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Babies and toddlers can't clean their own parts when they go poop or pee.

Parents spend a lot of time " looking around " their young ones private parts.

I sure change a lot of diapers, not sure what parent has had a kid and NOT

cleaned them!?!?

Candace

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Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:11 AM

Subject: Re: Weird problem

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> Boy...that was my first thought, as well. But it is most likely that

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>> What's interesting to me is how would they know such a thing? Who goes

>> around looking inside 18mo toddlers' vaginas?<G>

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>> Sounds like either a labial adhesion or fusion? Perhaps gives more

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My neice had a problem in this area that remained undetected until

adolescence.

She had no opening at that time - they were uncertain if it had never

been there or had closed.

But it was a life threatening condition, for when her period started

there was no outlet. She

didn't know what was wrong, was simply in severe pain. The menses, with

no outlet, became

infected and required emergency surgery. Later further surgery was done

to recreate a more natural

opening. I mention it simply to let people, especially moms, know that

this is something that needs

to be checked for - apparently my sister, though she did of course clean

her baby, didn't actually

" look " specifically in that area, opening folds and such, just cleaned

the surfaces, and so it remained unnoticed. Its not something one

thinks to check for as long as everything is working okay. But

something not being okay nearly killed my neice, so I would encourage

moms to specifically look and check out that things in this area do seem

to be normal. Joy

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Sharyn - your post did seem to imply that there was something wrong with

looking for such a problem. That may not have been your intent, but it

seemed implicit in your tone. I do have difficulty understanding your

difficulty in understanding that something like this could indeed be

quite visible. No one suggested, as you asked your mother, that anyone

should do any poking or inserting. That would be invasive and could do

harm. I think there are numerous cultural norms in our world, and for

some, one is not really supposed to even " look " down there. Do the

washing, yes, let the washcloth get where it needs to, but don't really

look at what you're doing. Even doctors are hesitant to be as observant

in that area as they perhaps should be. My neice's doctor later

apologized to my sister. He had cared for my neice since birth, but it

seems it is a bit of a taboo to carefully examine this area unless there

are significant obvious problems. However, my neice could have died as

a result - and may never be able to have children as a result of the

severe pelvic inflammation that occured after her menses began and had

no outlet. It was clearly obvious, no penetration of any kind or depth

required - but simply involved direct looking at this area, holding back

the folds on either side, to clearly see there was no opening there.

Something one should be doing at any rate, with an infant, to ensure

cleanliness after diaper clean-ups. Sometimes our hang-ups can have

severe repercussions. This condition isn't common, but my neice's

doctor said every family doctor will have one or two patients with this

condition in his lifetime - so it is something doctors should look for,

and that moms should be aware of. As to the post that instigated your

original response, the person giving the second hand information said

there was repeated crusting - which would be visible, and

uncomfortable. When a child hurts, you look, or ask the doctor to

look. That is as it should be. Joy

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> explanations....but my point is that I haven't heard one yet.

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