Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 My son showed very high copper on his hair test. (30, with a reference range of 8.0 - 16) Due to a discovery of a yeast problem, we had switched him to a low sugar almond milk and were giving him large amounts of nuts as a source of protein at the time of his hair test. After seeing the hair test results, we stopped giving the nuts, and the almond milk, and returned to rice milk. However, I just noticed that one of his supplements, Cell food, which contains oxygen, trace minerals and elements, metabolic enzymes and amino acids, which helps him tremendously, contains " trace amounts " of copper and copper enzymes, tyrosinase and ascorbic acid oxidase. At the time of his hair test, we had just started this supplement. If we have stopped the almond milk, and the daily nut snacks to my son, are giving zinc three times daily, and molybenum twice daily, do we need to stop the cell food as well? Should I call the manufacturer to see how much " trace amounts " means in terms of copper content? I would hate to stop this supplement, it benefits him in so many ways in terms of behavior, bowels, yeast control. I do not know how I would replicate this in terms of individual supplements. I do know though that copper containing supplements are generally to be avoided by metal toxic people. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Irene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Ok, so this is a male under 6 yo. The 97.5th percentile (red zone) would be 30ppm, so it's just in the red. That is high, and it needs to be gotten down, but it's not _extremely_ high. So, I guess the decision really depends on how much is " trace " amounts. If it's less than a couple hundred micrograms, then it's probably not a problem. So yes, I'd try calling the manufacturer. Dave. ---------- Posted by: " iflow97 " iflow97@... iflow97 Date: Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:14 pm ((PDT)) My son showed very high copper on his hair test. (30, with a reference range of 8.0 - 16) Due to a discovery of a yeast problem, we had switched him to a low sugar almond milk and were giving him large amounts of nuts as a source of protein at the time of his hair test. After seeing the hair test results, we stopped giving the nuts, and the almond milk, and returned to rice milk. However, I just noticed that one of his supplements, Cell food, which contains oxygen, trace minerals and elements, metabolic enzymes and amino acids, which helps him tremendously, contains " trace amounts " of copper and copper enzymes, tyrosinase and ascorbic acid oxidase. At the time of his hair test, we had just started this supplement. If we have stopped the almond milk, and the daily nut snacks to my son, are giving zinc three times daily, and molybenum twice daily, do we need to stop the cell food as well? Should I call the manufacturer to see how much " trace amounts " means in terms of copper content? I would hate to stop this supplement, it benefits him in so many ways in terms of behavior, bowels, yeast control. I do not know how I would replicate this in terms of individual supplements. I do know though that copper containing supplements are generally to be avoided by metal toxic people. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. Irene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 If you are really concerned, I believe red blood cell copper is a good measure. Was zinc high? Personally, I would probably cut back on the zinc and increase/add foods higher in copper. My guess is, since you use a DAN! doctor, you are giving quite a hefty daily dose of zinc? I've never dealt with low copper levels, but my guess is the levels aren't worth worrying about too much unless they are in the red-low. No problem with using ALA if you have low copper. If you do supplement, I wouldn't do anything more than what is given in a standard multivitamin/mineral. No megadosing like they do with zinc. Pam > > Sorry for the long post, but Ive been reading earlier posts concerning copper levels and supplementation and wanted to double check and make sure I have the info right. > > My son's hair test shows low copper (8.8, ref range 11-32), with Zn/Cu ratio 19.3. Do I have it correct that the hair test isnt the best indicator of copper levels? > > His post urine metals test also showed low copper(didnt do a challege test, just collected urine after last dose of chelator for the round) .021, ref range ..012-.12. We're still waiting for blood test results (annual CBC, ferritin, thyroid, lipid, etc) and our DAN wants us to supplement copper. Am I right in understanding that this would not be a good thing? Should I just focus on giving copper rich foods? > > We're currently chelating 7 mg DMPS, 5 mg ALA. Do we need to reduce the doses or is it ok to continue with the current dose? > > One last question (maybe 2!), His hair test shows low calcium, lithium and magnesium, but the urine test shows the opposite. Is there a reason the two would show such different results and which test should I be relying on? > > Thanks > > Karla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Let us know how you get on Karla. I personally would not worry too much about the lithium as it was not red low, if supplementing lithium helps then great if not then leave it. I had undetectable lithium on my own hair test and taking 5mg a couple of times a day definitely helps but no great shakes. If copper falls so low as to put the copper/zinc ratio out it might be worth considering dropping Zinc for a while or giving small amounts of copper if blood tests also suggest this in order to maintain this ratio providing mineral transport appears orderly on a hair test. This hair test did not meet any counting rules but it is technically unusual. Kenny > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the long post, but Ive been reading earlier posts concerning copper levels and supplementation and wanted to double check and make sure I have the info right. > > > > > > > > > > My son's hair test shows low copper (8.8, ref range 11-32), with Zn/Cu ratio 19.3. Do I have it correct that the hair test isnt the best indicator of copper levels? > > > > > > > > > > His post urine metals test also showed low copper(didnt do a challege test, just collected urine after last dose of chelator for the round) .021, ref range .012-.12. We're still waiting for blood test results (annual CBC, ferritin, thyroid, lipid, etc) and our DAN wants us to supplement copper. Am I right in understanding that this would not be a good thing? Should I just focus on giving copper rich foods? > > > > > > > > > > We're currently chelating 7 mg DMPS, 5 mg ALA. Do we need to reduce the doses or is it ok to continue with the current dose? > > > > > > > > > > One last question (maybe 2!), His hair test shows low calcium, lithium and magnesium, but the urine test shows the opposite. Is there a reason the two would show such different results and which test should I be relying on? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 We're trying the lithium. No WOWs thus far! We've reduced the zinc, but will hold off on the copper until we see the blood test results. We've done three hair tests over the past 2 yrs and have never met the counting rules, but I figure there must be metal issues, as we've seen the best gains chelating, especially after adding ALA. We started out with high aresenic and after 40 plus rounds, thats dropped considerably and we're seeing increases in mercury and aluminum. I figure we're on the right track. Karla > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for the long post, but Ive been reading earlier posts concerning copper levels and supplementation and wanted to double check and make sure I have the info right. > > > > > > > > > > > > My son's hair test shows low copper (8.8, ref range 11-32), with Zn/Cu ratio 19.3. Do I have it correct that the hair test isnt the best indicator of copper levels? > > > > > > > > > > > > His post urine metals test also showed low copper(didnt do a challege test, just collected urine after last dose of chelator for the round) ..021, ref range .012-.12. We're still waiting for blood test results (annual CBC, ferritin, thyroid, lipid, etc) and our DAN wants us to supplement copper. Am I right in understanding that this would not be a good thing? Should I just focus on giving copper rich foods? > > > > > > > > > > > > We're currently chelating 7 mg DMPS, 5 mg ALA. Do we need to reduce the doses or is it ok to continue with the current dose? > > > > > > > > > > > > One last question (maybe 2!), His hair test shows low calcium, lithium and magnesium, but the urine test shows the opposite. Is there a reason the two would show such different results and which test should I be relying on? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Karla > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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