Natural cellular defense

[Guest guest]

This product helped me focus and have clear thinking again. My energy

came back. I feel wonderful again. I do think that it give a mild

detox reaction.

I used the product and it is the best product I have used in a long

time.

I have been in health for over 30 years. It is absolutely the best

detox of my brain that I have had so far. I don't have the foggy

feeling in the brain. I able to focus.

I have all of my metals in my mouth out. I have been eating very

heatlhy.

I'm eating home cooked meals. Juicing and eating a more alkalizing

diet. I am not vegetarian but I don't eat meat but once every 6 months.

I do eat chicken and I stick to a more vegetable and whole grains diet,

not bread or pasta. There are days I am vegetarian.

I take supplements, and fish oils and all the goodies. I've been on

homeopathics for 4 years and then on and off.

I have done short fasts.

This is the easiest detoxification I have ever done. And it works!!

Clara

Natural Cellular Defense

This is a product we probably all heard of on the QX site. The

literature says it does not give a detox reaction. I wish to tell

you that it CAN and DOES. For those who are sensitive, the product

must be used sparingly and judiciously. Unfortunatly, I don't know of

any product, esp. for heavy metals, that isn't going to give you some

REACTION. There's a lot of double talk out there. Some manufacturers

of heavy metal detox products will say no detox reactions then go onto

say that there may be a cleansing reaction. What's the difference?

is Rotella

.............................................

[Guest guest]

There are four components of natural cellular defense that nobody on this

list has mentioned:

1) Glutathione creation. This is the body's natural master antioxidant

and detoxifier. It's fully explained in the book " Breakthrough in Cell

Defense " by top Canadian researcher, Dr. Bounous. This deserves mention

because you'd die in minutes without glutathione, low glutathione

stimulates infection, and low glutathione is linked to failure of the

immune response, to every degenerative illness, and to age-related

degeneration. In fact glutathione production drops with the age. The best

book on it is the well referenced " Glutathione: Your Body's Most Powerful

Healing Agent " by Jimmy Gutman M.D. Glutathione increase is accomplished

with an oral supplement of cold-processed whey.

2) Transfer factors. Natural immune response is trained by transfer

factors in mother's colostrum and in humans, also through the placenta.

It increases natural killer cells, T0 helper cells and it also confers

specific immunity in the immune cascade and suppresses overactive immune

response. Transfer factors are also found in egg yolks. These factors are

species-independent; exactly the same molecule. By using concentrated

transfer factors from other species you can get immunity to whatever they

were immune too. This might be a big advantage if the donor was

previously exposed to West Nile, Avian flu, Lyme disease, mycoplasma, and

many other infections. Plant and mushroom products of course do not have

this attribute. Transfer Factor is now a purified OTC medication

that has been officially adopted by the Russian medical teams for use in

hospitals and deployment by doctors. The Russians indicate that in their

testing they found no drug or non-drug performed as well in immune system

function as Transfer Factor.

3) Growth hormone. HGH is an absolute requirement for any growth, healing

and repair, including the formation of white blood cells and also

maintaining the size and function of the body's main immune system gland,

the thymus, which normally shrinks with age and impairs immune response

in the elderly. This can be markedly improved with SomaLife gHP, which is

also the best treatment for metabolic impairment seen in diabetes.

4) Anti-clotting enzymes. A very important drop in production also occurs

with age; it can be improved on by using BlockBuster All clear, an enzyme

blend you take on an empty stomach. Certain metabolic enzymes dissolve

excess clotting - thrombus - and plaque deposits. This is very important

for example for prevention or reversal of heart disease, peripheral

arterial disease, thick blood, stroke risk, and multiple sclerosis.

All of these fortify and normalise that which disappears with age or poor

diet, so they should be used wherever age or degneration is apparent, as

part of an healing regimen. None of the electromedical techniques I know

of materially address these concerns.

There's quite a bit more information with references on my site.

Duncan Crow

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/

[Guest guest]

I tried it for my genetic hemochromatosis for 2 months and got no results as

far as removing heavy metals which they contend it will do.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/13/06 5:26:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

HUNTDIXIE@... writes:

> I tried it for my genetic hemochromatosis for 2 months and got no results

> as

> far as removing heavy metals which they contend it will do.

>

this is not good news..has anyone had success with it?

[Guest guest]

I am one who has written about it here, because it (although it is a multi marketing product) has made some remarkable results happen on the VARHOPE as well as in their systems. Mine included, items which would not become responsive have now done so. There is a product which is just as good (and I've used both) called Zeolite (which is what is in the NCD) from a company called Or-Ion Minerals. They are NOT multi-marketing and you can find information online at www.or-ion.com for direct order.

Yours in heath,

Dr. Kathy

Natural Cellular Defense

Has anyone had any experience with using the SCIO with this product they can share. Several on this message group have referred to it in privtate emails. Would like to hear on this site experiences and or testimonials on the product.Thanks much Sharon

[Guest guest]

Anyone familiar with natural cellular defense or zeolite for removal of

heavy metals? Director at our clinic says that it did wonders for her

son but I think she also sells it so I don't know how much to believe

that.

[Guest guest]

We are starting Zeolite this week based on good things I had heard about it on

another group, IBK.

We purchased Zeolite Enhanced. It is EXPENSIVE, but I was told that I would only

have to use it for 4-6 mths.

I figure what do we have to lose? If you want the source of where we purchased

ours and to compare prices, you can email me off list if you like.

R.

[Guest guest]

NCD is indeed a very good heavy metal remover and different than other

chelators. In the files are some documents, or you can email me for

more science if you like.

Here are the main differences:

1. It is predictable in it's action. Every time it is consumed, it is

uptaked into the circulatory system, attracts heavy metals, draws them

into a cage like structure and binds them irreversibly. Once enough

toxins are in the cage, the structure becomes net nuetral in charge and

is eliminated.

2. It is not charge specific, meaning that it will attract and bind

all dense, positively charged toxins. It so happens that in nature the

most toxic are dense and highly charged, such as Cadmium, Arsenic,

Mercury, etc. It also so happens that in nature those elements that

our body needs are not highly charged and small, not kept in the cage,

such as Calcium, Magnesium, Phosporous, etc.

3. It is passive in it's behavior. What that means is that the

zeolite passively moves with the flow of blood and lymph, attracting,

binding and removing. It does not stimulate the body to release stored

toxins. This is preferable because when the body is stimulated to

relase what it has already stored away safely, it creates a more toxic

situation initially. With the NCD, what happens in clinical trials,

observations, over a period of many months, typically, is that as the

circulatory system is cleaned, the body naturally gently begins to

release stored toxins at a rate that the NCD can eliminate them.

4. With these mechanisms, over a period of time, the NCD is thorough

in it's action.

Blessings,

, BS.HT

Board Certified Holistic Practitioner

www.SignificantHealing.com

>

> Anyone familiar with natural cellular defense or zeolite for removal

of

> heavy metals? Director at our clinic says that it did wonders for her

> son but I think she also sells it so I don't know how much to believe

> that.

>

[Guest guest]

Again, lots of claims, way short of proof. Please provide us with

proof of your claims. These are all pie in the sky wishes until you

provide some evidence that NCD does what you say it does. I have seen

absolutely nothing from Waiora that suggests any of your claims are

true aside from meaningless words.

Really hard to take any of this seriously.

Mark Schauss

www.ToxicWorldBook.com

> >

> > Anyone familiar with natural cellular defense or zeolite for

removal

> of

> > heavy metals? Director at our clinic says that it did wonders for

her

> > son but I think she also sells it so I don't know how much to

believe

> > that.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Understand that the zeolite market was insignificant (and dubious at

best) before the launch of Natural Cellular Defense, some two years

ago.

Rik Deitsch has completed 14 clinical trials on the NCD. The first of

these are being published in May with at least a dozen publications

over the next year. His clinicians have more experience with

clinoptilolite in humans than the rest of the world (in history)

combined.

I have uploaded some research at the group. The files uploaded have

been more than sufficient for the more than twenty doctors whom I

work with, with NCD.

Best of luck to you in your endeavors,

, BS.HT

Board Certified Holistic Practitioner

www.SignificantHealing.com

> > >

> > > Anyone familiar with natural cellular defense or zeolite for

> removal

> > of

> > > heavy metals? Director at our clinic says that it did wonders

for

> her

> > > son but I think she also sells it so I don't know how much to

> believe

> > > that.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

To add something here, I had some time to talk to Dr. Boyd Haley when

he spoke at a conference with me in Broomfield, Colorado last year

and he was adamant that NCD did not bind with mercury. He put it into

a beeker with mercury in a solution and nothing happened. No binding,

no insertion into " the cage " , nada. It may do " something " in the

body, but it isn't by any stretch of the imagination, binding any

heavy metals. There is no evidence that it does, quite the contrary,

there is evidence that it doesn't.

Mark Schauss

www.ToxicWorldBook.com

>

>

> I apologize for my non-scientific questions, but these are the

> questions that came to mind when I read this information. You can

> reply with scientific info if you want, there are people here who

> understand science and can " interpret " for me LOL

>

>

> > 1. It is predictable in it's action.

>

>

> I believe this can be said about *almost* anything natural. How is

> this different, if in fact it is?

>

>

> >>Every time it is consumed, it is

> > uptaked into the circulatory system, attracts heavy metals, draws

them

> > into a cage like structure and binds them irreversibly. Once

enough

> > toxins are in the cage, the structure becomes net nuetral in

charge and

> > is eliminated.

>

>

> What does it do if you don't have any more metals in your body for

it

> to attract? If it is not " net neutral " , what happens to it?

>

>

> > 2. It is not charge specific, meaning that it will attract and

bind

> > all dense, positively charged toxins.

>

>

> So then it is a negatively charged substance? Also, this relates to

> my question above, what happens if there is nothing present for it

to

> attract?

>

>

> > 3. It is passive in it's behavior. What that means is that the

> > zeolite passively moves with the flow of blood and lymph,

attracting,

> > binding and removing. It does not stimulate the body to release

stored

> > toxins. This is preferable because when the body is stimulated

to

> > relase what it has already stored away safely, it creates a more

toxic

> > situation initially. With the NCD, what happens in clinical

trials,

> > observations, over a period of many months, typically, is that as

the

> > circulatory system is cleaned, the body naturally gently begins

to

> > release stored toxins at a rate that the NCD can eliminate them.

>

>

> Based on my research and understanding, mercury in the brain will

not

> be naturally released by the body, a chelator has to come in and

pull

> it out. So perhaps NCD will clear body load but not the mercury in

> the brain?

>

> Or, if in fact the body does expel stored mercury, it seems like

for a

> very highly toxic person, this could take a LOOOOOOOONG time,

> definitely not the 4-6 months that someone else posted about what

she

> was told.

>

> The fact that you write " the body is stimulated to release what it

has

> already stored away safely " , sounds odd to me, because I can't

imagine

> that mercury stored in the brain was stored away SAFELY.

>

> Also you write, in the next phrase of the same sentence, " it

creates a

> more toxic situation initially " . I don't think any of us want to

> create a MORE toxic situation. Your description of the NCD " binding

> irreversibly " and then excreting the toxins, is the opposite of this

> description where it creates a more toxic situation initially. Can

> you clarify?

>

> Also, what does not make sense to my non-scientific brain, is that

you

> wrote " It does not stimulate the body to release stored toxins " and

in

> the same paragraph you wrote " the body naturally gently begins to

> release stored toxins " . These seem contradictory. Can you explain?

>

>

> > 4. With these mechanisms, over a period of time, the NCD is

thorough

> > in it's action.

>

>

> How long, for a highly toxic person?

>

> In a previous message, I wrote that I had tried NCD a while back,

> probably a year or so now. It left a really bad aftertaste.

Someone,

> I don't remember if it was you, replied that it was probably because

> it was pulling toxins and I must be highly toxic.

>

> I have been using ALA for over a year now, and I have experienced a

> LOT of good improvements, etc. So I know I am not as toxic now as I

> was before. I took more NCD this morning. I have a stomachache

and

> bad aftertaste, again. Any ideas?

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Please do let us know when something is finally published. I am

sure many here would like to see the studies and results.

Anne

> > > >

> > > > Anyone familiar with natural cellular defense or zeolite for

> > removal

> > > of

> > > > heavy metals? Director at our clinic says that it did

wonders

> for

> > her

> > > > son but I think she also sells it so I don't know how much

to

> > believe

> > > > that.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dana - I am happy to respond, as it is my intention to be clear,

concise and accurate.

1.. It is predictable in it's action.

>

> I believe this can be said about *almost* anything natural. How is

> this different, if in fact it is?

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE PREDICTABILITY THAT I AM REFERRING TO IS

THAT THE NCD LIQUID ZEOLITES BEHAVE THE WAY THAT THEY DO BECAUSE OF

BIOCHEMISTRY. EVERY TIME THEY ARE INGESTED, THEY ENTER THE

CIRCULATORY SYSTEM, AND EVERY TIME THEY ATTRACT HEAVY METALS AND

VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS AND EVERY TIME THEY ELIMINATE THEM FROM

THE BODY. THE NCD LIQUID ZEOLITES ARE NOT DEPENDING UPON ANY

FUNCTION OF THE BODY TO OPERATE EXCEPT FOR THE BLOOD AND LYMPH

FLOWING. SOME HERBS AND CHELATORS DEPEND UPON KIDNEY AND LIVER

FUNCTION TO ELIMINATE (AND IF THEY KIDNEYS AND/OR LIVER ARE NOT

STRONG ENOUGH, THE TOXINS ARE REDISTRIBUTED). THE NCD LIQUID

ZEOLITES ARE ACTUALLY SAFE ENOUGH FOR SOMEONE ON DIALYSIS TO CONSUME,

AS THEY DO NOT INCREASE THE BODY BURDEN.

>

>

> >>Every time it is consumed, it is

> > uptaked into the circulatory system, attracts heavy metals, draws

them

> > into a cage like structure and binds them irreversibly. Once

enough

> > toxins are in the cage, the structure becomes net nuetral in

charge and

> > is eliminated.

>

>

> What does it do if you don't have any more metals in your body for

it

> to attract? If it is not " net neutral " , what happens to it?

BECAUSE OF THE STATE OF OUR MOTHER EARTH, THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING

FOR IT TO ATTRACT, BIND AND REMOVE, FROM THE CONSTANT EXPOSURES OF

AIR, WATER AND FOOD. METAL, PLASTICS, BENZENES, ETC. ON AVERAGE,

ADULTS HAVE OVER 2,000 DIFFERENT CHEMICALS IN THEM, AND CHILDREN

UPWARDS OF 700. THE PROCESS OF ATTRACTING, BINDING AND REMOVING IS

CALLED CATIONIC EXCHANGE, AND BASICALLY WHAT HAPPPENS IS THAT IT

CONTINUES TO EXCHANGE OUT LOWLY CHARGED ELEMENTS LIKE CALCIUM, UNTIL

THE CHARGE IS NUETRAL.

>

>

> > 2. It is not charge specific, meaning that it will attract and

bind

> > all dense, positively charged toxins.

>

>

> So then it is a negatively charged substance? Also, this relates to

> my question above, what happens if there is nothing present for it

to

> attract?

YES, CLINOPTILOLITE ZEOLITE IS ONE OF THE FEW NEGATIVELY CHARGED

MINERALS IN NATURE.

>

>

> > 3. It is passive in it's behavior. What that means is that the

> > zeolite passively moves with the flow of blood and lymph,

attracting,

> > binding and removing. It does not stimulate the body to release

stored

> > toxins. This is preferable because when the body is stimulated

to

> > relase what it has already stored away safely, it creates a more

toxic

> > situation initially. With the NCD, what happens in clinical

trials,

> > observations, over a period of many months, typically, is that as

the

> > circulatory system is cleaned, the body naturally gently begins

to

> > release stored toxins at a rate that the NCD can eliminate them.

>

>

> Based on my research and understanding, mercury in the brain will

not

> be naturally released by the body, a chelator has to come in and

pull

> it out. So perhaps NCD will clear body load but not the mercury in

> the brain?

THE FDA DOES NOT PERMIT WAIORA TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT NCD BREAKS

THE BLOOD BRAIN BARRIER; HOWEVER, IT IS ACCURATE TO STATE THAT

ANYWHERE THAT BLOOD AND LYMPH FLOW, THE NCD LIQUID ZEOLTES MOVE WITH

IT. IT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS

PRODUCT, THAT MERCURCY IS BEING REMOVED FROM THE BRAIN. YOU SEE, FOR

OVER 25 YEARS I HAD SEIZURES AND WAS MEDICATED. WITH THE USE OF NCD

LIQUID ZEOLTES, MYSTERIOUSLY THE NEED FOR MEDICATION IS REMOVED. I

HAVE HAD THREE OTHER CLIENTS WHO PREVIOUSLY HAD SEIZURES. MY

ASSUMPTION IS THAT PERHAPS THE LARGE LOAD OF MERCURY THAT I HAVE HAD

AND THESE OTHERS, THAT PERHAPS THE MERCURY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH

THE SEIZURES? MERCURY CLEARLY APPEARS IN THE URINE TESTS IMMEDIATELY

FOLLOWING THE INTRODUCTION OF NCD, PREDICTABLY.

>

> Or, if in fact the body does expel stored mercury, it seems like

for a

> very highly toxic person, this could take a LOOOOOOOONG time,

> definitely not the 4-6 months that someone else posted about what

she

> was told.

IN FACT, IN CLINICAL TRIALS, THE AVERAGE HEALTHY PERSON WAS

DETOXIFIED (TESTED W/ CHEST HAIR AND URINE ANALYSIS) WITHIN THIRTY

DAYS. COAL MINERS, HIGHLY TOXIC, ON THE OTHER HAND, WERE STILL

SPILLING LARGE AMOUNTS OF TOXINS NINETY DAYS AFTER BEGININNG THE

ZEOLITE. NEXT TIME I VISIT W/ RIK, I SHOULD ASK HIM ABOUT ONGOING

TESTS ON THOSE COAL MINERS! THE FACT IS, THAT URINE ANALYSIS TESTING

MONTHLY IS BENEFICIAL TO SEE WHERE ONE IS.

WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED IS THAT THE FIRST MONTH THINGS LIKE MERCURY,

CADMIUM AND OTHER HEAVY, DENSE METALS ARE SPILLING IN THE URINE, AND

MONTHS FOLLOWING OTHER METALS LIKE PLATNIUM, ETC. ARE SPILLILNG.

THIS IS BECAUSE THE HEAVIEST, DENSEST, HIGHEST CHARGE IS GOING TO

PUSH OUT OF THE CAGE ANYTHING LESS DENSE AND CHARGED. (CATIONIC

EXCHANGE)

>

> The fact that you write " the body is stimulated to release what it

has

> already stored away safely " , sounds odd to me, because I can't

imagine

> that mercury stored in the brain was stored away SAFELY.

CORRECT, NEVER SAFE IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS SAFE TO BREATHE AIR;

HOWEVER, LET ME EXPLAIN. WHEN THE BODY IS INTRODUCED TO A TOXIN, IT

WILL DO ONE OF THREE THINGS. IT WILL FIRST ATTEMPT TO ELIMINATE IT.

IF IT CANNOT ELIMINATE IT, IT WILL TRY TO TRANSFORM IT INTO A WATER

SOLUBLE, SO THAT IT CAN ELIMINATE IT. IF IT CANNOT DO ONE OF THESE

TWO THINGS, THEN IT WILL RESORT TO SEQUESTERING IT. PUTTING IT IN A

PLACE THAT IS THE LEAST DAMAGING TO THE BODY. FOR INSTANCE, LEAD IS

OFTEN TIME SEQUESTERED IN THE BONE. OTHER TOXINS ARE SEQUESTERED IN

FAT (AND FOR SOME PEOPLE, TOXICITY IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO WEIGHT

GAIN, THE BODIES ATTEMPT TO PROTECT THEM). MERCURY, UNFORTUNATELY,

OFTEN ENDS UP AROUND THE NUEROTRANSMTTERS.

>

> Also you write, in the next phrase of the same sentence, " it

creates a

> more toxic situation initially " .

THIS REFERENCE IS TO OTHER CHELATORS, THAT ARE STIMULATING THE

RELEASE OF THESE SEQUESTERED TOXINS, WHICH CLINOPTILOLITE ZEOLITE

DOES NOT DO. THE NCD MERELY MOVES THROUGH THE BODIES BLOOD AND

LYMPH, ATTRACTING AND ABSORBING WHAT IS FLOATING AROUND CAUSING

PROBLEMS. THE SEQUESTERED TOXINS ARE STAYING RIGHT WHERE THEY ARE

UNTIL THE BODY DECIDES TO RELEASE THEM ON IT'S OWN.

I don't think any of us want to

> create a MORE toxic situation. Your description of the NCD " binding

> irreversibly " and then excreting the toxins, is the opposite of this

> description where it creates a more toxic situation initially. Can

> you clarify?

>

> Also, what does not make sense to my non-scientific brain, is that

you

> wrote " It does not stimulate the body to release stored toxins " and

in

> the same paragraph you wrote " the body naturally gently begins to

> release stored toxins " . These seem contradictory. Can you explain?

WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT AFTER A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS, RATHER

PREDICTABLY, IN CLINICAL TRIALS, THE CIRCULATORY SYSTEM IS RELATIVELY

CLEAN AND HAS BEEN FOR SOME MONTHS, WITH THE CONTINUED EXPOSURE/USE

OF NCD TO MAINTAIN THE NEW EXPOSURES. THE BODY IDENTIFIES THIS AND

BEGINS TO RELEASE SOME OF THOSE SEQUESTERED TOXINS INTO THE

CIRCULATORY SYSTEM. IT IS THE BODY WHO WANTS TO GET RID OF

SEQUESTERED TOXINS AND DECIDES HOW AND WHEN. THE SIX MONTHS IS AN

OBSERVATION MADE CLINICALLY WITH OVER TWO HUNDRED PARTICIPANTS OVER A

PERIOD OF TWO YEARS. IT IS AS THE BODY RELEASES THAT THE

CLINOPTILOLITE CAN MOP UP THE PREVIOUSLY SEQUESTERED TOXINS IF

PRESENT.

> > 4. With these mechanisms, over a period of time, the NCD is

thorough

> > in it's action.

>

>

> How long, for a highly toxic person?

NO TWO PEOPLE ARE ALIKE; HOWEVER, CLINICAL TRIALS INDICATE THIRTY

DAYS FOR A HEALTHY PERSON (AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CIRCULATORY

SYSTEM, NOT SEQUESTERED TOXINS) AND A WIDE VARIATION W/ THOSE WHOM

ARE TOXIC. THE ONLY REAL WAY TO KNOW IS TO TEST PERIODICALLY AND

URINE CHALLENGE TESTS SEEM TO BE THE MOST REVEALING.

THE RESEARCHERS HAVE STATED THAT IT IS REALISTIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT

NEVER WILL THE BODY BE PRISTINE, THAT IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT, THAT

THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE. WWW.INVISIBLEKILLERS.COM

>

> In a previous message, I wrote that I had tried NCD a while back,

> probably a year or so now. It left a really bad aftertaste.

Someone,

> I don't remember if it was you, replied that it was probably because

> it was pulling toxins and I must be highly toxic.

>

> I have been using ALA for over a year now, and I have experienced a

> LOT of good improvements, etc. So I know I am not as toxic now as I

> was before. I took more NCD this morning. I have a stomachache

and

> bad aftertaste, again. Any ideas?

VERY GENTLY I SAY THIS, AS I AM A MOTHER. THE BEST WAY FOR A WOMAN

TO DETOXIFY IS THE GET PREGNANT. IT USED TO BE BELEIVED THAT THE

PLACENTA PROTECTS THE INFANTS FROM TOXINS THE MOTHER MIGHT HAVE, BUT

RECENT RESEARCH HAS INDICATED OTHERWISE. IT IS REASONABLE TO

CONSIDER THAT CHILDREN WITH TOXICITY ISSUES MAY HAVE MOTHERS WITH

TOXICITY ISSUES. MY OWN FIRST BORN (SON) WAS GIVEN THE GIFT OF

HYPERACTIVITY AND MIGRAINES, WHICH HAVE IMPROVED WITH NCD. I ASSUME

THAT THESE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE GIFT OF MERCURY THAT I GAVE HIM.

YOU SEE, AS A CHILD, I HAD ON AVERAGE 26 FILLINGS A YEAR.

YOU MAY WISH TO TAKE WITH FOOD, WITHOUT FOOD, BEFORE SLEEP, AND JUST

TRY DIFFERENT TIMES TO SEE WHEN IS THE MOST COMFORTABLE FOR YOU.

MOST DO NOT HAVE ADVERSE REACATIONS AND AFTER TASTES, LIKE THIS, BUT

IT IS NOT UNHEARD OF.

SOME PARENTS OF AUTISTIC CHILDREN HAVE REPORTED THAT LOW AMOUNTS ARE

BEST, WHILE OTHERS HAVE STATED THAT ONCE THE DROPS ARE INCREASED,

THAT THEY FIND IMPROVEMENTS IN BEHAVIOR. THE VOLATILE ORGANIC

COMPOUNDS ARE FLAT AND STICK TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE CAGE LIKE

STRUCTURE, AND CAN RESULT IN TISSUE INTERACTION ON THE WAY OUT OF THE

BODY. I HAVE NOTED THAT THOSE EXPOSED TO MANY CHEMICALS, CHEMICALLY

SENSITIVE PEOPLE, RELATE THAT THE NCD LIQUID ZEOLITES FOR THEM ARE

NOT A WALK IN THE PARK LIKE FOR MOST PEOPLE.

I HOPE THAT THIS SHEDS SOME MORE LIGHT ON THE SCIENCE OF NCD LIQUID

ZEOLITES. MANY BLESSINGS TO ALL OF YOU DEDICATED PARENTS!

VICTORIA SMITH, BS.HT

BOARD CERTIFIED HOLISTIC PRACTITIONER

WWW.SIGNIFICANTHEALING.COM

WWW.ZEOLITEEXPERT.COM

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Mark Schauss - I do not have a thorough answer to your question

here; however, I would be happy to oblige you in requesting a

conference call w/ Rik Deitsch, so you can ask him directly.

Email or call me off list to arrange.

Respectfully,

, BS.HT

@...

859-801-1730

> >

> >

> > I apologize for my non-scientific questions, but these are the

> > questions that came to mind when I read this information. You can

> > reply with scientific info if you want, there are people here who

> > understand science and can " interpret " for me LOL

> >

> >

> > > 1. It is predictable in it's action.

> >

> >

> > I believe this can be said about *almost* anything natural. How

is

> > this different, if in fact it is?

> >

> >

> > >>Every time it is consumed, it is

> > > uptaked into the circulatory system, attracts heavy metals,

draws

> them

> > > into a cage like structure and binds them irreversibly. Once

> enough

> > > toxins are in the cage, the structure becomes net nuetral in

> charge and

> > > is eliminated.

> >

> >

> > What does it do if you don't have any more metals in your body

for

> it

> > to attract? If it is not " net neutral " , what happens to it?

> >

> >

> > > 2. It is not charge specific, meaning that it will attract and

> bind

> > > all dense, positively charged toxins.

> >

> >

> > So then it is a negatively charged substance? Also, this relates

to

> > my question above, what happens if there is nothing present for

it

> to

> > attract?

> >

> >

> > > 3. It is passive in it's behavior. What that means is that

the

> > > zeolite passively moves with the flow of blood and lymph,

> attracting,

> > > binding and removing. It does not stimulate the body to

release

> stored

> > > toxins. This is preferable because when the body is stimulated

> to

> > > relase what it has already stored away safely, it creates a

more

> toxic

> > > situation initially. With the NCD, what happens in clinical

> trials,

> > > observations, over a period of many months, typically, is that

as

> the

> > > circulatory system is cleaned, the body naturally gently begins

> to

> > > release stored toxins at a rate that the NCD can eliminate

them.

> >

> >

> > Based on my research and understanding, mercury in the brain will

> not

> > be naturally released by the body, a chelator has to come in and

> pull

> > it out. So perhaps NCD will clear body load but not the mercury

in

> > the brain?

> >

> > Or, if in fact the body does expel stored mercury, it seems like

> for a

> > very highly toxic person, this could take a LOOOOOOOONG time,

> > definitely not the 4-6 months that someone else posted about what

> she

> > was told.

> >

> > The fact that you write " the body is stimulated to release what

it

> has

> > already stored away safely " , sounds odd to me, because I can't

> imagine

> > that mercury stored in the brain was stored away SAFELY.

> >

> > Also you write, in the next phrase of the same sentence, " it

> creates a

> > more toxic situation initially " . I don't think any of us want to

> > create a MORE toxic situation. Your description of the

NCD " binding

> > irreversibly " and then excreting the toxins, is the opposite of

this

> > description where it creates a more toxic situation initially.

Can

> > you clarify?

> >

> > Also, what does not make sense to my non-scientific brain, is

that

> you

> > wrote " It does not stimulate the body to release stored toxins "

and

> in

> > the same paragraph you wrote " the body naturally gently begins to

> > release stored toxins " . These seem contradictory. Can you

explain?

> >

> >

> > > 4. With these mechanisms, over a period of time, the NCD is

> thorough

> > > in it's action.

> >

> >

> > How long, for a highly toxic person?

> >

> > In a previous message, I wrote that I had tried NCD a while back,

> > probably a year or so now. It left a really bad aftertaste.

> Someone,

> > I don't remember if it was you, replied that it was probably

because

> > it was pulling toxins and I must be highly toxic.

> >

> > I have been using ALA for over a year now, and I have experienced

a

> > LOT of good improvements, etc. So I know I am not as toxic now

as I

> > was before. I took more NCD this morning. I have a stomachache

> and

> > bad aftertaste, again. Any ideas?

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I used NCD agressivly for 3 months. No permanent improvement.

Their Zeolite Autism Study (zeoliteautismstudy.com) is nonsense. They

will never publish anything. It just makes the product look credible

and professional. Nice marketing but very unethical in my opinion.

It's extremly easy to prove the chelating properties of zeolite. Just

recruit 20 mercury toxic people, give them the drops and measure the

*dramatic* heavy metal excretion that follows...

[Guest guest]

To get accused of being prejudiced and lacking knowledge to

understand zeolites? Nah, I'll pass on talking to Rik Deitsch.

Oh and please, stop bringing up the coal miners study and NCD. It was

one of the most laughable and worthless pieces of babble ever used in

product promotion. It was highly flawed and proved nothing. As I've

said before, salt water could have increased the excretion of heavy

metals from the group studied. NCD did nothing more than that.

Mark Schauss

www.ToxicWorldBook.com

> > >

> > >

> > > I apologize for my non-scientific questions, but these are the

> > > questions that came to mind when I read this information. You

can

> > > reply with scientific info if you want, there are people here

who

> > > understand science and can " interpret " for me LOL

> > >

> > >

> > > > 1. It is predictable in it's action.

> > >

> > >

> > > I believe this can be said about *almost* anything natural.

How

> is

> > > this different, if in fact it is?

> > >

> > >

> > > >>Every time it is consumed, it is

> > > > uptaked into the circulatory system, attracts heavy metals,

> draws

> > them

> > > > into a cage like structure and binds them irreversibly. Once

> > enough

> > > > toxins are in the cage, the structure becomes net nuetral in

> > charge and

> > > > is eliminated.

> > >

> > >

> > > What does it do if you don't have any more metals in your body

> for

> > it

> > > to attract? If it is not " net neutral " , what happens to it?

> > >

> > >

> > > > 2. It is not charge specific, meaning that it will attract

and

> > bind

> > > > all dense, positively charged toxins.

> > >

> > >

> > > So then it is a negatively charged substance? Also, this

relates

> to

> > > my question above, what happens if there is nothing present for

> it

> > to

> > > attract?

> > >

> > >

> > > > 3. It is passive in it's behavior. What that means is that

> the

> > > > zeolite passively moves with the flow of blood and lymph,

> > attracting,

> > > > binding and removing. It does not stimulate the body to

> release

> > stored

> > > > toxins. This is preferable because when the body is

stimulated

> > to

> > > > relase what it has already stored away safely, it creates a

> more

> > toxic

> > > > situation initially. With the NCD, what happens in clinical

> > trials,

> > > > observations, over a period of many months, typically, is

that

> as

> > the

> > > > circulatory system is cleaned, the body naturally gently

begins

> > to

> > > > release stored toxins at a rate that the NCD can eliminate

> them.

> > >

> > >

> > > Based on my research and understanding, mercury in the brain

will

> > not

> > > be naturally released by the body, a chelator has to come in

and

> > pull

> > > it out. So perhaps NCD will clear body load but not the

mercury

> in

> > > the brain?

> > >

> > > Or, if in fact the body does expel stored mercury, it seems

like

> > for a

> > > very highly toxic person, this could take a LOOOOOOOONG time,

> > > definitely not the 4-6 months that someone else posted about

what

> > she

> > > was told.

> > >

> > > The fact that you write " the body is stimulated to release what

> it

> > has

> > > already stored away safely " , sounds odd to me, because I can't

> > imagine

> > > that mercury stored in the brain was stored away SAFELY.

> > >

> > > Also you write, in the next phrase of the same sentence, " it

> > creates a

> > > more toxic situation initially " . I don't think any of us want

to

> > > create a MORE toxic situation. Your description of the

> NCD " binding

> > > irreversibly " and then excreting the toxins, is the opposite of

> this

> > > description where it creates a more toxic situation initially.

> Can

> > > you clarify?

> > >

> > > Also, what does not make sense to my non-scientific brain, is

> that

> > you

> > > wrote " It does not stimulate the body to release stored toxins "

> and

> > in

> > > the same paragraph you wrote " the body naturally gently begins

to

> > > release stored toxins " . These seem contradictory. Can you

> explain?

> > >

> > >

> > > > 4. With these mechanisms, over a period of time, the NCD is

> > thorough

> > > > in it's action.

> > >

> > >

> > > How long, for a highly toxic person?

> > >

> > > In a previous message, I wrote that I had tried NCD a while

back,

> > > probably a year or so now. It left a really bad aftertaste.

> > Someone,

> > > I don't remember if it was you, replied that it was probably

> because

> > > it was pulling toxins and I must be highly toxic.

> > >

> > > I have been using ALA for over a year now, and I have

experienced

> a

> > > LOT of good improvements, etc. So I know I am not as toxic now

> as I

> > > was before. I took more NCD this morning. I have a

stomachache

> > and

> > > bad aftertaste, again. Any ideas?

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE PREDICTABILITY THAT I AM REFERRING TO IS

> THAT THE NCD LIQUID ZEOLITES BEHAVE THE WAY THAT THEY DO BECAUSE OF

> BIOCHEMISTRY.

So then this is the same as any other biochemical product. Chemicals

behave the way they do, because of their chemical composition.

When interacting with living things, there can be variations, because

all living things are different. But the basic chemical nature is the

same. I still don't see why this is a " difference " , but I suppose it

does not matter.

>>EVERY TIME THEY ARE INGESTED, THEY ENTER THE

> CIRCULATORY SYSTEM, AND EVERY TIME THEY ATTRACT HEAVY METALS AND

> VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS

Based on my limited memory of high school chemistry [back when we used

candles for light and Ben lin was still flying kites], " organic "

meant that it contained carbon. Does it work on non-carbon compounds

also? Or is my memory incomplete?

What is the definition of " volatile " as you use it above? Here are

two that I found:

1. A measure of the tendency of a substance to vaporize. How readily

a substance vaporizes.

2. Tending to erupt into violence.

Or perhaps a more general definition, a measure of instability.

If you mean the general definition, I think of " radioactivity " as an

unstable substance. Is that what you are referencing? It eliminates

radioactive carbon-based substances? What would those be? What is an

example of a " volatile organic compound " ? I am trying to figure out

what, in addition to metals, this product is supposed to remove. This

is the type of information I wanted for any product I used for my

kids, and because I was unable to obtain information on NCD, I decided

not to use it for my kids.

>>AND EVERY TIME THEY ELIMINATE THEM FROM

> THE BODY. THE NCD LIQUID ZEOLITES ARE NOT DEPENDING UPON ANY

> FUNCTION OF THE BODY TO OPERATE EXCEPT FOR THE BLOOD AND LYMPH

> FLOWING. SOME HERBS AND CHELATORS DEPEND UPON KIDNEY AND LIVER

> FUNCTION TO ELIMINATE (AND IF THEY KIDNEYS AND/OR LIVER ARE NOT

> STRONG ENOUGH, THE TOXINS ARE REDISTRIBUTED). THE NCD LIQUID

> ZEOLITES ARE ACTUALLY SAFE ENOUGH FOR SOMEONE ON DIALYSIS TO CONSUME,

> AS THEY DO NOT INCREASE THE BODY BURDEN.

You said it eliminated metals thru the bm and urine. So that would by

definition mean it was passing thru the liver and kidneys. So it does

depend on the body functions, to be eliminated.

> > What does it do if you don't have any more metals in your body for

> it

> > to attract? If it is not " net neutral " , what happens to it?

>

> BECAUSE OF THE STATE OF OUR MOTHER EARTH, THERE IS ALWAYS SOMETHING

> FOR IT TO ATTRACT, BIND AND REMOVE, FROM THE CONSTANT EXPOSURES OF

> AIR, WATER AND FOOD.

But this does not answer the entire question. If, for example, I was

taking the recommended 9 drops per day as indicated on the bottle, it

would clear out a certain amount of " toxins " from the body. What if

the body at one point was clear of toxins, except for the daily

exposure. If I kept taking 9 drops, but there was not " 9 drops worth

of toxins " to remove, what happens to the balance? Or conversely, if

9 drops is good for the daily exposure, how is it supposed to handle

the excess also?

>>THE PROCESS OF ATTRACTING, BINDING AND REMOVING IS

> CALLED CATIONIC EXCHANGE, AND BASICALLY WHAT HAPPPENS IS THAT IT

> CONTINUES TO EXCHANGE OUT LOWLY CHARGED ELEMENTS LIKE CALCIUM, UNTIL

> THE CHARGE IS NUETRAL.

So then if the situation I described above occurs, and there is not

sufficient toxins for the amount of zeolite used, then it will pull

calcium? For my son, this would have been good, because he was

calcium toxic and I did have to use a demineralizer for him for

several months to reduce the toxicity. For other kids, this would not

be a good thing, so the parents should be informed that they would

need to increase calcium supplementation.

And when you write " exchange out " , what exactly does that mean? It

takes out the calcium and exchanges it with what?

> YES, CLINOPTILOLITE ZEOLITE IS ONE OF THE FEW NEGATIVELY CHARGED

> MINERALS IN NATURE.

What minerals are present in NCD? Is it just one mineral, or several?

> THE FDA DOES NOT PERMIT WAIORA TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT NCD BREAKS

> THE BLOOD BRAIN BARRIER;

My bottle states " helps remove heavy metals and toxins from the body "

with a * after that. Nowhere on the bottle that I can find, does it

define what the * means, except it states " see package or insert for

info " . I don't have a package or insert.

But it does state " body " . It is implying the brain also? Or just the

body?

> IN FACT, IN CLINICAL TRIALS, THE AVERAGE HEALTHY PERSON WAS

> DETOXIFIED (TESTED W/ CHEST HAIR AND URINE ANALYSIS) WITHIN THIRTY

> DAYS. COAL MINERS, HIGHLY TOXIC, ON THE OTHER HAND, WERE STILL

> SPILLING LARGE AMOUNTS OF TOXINS NINETY DAYS AFTER BEGININNG THE

> ZEOLITE.

My son required 2-1/4 years of ALA chelation, and I used a dose

relatively higher than most people on this message group recommend.

So ALA then would be pulling mercury more slowly? And zeolite more

quickly? Does it matter how many drops of zeolite you are using? How

many is recommended as the maximum for a highly toxic person, beyond

the 3 drops 3x per day that the bottle recommends?

Is faster better? Wouldn't that stress the body more?

> WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED IS THAT THE FIRST MONTH THINGS LIKE MERCURY,

> CADMIUM AND OTHER HEAVY, DENSE METALS ARE SPILLING IN THE URINE,

So it is pulling primarily thru the kidneys?

> THIS IS BECAUSE THE HEAVIEST, DENSEST, HIGHEST CHARGE IS GOING TO

> PUSH OUT OF THE CAGE ANYTHING LESS DENSE AND CHARGED. (CATIONIC

> EXCHANGE)

So then things do slip out [or are pushed out] of the cage. Is this

only upon entry, or can it happen at any point during the excretion

process?

How heavy/dense/charged is mercury, compared to the other

metals/toxins that NCD attracts?

> THIS REFERENCE IS TO OTHER CHELATORS, THAT ARE STIMULATING THE

> RELEASE OF THESE SEQUESTERED TOXINS, WHICH CLINOPTILOLITE ZEOLITE

> DOES NOT DO. THE NCD MERELY MOVES THROUGH THE BODIES BLOOD AND

> LYMPH, ATTRACTING AND ABSORBING WHAT IS FLOATING AROUND CAUSING

> PROBLEMS. THE SEQUESTERED TOXINS ARE STAYING RIGHT WHERE THEY ARE

> UNTIL THE BODY DECIDES TO RELEASE THEM ON IT'S OWN.

What if the body will never stimulate itself to release mercury bound

up in the brain? The NCD won't get it out either.

> WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT AFTER A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS, RATHER

> PREDICTABLY, IN CLINICAL TRIALS, THE CIRCULATORY SYSTEM IS RELATIVELY

> CLEAN AND HAS BEEN FOR SOME MONTHS, WITH THE CONTINUED EXPOSURE/USE

> OF NCD TO MAINTAIN THE NEW EXPOSURES. THE BODY IDENTIFIES THIS AND

> BEGINS TO RELEASE SOME OF THOSE SEQUESTERED TOXINS INTO THE

> CIRCULATORY SYSTEM.

So this takes place after 6 months? How long does it take to fully

release the sequestered toxins? How do you know that all the toxins

are eventually out? Have any tests been done, that indicate a

complete clearing of mercury?

> THE BEST WAY FOR A WOMAN

> TO DETOXIFY IS THE GET PREGNANT.

I have four kids, my second child was the most toxic, altho it was

primarily from HepB vax at birth.

I was still toxic, even after four pregnancies. I appear to be almost

finished chelating now.

> YOU MAY WISH TO TAKE WITH FOOD, WITHOUT FOOD, BEFORE SLEEP, AND JUST

> TRY DIFFERENT TIMES TO SEE WHEN IS THE MOST COMFORTABLE FOR YOU.

> MOST DO NOT HAVE ADVERSE REACATIONS AND AFTER TASTES, LIKE THIS, BUT

> IT IS NOT UNHEARD OF.

Today I took it with food, and the aftertaste is still there, but the

stomachache is not. Definitely not a product I would recommend taking

on an empty stomach.

> SOME PARENTS OF AUTISTIC CHILDREN HAVE REPORTED THAT LOW AMOUNTS ARE

> BEST, WHILE OTHERS HAVE STATED THAT ONCE THE DROPS ARE INCREASED,

> THAT THEY FIND IMPROVEMENTS IN BEHAVIOR.

I am taking two drops at a time, 1x per day.

>>THE VOLATILE ORGANIC

> COMPOUNDS ARE FLAT AND STICK TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE CAGE LIKE

> STRUCTURE,

How do they get inside the cage, if in fact they do? This seems

contradictory, or at least confusing, to what you wrote above. Are

they sticking to the outside, or being confined inside the cage? Or

is it the metals that are inside, and the " volatile organic compounds "

are on the outside? How is it determined what goes inside and what

stays outside?

>>AND CAN RESULT IN TISSUE INTERACTION ON THE WAY OUT OF THE

> BODY. I HAVE NOTED THAT THOSE EXPOSED TO MANY CHEMICALS, CHEMICALLY

> SENSITIVE PEOPLE, RELATE THAT THE NCD LIQUID ZEOLITES FOR THEM ARE

> NOT A WALK IN THE PARK LIKE FOR MOST PEOPLE.

This happens with both chemically sensitive people, and those who have

been exposed to many chemicals?

So then, because most autistic kids are metal toxic and also

chemically sensitive and/or exposed to many chemicals, then NCD might

cause more problems than for the average person? What sorts of

problems have been reported? What sorts of problems are possible?

How can a parent prevent those problems from occurring, and reverse

the effects of those problems once they have occurred?

> I HOPE THAT THIS SHEDS SOME MORE LIGHT ON THE SCIENCE OF NCD LIQUID

> ZEOLITES.

I am still not a scientist! But I do have a lot of questions about

the product.

Dana

[Guest guest]

,

I don't know the details of your son's story, but I can tell you that

using zeolites for my son seems to do something to the viruses that

are a big part of his problem. I have read the same thing from

other parents. At just a few drops (I think it was 9/day) my son

developed very large blisters all over his hands. When we are

dealing with viruses in some way, my son also dumps huge levels of

metals while we chelate, compared to when we chelate while not

dealing with viruses. A number of UTMs have shown this and I don't

think it could be coincidence.

I'm not sure if any of this will provide clues for you. Zeolites do

something to some kids. I think they do something to viruses which

in a way I don't understand does something to metal excretion for my

son.

Anita

> >

> > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who actually

has

> some relevant

> > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of

control

> and unrelated to

> > reality.

> >

> > Andy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He's been getting Green Pasture CLO since he was 8m, which is over

5,000 IU/1/2 t (he gets 1/2 to a full t/ day).

I can add the E in for him probably.

I would not force capsules down him as he's always had a strong gag

reflex (sensory issue most likely). He is getting the 1/4 cap of

OLE/day & 1/2 cap of GSE 2x/day. He's very rashy & has a very stuffy

runny nose. It's been more chronic then usual lately, so I dont know

if increasing is good for him right now. I increased his biotin by

1mg earlier this week due to the OLE & yeast & he wheezed that day.

He's so sensitive.

Thanks, Michele

> > >

> > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who

> actually has

> > some relevant

> > > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of

> control

> > and unrelated to

> > > reality.

> > >

> > > Andy

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That's interesting because he's most likey " viral " ; I'm judging just

by his reaction to the OLE... I just keep wondering what happened...

Michele

> > >

> > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who

actually

> has

> > some relevant

> > > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of

> control

> > and unrelated to

> > > reality.

> > >

> > > Andy

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: special6mom

He's been getting Green Pasture CLO since he was 8m, which is over

5,000 IU/1/2 t (he gets 1/2 to a full t/ day).

I can add the E in for him probably.

===>Good, Vitamin E actually keeps the A and fatty acids in the system. It

wouldn't hurt to increase the clo, asthmatics require a ton of A. You might give

some thought to supplementing A in the acetate form as well as the clo.

TwinLabs makes an allergy A & D in which the A is in the acetate form. The

advantage of using the acetate (synthetic) form along with the clo is the

acetate is water soluble and if digestion is faulty the fat soluble A in the clo

does not always absorb.====>

I would not force capsules down him as he's always had a strong gag

reflex (sensory issue most likely). He is getting the 1/4 cap of

OLE/day & 1/2 cap of GSE 2x/day. He's very rashy & has a very stuffy

runny nose. It's been more chronic then usual lately, so I dont know

if increasing is good for him right now. I increased his biotin by

1mg earlier this week due to the OLE & yeast & he wheezed that day.

He's so sensitive.

====>Well, I wouldn't suggest nor have we ever forced capsules or anything

else down ours. The stuffy nose is inflammation, another clue that he would

benefit from more cod liver oil as clo is the best supplement for reducing

inflammation. Giving digestive enzymes 20-30 minutes before a meal on an empty

stomach as well as with a meal can also decrease inflammation. There are other

anti-inflammatory supplements as well.====>

Thanks, Michele

> > >

> > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who

> actually has

> > some relevant

> > > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of

> control

> > and unrelated to

> > > reality.

> > >

> > > Andy

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> > > >

> > > > I'm with Mark Schauss, Boyd Haley and everyone else who

> > actually has

> > > some relevant

> > > > knowledge of detox in thinking the NCD sales hype is out of

> > control

> > > and unrelated to

> > > > reality.

> > > >

> > > > Andy

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> Is it carnitine, that helps for fat absorption, or taurine? He gets

> taurine already. I tried carnitine but it didn't make a difference

> for him so dropped it.

My son needed both carnitine and taurine [and CoQ10] for proper fat

absorption. Carnitine was required for proper absorption of several

nutrients here, it was one of my kids' " miracle supps " .

Dana

[Guest guest]

Anita

A short time ago one of the nurses at our dr's office was telling me

that one of their patients was having huge metal dumps (mercury in

the red) from chelating (not sure what chelating agent) while taking

moderate doses of Virastop enzyme. I think she said the child was

taking 10-12 caps per day.

This seems to fall in line with what you are saying about metal dumps

being higher when virus is addressed simultaneously. I'm

considering ramping up our VS dose again and testing this to see if

we get higher metal pulls. We've run a number of UTMs now and

rarely see anything above green, except tin. The FTMs have shown

more in the yellow, but I'm definitely curious to see if giving a

higher dose of VS makes a difference on the metal pulls. Thanks for

sharing.

Sheresa

>

> ,

>

> I don't know the details of your son's story, but I can tell you

that

> using zeolites for my son seems to do something to the viruses that

> are a big part of his problem. I have read the same thing from

> other parents. At just a few drops (I think it was 9/day) my son

> developed very large blisters all over his hands. When we are

> dealing with viruses in some way, my son also dumps huge levels of

> metals while we chelate, compared to when we chelate while not

> dealing with viruses. A number of UTMs have shown this and I

don't

> think it could be coincidence.

>

> I'm not sure if any of this will provide clues for you. Zeolites

do

> something to some kids. I think they do something to viruses which

> in a way I don't understand does something to metal excretion for

my

> son.

>

> Anita

>