in

order to learn it..but if it seems like she is repeating it and almost

stuck on it...it might be a sign. My son did that and sometimes still

does if he is chelating.

There are many things to look for and consider.

Was/Is she vaccinated? If so, this is a source of heavy metals that

can contribute to or make worse whatever is going on. You may wish to

hold off or stop any further vaccination at this point. I stopped my

son's at this age when we saw problems. I also noticed that he had

adverse symptoms from his vaccines, like poor eye contact. The

vaccines seem to make his oddities worse.

Does your child make eye contact when you talk to her? Or does she

look away or off to the side.

Does she respond to her name? Or do you have to call her a lot or use

eye contact to get her attention?

Does she often seem distant or in her own world?

Is she excessively shy to the point of clinging to you in the presence

of others? My son used to cling to me with a death grip.

Can you leave her with relatives or sitter? We could not.

Does she pretend? (rock her baby doll, or imitate behaviors)

Does she use toys for what they are meant to be used for? Dolls for

playing baby, trucks for driving... for example: my son only used his

cars to spin the wheels. He didn't drive them or make vroom sounds. He

also did not stack blocks or cups..he lined them up. He lined up the

farm animals to his farm, but did not play with them in the barn or

make the animal noises..

Does she have a limited number of foods she will eat and are they

mainly starches? Mine ate cheese cracker, and pizza

Does she spin or jump for what seems excessive?

Does she flap her arms like a bird when she is excited or sometimes

for no reason?

Does she walk on her toes a lot?

There are tons of things to look for. Some website have a checklists

you can through that will give you an idea of what to look for and

what is not normal.

Meantime, work on getting an Early Intervention screening from your

local school district. I would also order a hair elements test from

Direct Labs. Post the results here when you get them. This will look

for any mercury problems as well as rule it out if it's not a problem.

Be prepared that many doctors will think your crazy when you mention

amalgams and mercury. Many of us here including myself have had to

help our kids ourselves. Read up the files on this board. It's what

you'd need to treat her. And keep hope..she is very young and if she

does have a mercury problem..it can very much be corrected at this age.

>

> Hi!

> I'm Abrenica and I'm searching for answers. I just now joined.

My husband has 8

> amalgams, I just had 3 tiny ones removed in Dec. (no chelation yet),

and our 2 year old

> daughter has some issues that are making me wonder if autism should

be looked into. My

> husband has always had plenty of weirdness as long as I've known

him and just in the

> past year my research has brought me to see his fillings as the

root. We have an

> appointment with a Dr. (Dr. Adrienne Grant in Long Beach, CA) who

specializes in Autism,

> ADD, PDD, etc. in a week and a half for all three of us. I just

ordered Dr. Andy Cutler's

> book Amalgam Illness and it hasn't arrived yet.

>

> I guess my first question is, about autism spectrum, without having

asked a doctor about

> her symptoms yet (that comes in a week and a half), how can we tell

the difference

> between autism and toddler behaviors that are typical toddler

behaviors that she'll mature

> out of. Like her echolalia. (Repeating the same word or group of

words over and over

> without regard for what others are thinking about at that moment). I

read that that is also

> a normal stage in language acquisition for toddlers. Since our

daughter's vocabulary is

> immense, could it be that this particular trait (along with some of

her other traits that

> seem to coincide with autism symptoms) could just be something that

will change as her

> language acquisition grows? Maybe in a few months she'll move from

this parroting of our

> words that she does to using words in a more analytical way? How

would a good doctor

> know the difference between echolalia that's due to autism and

echolalia that's part of her

> normal language learning process?

>

> That's just one example of a particular behavior trait she has that

could be autism-

> related, or perhaps it could be just normal toddler behavior. Like

her shyness and passivity

> when being approached by other people and kids that, from a distance

she is so interested

> in engaging with, but once she gets up to them, she just lets the

other person initiate

> everything. Autism or normal toddler shyness?

>

> You see my quandery?

>

[Guest guest]

Definitely. If I were in your shoes, I'd start by figuring out how much mercury

she may have gotten in her vaccines. Go to www.nvic.org

You could do a porphyrin test for $130 or so to find out if she is mercury

toxic. Go to www.labbio.net to order a test. Or you could do a hair analysis

through www.directlabs.com and look for a " scatter pattern.' (Explained in the

files of this list.)

Those would be my first two steps . . .

I had a shy girl like that as well, and I do believe she is mildly mercury

toxic. She's an adult and in graduate school now, also a TA, but she fought her

shyness her whole life. So . .

Barb

[ ] New to all of this, with questions

Hi!

I'm Abrenica and I'm searching for answers. I just now joined. My

husband has 8

amalgams, I just had 3 tiny ones removed in Dec. (no chelation yet), and our 2

year old

daughter has some issues that are making me wonder if autism should be looked

into. My

husband has always had plenty of weirdness as long as I've known him and just

in the

past year my research has brought me to see his fillings as the root. We have

an

appointment with a Dr. (Dr. Adrienne Grant in Long Beach, CA) who specializes

in Autism,

ADD, PDD, etc. in a week and a half for all three of us. I just ordered Dr.

Andy Cutler's

book Amalgam Illness and it hasn't arrived yet.

I guess my first question is, about autism spectrum, without having asked a

doctor about

her symptoms yet (that comes in a week and a half), how can we tell the

difference

between autism and toddler behaviors that are typical toddler behaviors that

she'll mature

out of. Like her echolalia. (Repeating the same word or group of words over

and over

without regard for what others are thinking about at that moment). I read that

that is also

a normal stage in language acquisition for toddlers. Since our daughter's

vocabulary is

immense, could it be that this particular trait (along with some of her other

traits that

seem to coincide with autism symptoms) could just be something that will

change as her

language acquisition grows? Maybe in a few months she'll move from this

parroting of our

words that she does to using words in a more analytical way? How would a good

doctor

know the difference between echolalia that's due to autism and echolalia

that's part of her

normal language learning process?

That's just one example of a particular behavior trait she has that could be

autism-

related, or perhaps it could be just normal toddler behavior. Like her shyness

and passivity

when being approached by other people and kids that, from a distance she is so

interested

in engaging with, but once she gets up to them, she just lets the other person

initiate

everything. Autism or normal toddler shyness?

You see my quandery?

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