Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Hi Sally: here's an answer I wrote to Abbe a few days ago that may help you out: iodine/message/10399 > >> How much Selenium should we take? There is 30mcg of kelp in my > thyroid support formula i only started to take again today. It also contains 30mcg of Selenium with all the other co factors zinc etc inc B12 and tyrosine and i took 3. My heart is a bit racy again. I did not release it was actually kelp in them before. I've taken these in the past i haven't had a problem. The previous day when i took a plain > kelp tablet 150mcg it made my heart race. Plus i take a multi which > has 50mcg of iodine and also has 25mcg selenuim. > It could be the tablespoon of vco i took as well. Do you know how > much selenium is in a brazil nut? I wonder if i should build the kelp up more slowly so the body can adjust to it. > Sal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 > I can't tell you an exact amount; different forms of selenium > supplements are 'available' (absorbed) to different degrees. > Some people take 100 mcg and others take up to 800 mcg daily. > 300 - 400 mcg should usually be enough. ( Do not take over > 1500 mcg selenium daily -- that could be toxic if taken for > too long. ) These are huge amounts of selenium. I would urge caution. All minerals are toxic in excess. The MDR for selenium is about 70 mcg. We likely get some in food, so 25-200 mcg as a supplement is probably plenty. Many people seem not to need a selenium supplement. More is not better. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 In one of the previous posts, someone was good enough to quote some Jerry Burnetti stuff and I remember it saying to avoid the selenium in Brazil nuts because...? I hope I can find that post again. I hope it also said which 3 seleniums you are supposed to take and where to get them. On Nov 26, 2006, at 4:09 PM, jtb14789 wrote: >> Do you know how >> much selenium is in a brazil nut? Parashis artpages@... zine: artpagesonline.com portfolio: http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Hi , here's the post: iodine/message/9936 Sharon > In one of the previous posts, someone was good enough to quote some > Jerry Burnetti stuff and I remember it saying to avoid the selenium in > Brazil nuts because...? I hope I can find that post again. > > I hope it also said which 3 seleniums you are supposed to take and > where to get them. > > On Nov 26, 2006, at 4:09 PM, jtb14789 wrote: > > >> Do you know how > >> much selenium is in a brazil nut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Carol - what are your thoughts on the the fact that many Japanese average 600mcg/day & also average 13.8mg iodine/day. I had posted of this previously here: iodine/message/10399 I have been looking into the importance of keeping Se & Iodine in balance. You'll see I have a lot of posts on that included in the above. As many on this list are high-dosing iodine (and may not have increased their selenium in proportion), there is concern that the reduction of the Se/I ratio may contribute to side/health effects. My personal opinion, after a lot of research, is that the 70mcg, like many RDAs is low. Many health benefits and no long-term side effects are being found from supplementing 200mcg/day of selenium. As many soils have become depleted of this mineral, it's likely we are not getting as much in our food as we used to. Selenium: A cancer knockout http://longevitylibrary.com/article/182.htm Selenium is also beneficial in detoxing mercury as it binds with it. Some people may have higher mercury loads than others. 70mcg would be a very low amount in such circumstances. Arsenic also affects the bioavailibility of selenium. Presence of mercury & arsenic in the individual may require them to take more selenium than another person: Determination of mercury and selenium in hair samples of Brazilian Indian populations living in the Amazonic region by neutron activation analysis http://www.chem.unep.ch/mercury/2001-gov-sub/sub68govatt2.pdf Does Bioavailable Arsenic Affect Nutritional Selenium? - A brief review of Se nutrition http://wwwbrr.cr.usgs.gov/Arsenic/FinalAbsPDF/harthill.pdf INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMME ON CHEMICAL SAFETY - SELENIUM http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc58.htm#SectionNumber:4.1 (scroll halfway down) " it was concluded that daily intakes of up to 600 µg selenium for 18 months do not induce toxic effects in well-fed individuals. " " Yang et al. (1983) reported the case of a 62-year-old man who had taken one tablet containing 2 mg sodium selenite per day for more than 2 years. The subject did not have any symptoms of indisposition but presented with thickened, fragile and somewhat honeycomb-like fingernails...These tissue-selenium levels are much lower than those reported by the same authors in Enshi county of the Hubei province (Yang et al., 1983) suggesting that the form of selenium ingested must be considered when interpreting tissue-selenium levels in the diagnosis of selenium poisoning... " " A level of 500 µg has been proposed as the tentative maximum acceptable daily intake of selenium for the protection of human health (Sakurai & Tsuchiya, 1975). " I would not advocate the 1500mcg that Bill mentions as a a regular daily health maintenence dose. But I don't think that's what he was saying either. There have been studies of the therapeutic value of such doses for cancer, HIV, mercury detoxing, etc. But this should only be done with medical supervision, for the short-term, and with a specific purpose in mind. I don't think the 300-400mcg that he mentions is out of line, especially for those of us that are supplementing iodine & need to balance Se/I. There's a lot of research supporting the health benefits & it's still within several proposed UTLs. I've seen UTLs ranging from 400-1000mcg, depending on who you talk to. > > I can't tell you an exact amount; different forms of selenium > > supplements are 'available' (absorbed) to different degrees. > > Some people take 100 mcg and others take up to 800 mcg daily. > > 300 - 400 mcg should usually be enough. ( Do not take over > > 1500 mcg selenium daily -- that could be toxic if taken for > > too long. ) > > These are huge amounts of selenium. I would urge caution. > All minerals are toxic in excess. > > The MDR for selenium is about 70 mcg. We likely get some in food, > so 25-200 mcg as a supplement is probably plenty. Many people > seem not to need a selenium supplement. > > More is not better. > > Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 " jtb14789 " <jtb14789@...> wrote: > Carol - what are your thoughts on the the fact that many Japanese > average 600mcg/day & also average 13.8mg iodine/day. > > I had posted of this previously here: > iodine/message/10399 As I've written here before, I like Dr Gaby's comments on the Japanese iodine amount, part of the Townsend Letter dialogue between Drs Abraham and Gaby. Gaby feels these numbers are exaggerated, and the real amounts are about 600 mcg or such of iodine (I'm not recalling the exact figure, but it's in that ballpark vs. 13.8 mg iodine). My sense had been that the 13.8 mg iodine was high (imagine what you'd have to eat day in and day out to get that much). I feel the selenium may be similarly overestimated. > I have been looking into the importance of keeping Se & Iodine in > balance. You'll see I have a lot of posts on that included in the > above. Balance is a nice idea but if the numbers are too high for the individual, balance becomes a moot point. > As many on this list are high-dosing iodine (and may not have > increased their selenium in proportion), there is concern that the > reduction of the Se/I ratio may contribute to side/health effects. > > My personal opinion, after a lot of research, is that the 70mcg, > like many RDAs is low. Many health benefits and no long-term side > effects are being found from supplementing 200mcg/day of selenium. > As many soils have become depleted of this mineral, it's likely we > are not getting as much in our food as we used to. That may true for some people, but like iodine, the optimal amount may be very individual, especially for those with autoimmune thyroid disease. My prediction is that in a few years it will emerge that many people have been taking too much selenium supplementation, and there will be people still taking nothing which will leave them undernourished. Same as iodine. Not sure how long it will take for this to surface and become widespreadly known, whether 5 yrs, 1-2 yrs, 10 yrs? Any mineral is toxic in excess. What excess amounts to is individual. > Selenium: A cancer knockout > http://longevitylibrary.com/article/182.htm > > Selenium is also beneficial in detoxing mercury > as it binds with it. > Some people may have higher mercury loads than others. > 70mcg would > be a very low amount in such circumstances. Arsenic > also affects the > bioavailibility of selenium. Presence of mercury & arsenic in the > individual may require them to take more selenium than another > person: Selenium may move mercury around. It's an open question for me how much mercury can actually be detoxed vs. just moved around. The bottom line is you have to see how selenium in some amount acts in you. Some people do better on less than more. Statistics are not you. Other people's cases are not you. There may be clues you can use, but you can't know for sure what's valid or a good clue until after the fact. Everyone is his own mad scientist. Hopefully we don't blow up the lab in the process of experimenting, i.e. do something we can't recover from, or recover fairly quickly. Classical homeopathy has always known for 200 years that minerals are toxic in excess. One can consult a homeopathic materia medica for Selenium and other minerals to see just some of the symptoms an excess of crude substance selenium would cause. It is one of the hottest temperatured remedies in the pharmacopaeia. Great debility, worse for heat, extreme sadness, hair falls out are a few of the keynotes for selenium in homeopathy, meaning symptoms of excess crude substance. Carol willis_protocols my article archive in Files, blog, Links, not a discussion group. ---------------------------------------- > Determination of mercury and selenium in hair samples of Brazilian > Indian populations living in the Amazonic region by neutron > activation analysis > http://www.chem.unep.ch/mercury/2001-gov-sub/sub68govatt2.pdf > > Does Bioavailable Arsenic Affect Nutritional Selenium? - A brief > review of Se nutrition > http://wwwbrr.cr.usgs.gov/Arsenic/FinalAbsPDF/harthill.pdf > > INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMME ON CHEMICAL SAFETY - SELENIUM > http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc58.htm#SectionNumber:4.1 > (scroll halfway down) > " it was concluded that daily intakes of up to 600 µg selenium for 18 > months do not induce toxic effects in well-fed individuals. " > > " Yang et al. (1983) reported the case of a 62-year-old man who had > taken one tablet containing 2 mg sodium selenite per day for > more than 2 years. The subject did not have any symptoms of > indisposition but presented with thickened, fragile and somewhat > honeycomb-like fingernails...These tissue-selenium levels are much > lower than those reported by the same authors in Enshi > county of the Hubei province (Yang et al., 1983) suggesting that the > form of selenium ingested must be considered when interpreting > tissue-selenium levels in the diagnosis of selenium poisoning... " > > " A level of 500 µg has been proposed as the tentative maximum > acceptable daily intake of selenium for the protection of human > health (Sakurai & Tsuchiya, 1975). " > > I would not advocate the 1500mcg that Bill mentions as a a regular > daily health maintenence dose. But I don't think that's what he was > saying either. > > There have been studies of the therapeutic value of such doses for > cancer, HIV, mercury detoxing, etc. But this should only be done > with medical supervision, for the short-term, and with a specific > purpose in mind. > > I don't think the 300-400mcg that he mentions is out of line, > especially for those of us that are supplementing iodine & need to > balance Se/I. There's a lot of research supporting the health > benefits & it's still within several proposed UTLs. I've seen UTLs > ranging from 400-1000mcg, depending on who you talk to. > > > > > > > I can't tell you an exact amount; different forms of selenium > > > supplements are 'available' (absorbed) to different degrees. > > > Some people take 100 mcg and others take up to 800 mcg daily. > > > 300 - 400 mcg should usually be enough. ( Do not take over > > > 1500 mcg selenium daily -- that could be toxic if taken for > > > too long. ) > > > > These are huge amounts of selenium. I would urge caution. > > All minerals are toxic in excess. > > > > The MDR for selenium is about 70 mcg. We likely get some > > in food, > > so 25-200 mcg as a supplement is probably plenty. Many people > > seem not to need a selenium supplement. > > > > More is not better. > > > > Carol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Thanks so very much. I'm going to copy it to a Simple Text for my desktop. On Nov 27, 2006, at 8:09 AM, sharflin wrote: > Hi , here's the post: > iodine/message/9936 > Sharon > >> In one of the previous posts, someone was good enough to quote some >> Jerry Burnetti stuff and I remember it saying to avoid the selenium > in >> Brazil nuts because...? I hope I can find that post again. >> >> I hope it also said which 3 seleniums you are supposed to take and >> where to get them. Parashis artpages@... zine: artpagesonline.com portfolio: http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 We have a thirteen year old son with asd. We have just changed from Biocare Nutrisorb Selenium 3 drops daily to Kirkmans Selenium 100mcg capsules. We are not sure how much Kirkmans selenium to give. Please can someone advise us. Thanks, Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 > We have a thirteen year old son with asd. We have just changed from > Biocare Nutrisorb Selenium 3 drops daily to Kirkmans Selenium 100mcg > capsules. We are not sure how much Kirkmans selenium to give. 100mcg per day sounds reasonable for most people. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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