Re: Guaifenesin?

October 14, 2000

I tried Guaifenesin in 11/98 beginning first week 3x200mg.

First week

I had more musclepain in leg. Then I doubled 2x600mg. After

about

20 days I was nearly free of sysmptoms. no brain fog. I was

not tired

could think clear. Reduction of Psioriasis. sometimes some

muscle

pain

in leg. The significant improvement of brain functions lasted

about 5

weeks. Then it worsened again. After about 12 month (with

some

short

interruptions) I stopped guaifenesin, because I feeled

worsening of

muscle pain in arms and legs especially while swimming. My

thoughts:

some relationsship with hypoglycamie?. After stopping

guaifenesin, I

had no more pain at least in arms.

I don`t know wht guaifenesin does, but in twenty years of

experimenting with cfs, it was one of the most interesting

substances.

Pies

Germany

valuex@...

October 14, 2000

If I remember correctly........I have Cheney notes on this and will look

for them.

Guaifenesin is an extremely powerful cell

detox agent. It must be taken a certain way (dosage and times). There

is some difference between the long acting (LA) kind and regular.

Laurion

October 14, 2000

Hi

Your experience with Guaifenesin says this to me:

All we ever end up doing is treating symptoms, and never get to the

cause.

The Guaifenesin detoxified your cells, you herxed, you felt better for

some time period, and then.....the cells just filled right back up with

toxins again.

What do you think about this? Do you agree or have other thoughts?

Thanks................................Laurion

February 16, 2005

I have FMS/CFS and I would never do this. I joined the Guai list

for awhile and it sounds horrible...but many are willing to endure

the extra pain. Not me....I don't have time nor the lifestyle for

extreme pain. Plus, you have to not come in contact with any

salycylates...even walking on grass can cancel the effects of the guai

out. I think the people that will try it are already in a wheel chair

or really incapacitated. Not only that but, personally, I think it

is not a good idea to be on any med consistently like this is

promoted. Many people leave it speaking of unwanted side-effects.

There is a good offshoot list from the guai list and they do

nutritional, homeopathic and supplemental remedies.

The first thing that is always advised is to do no/really low carbs.

Test it for a week...see how you feel ....then try a second week...see

how you feel.

Also, study up on adrenal exhaustion....all FMS'rs have a strong

component of it. A trauma or extended high stress usually kicks it

(FMS/CFS) in.

Another good thing to look up is reactive hypoglycemia.

Hope that helps,

Kit

>

> Does anyone here have any personal experience with this treatment for

> Fibromyalgia?

> =============================================================

>

> http://www.fibrofix.com/TreatmentOutline.html

>

> The F I B R O F I X

> TREATMENT OUTLINE

>

> Anne &

> Dale Hillebrand

>

> Orlando, FL 32839

>

> http:

> //www.FibroFix.com

>

> As far as we can find, this is the first-ever and only,

> prescription-based treatment that reverses all

>

> symptoms of Fibromyalgia / CFS / RLS. It has been in use since

> October 2000.

>

> This is a quick version of the treatment information. Please read the

> entire web site.

>

> See Medications Availability page for additional information on the

> medications.

>

> These are starting amounts; increase each of the meds as quickly as

> you can until you get the right amounts for you.

>

> Note: Entex LA and Paxil are prescription meds. Take as directed by

> your doctor.

>

> Every Day:

>

> ALL DURING THE DAY :

>

> TUMS Ultras Tropical Fruit Flavor. CHEW 5 to 15 per day.

>

> A.M. :

>

> Glass of water

>

> Entex LA 600 mg Guaifenesin + 30 mg Phenylephrine. Prescription

> only.

>

> Your doctor will have to help you decide how much to use.

>

> 1 caplet to start.

>

> Drink additional water as you increase this med. It needs water to

> work.

>

> An intial prescription for 120 tablets will let you adjust as needed.

> Can be broken in half.

>

> Humibid E - 400 mg plain Guaifenesin Over the counter. - Additional

> plain.

>

> (1200- 3000 mg daily is common.) Start low. For best results move up

> as quickly as you can, increasing

>

> every other time you take it. Drink additional water as you increase

> this med. It needs water to work.

>

> Lunch :

>

> Humibid E or plain Guaifenesin - one or two caplets with water.

>

> Dinner :

>

> Humibid E - or plain Guiafenesin - one or caplets with water.

>

> P.M. :

>

> Glass of water

>

> Entex LA 600 mg Guaifenesin + 30 mg Phenylephrine. Prescription

> only.

>

> Your doctor will have to help you decide how much to use.

>

> 1 caplet to start.

>

> Drink additional water as you increase this med. It needs water to

> work.

>

> An intial prescription for 120 tablets will let you adjust as needed.

> Can be broken in half.

>

> Humibid E - 400 mg plain Guaifenesin Over the counter. - Additional

> plain.

>

> (1200- 3000 mg daily is common.) Start low. For best results move up

> as quickly as you can, increasing

>

> every other time you take it. Drink additional water as you increase

> this med. It needs water to work. Can easily be broken in

> half.

>

> Paxil or other good SSRI. 10 mg. For signal correction. 1 caplet to

> start.

>

> Follow your doctor's instructions carefully and do not discontinue

> without doctor's approval.

>

> Eye Mask and Ear Plugs - TO GET DEEP RESTORATIVE SLEEP ALL NIGHT:

>

> ESSENTIAL: Wear Eye Mask to block out ALL light.

>

> ESSENTIAL: Wear Ear Plugs to block out ALL sound.

>

> FOOD

>

> ESSENTIAL: Eliminate these foods completely, due to high acid.

>

> NO Soft drinks - very strong PHOSPHORIC ACID. Worst thing

> for us.

>

> NO Lemons, oranges, pineapple, strawberries, or other citrus.

> 2nd worst.

>

> NO Tomatoes in any form.

>

> ESSENTIAL: Urinate promptly - always.

>

> CHEW 1 or 2 TUMS or Calcium afterward.

>

> Drink enough water to replace what was lost.

>

> We did not discover, but learned:

>

> NO Mint as in candy and toothpaste.

>

> NO Aloe Vera you would leave on the skin or swallow.

>

> Choose less acid foods; Pears instead of Peaches, Apples instead of

> Oranges.

February 16, 2005

thissal@... wrote:

>

> Does anyone here have any personal experience with this treatment for

> Fibromyalgia?

> =============================================================

====================================

I really don't understand how substituting toxic pharmaceutical

preparations and chemicals is going to help in fibro. All this is doing

is adding more fuel to the fire. And taking Paxil for signal correction?

I wouldn't recommend this to anyone, no matter how desparate they are.

The tums will only screw up the digestive system.

IMHO this is an allopathic approach to suppression of symptoms only.

This does not address the cause. Just my two pennies worth. ;-)

--

Peace, love and light,

Don " Quai " Eitner

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

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> =================================================

> > Also, study up on adrenal exhaustion....all FMS'rs have a strong

> > component of it. A trauma or extended high stress usually kicks it

> > (FMS/CFS) in.

> ==============================================

> Sounds like a part of post-traumatic-stress syndrome.

It does have a component of this. It looks like I was born with

low adrenal output. And, then at eighteen I broke my tailbone in a

roller skating accident...on concrete. A major blow to my spine. That

seemed to be the start of it...but I had really healthy habits....and

staved off most seriousness. But I had stupid nagging stuff. In my

early 40's the fatigue set in, bigtime, and I didn't have the energy

to go the extra mile for my health. I attribute some to that to

hormonal changes and a stressful period in my life. Some people have

theirs come on after a car accident or giving birth, etc. Others

seem to be born with the problem... I guess, again, extremely low

adrenal output. The hypothalamus is probably implicated since it is

the master gland. FMS/CFS is a neuroendocrine syndrome.

> ==============================================

> >

> >Another good thing to look up is reactive hypoglycemia.

> ========================================================

> How can someone do a low-carb diet when no animal products or grains

> are eaten?

> ========================================================

That is a tough one...altho staying away from grains is a good start.

There is an extended list of foods and 'no foods' that you might find

under fibroglycemia...or the HG diet (http://tinyurl.com/69qe6)both

terms that I think were coined by Dr. St. Amand, the promoter of the

guai protocol. At one time I investigated the herb that it's derived

from but it's pretty obscure, from South America. It's stuck on my

dead CPU until I retrieve the info. Anyway, the HG diet is not as

strict.

> >

> > Hope that helps,

> > Kit

> =========================================================

> Yes it did answer some of my questions. Thank You. What do you do for

> your FMA?

The main thing I do right now if get plenty of sleep...I aim for

9 to 10 hours....very early to bed for me...altho, right now I'm up at

3 am!!!

Quality/quantity of sleep is a big thing for FMS. I do sometimes rely

on sleep aids. I take magnesium, best at bed time. I take Valerian

for waking and not being able to get back to sleep and sometimes

melatonin. I try to watch my carbs but have been bad since Christmas

and am paying for it. I eat animal products so it's not as hard.

Eggs are good for the adrenals. Usually, it's only for a period that

one has to be strict to 'reset' the adrenals. It varies for everyone

but my initial period was 5 months. I've never returned to the

previous state but do have to watch my diet. One will never fully

recover exhausted adrenals but you can do quite a bit and then do

maintenance for life. I'm leary of adrenal support supplements

because there is a fine balance. I like Isocort because they

understand there should only be enough to support not replace adrenal

output...take the strain off, so to speak. But it may be problematic

for you since it has some sheep adrenal cortex ( " soluble

fractionation " ). I'm sure that herbal support is possible but look

for someone that understands the 'balancing' act. I also get

cranio-sacral, acupuncture and take Chinese Herbs to support my

Kidneys. I get my EFAs thru good quality cod liver oil....but again

you can find plant EFAs. The magnesium is important. I take Imuplus

for liver detox and support...and also milk thistle. The Imuplus is

a whey derivative so is animal product. I am not religious about any

of my supplements because I sorta got burned out on popping pills

a few years back....I do try, tho....esp. with the Mg. I try to no

longer compare my stress with a normal person's since my threshold is

much lower....physical, emotional, mental...etc. That was a big

eye-opener and very helpful. That's all for starters! ;-P ;-)

Let me know, if you have any other questions/concerns. Kit

February 16, 2005

Your super tonic would be good (pulp also)

Horseradish is a protective stimulant for mucous lined areas such as the throat, nose and respiratory passages, it is particularly effective in helping to clear congestion and opening up nasal passages in cases of Hayfever and Sinusitis.

Garlic and Fenugreek are expectorants while Marsmallow can assist in soothing irritated tissue. thissal@... wrote:

> Sheesh... there are better ways... Guaifenesin is what they give you for congestion/drainage...sinus problems..> Suzi==========================================================Hey Suzi, Do you have any food or herbs that make good decongestants?

February 16, 2005

Thissal, in the archives are recipes for Total (or Super) Tonic and a sinus essential oil combination. I have both and love them.

Sharyn

From: thissal@... [mailto:thissal@...] ==========================================================Hey Suzi, Do you have any food or herbs that make good decongestants?

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February 16, 2005

Also...daikon radish as food. You can throw the tops/greens in your

bath.

Kit

> > Sheesh... there are better ways... Guaifenesin is what they give you

> for congestion/drainage...sinus problems..

> > Suzi

> ==========================================================

> Hey Suzi, Do you have any food or herbs that make good decongestants?

>

February 16, 2005

I find colloidal silver spray in the nose works great. Now if i can

just stop coughing!

Sylvia

> > > Sheesh... there are better ways... Guaifenesin is what they

give you

> > for congestion/drainage...sinus problems..

> > > Suzi

> > ==========================================================

> > Hey Suzi, Do you have any food or herbs that make good

decongestants?

> >

February 16, 2005

Here you go, Thissal:

Here's How:

Clean and prepare your diffuser.

Blend the following essential oils.

Add 5-7 drops of the oil blend to your diffuser.

Tips:

This blend is also effective when carried in a vial and frequently inhaled until sinuses start to clear.

If using in a wearable diffuser, you can reduce or eliminate eucalyptus if it is too strong.

What You Need:

15 drops eucalyptus oil

5 drops bergamot oil

5 drops sage oil

3 drops sweet basil oil

3 drops peppermint oil

3 drops lavender oil

From: thissal@... [mailto:thissal@...] ==========================================================Thanks Sharyn. I finally found "super tonic" after looking for about 15min, but nothing was said about "sinus essential oil"?

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February 16, 2005

Daikon tops make excellent edible greens when lightly steamed or put is

soup.

Gayla

Always Enough Ranch

Acampo, California

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