Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 we're now the product of all of these changes and because we all have different ancestral backgrounds, our tolerance for certain foods differs and our bodies adapt differently to certain foods also... I agree but it took quite awhile and some observation before I arrived at the conclusion that we are all different. I stopped eating meat cold turkey (a pun?) over 25 years ago. No meat, poultry, fish. It has never ever bothered me and I haven't "cheated" once nor had the desire to. I have a friend who goes bonkers if he doesn't have meat. His constitution just can't handle it and he craves it. I think some of us might have been born natural vegetarians. My canine teeth are flat, not pointed like a meat eater, and I didn't like meat even as a kid. I have another long time vegetarian friend, and her canines are also flat. Interesting. Gloria ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 "I don't get that because cavement ate more meat that we do now, so when were we vegetarians only?? " Peace, the WE in your question has to be specified, because WE aren't at all genetically identical, speaking on the various peoples of the planet Earth.. therefore, our organs have adapted to the way that our ancestors ate (depending on who you are and who your ancestors are). the cavemen who lived in the caves of Europe ate a completely different diet than the Original peoples of Africa, Asia, the Americas whose history goes back thousands and thousands of years before cavemen were even in existence... , those thousands and thousands of years back were the times when strictly vegetarian diets were understood and practiced.. of course since then, leading up until when the cavemen bursted onto the scene, diets slowly began to change and as a result, internally there was a change.. it was more of a dramatic change for those people who ate more meat than others (cavemen - or any other human who began eating meat, cooked or raw) we're now the product of all of these changes and because we all have different ancestral backgrounds, our tolerance for certain foods differs and our bodies adapt differently to certain foods also... PEACE Eternally Natural Game <cbmd3@...> wrote: I don't get that because caveman ate more meat that we do now, so when were we vegetarians only?? CRik <bliksemskater@...> wrote: hello all,i was actually hoping that don would have a comment on the last meat vesus vegetarian foods discussion. i thought it was interesting, and i was kinda hoping don's opinion. i have seen a program on tv yearssssss ago saying that when we switched form vegaterain to meat the brain started wo develop and that that was what made us evolve( is that the right word?). not sure if that is true though. the thing that makes me wonder the most is our design inside. did we develope as green eaters and our digestive system is just trying to cope with the meat we eat these days? if it is not interesting to you guys, never mind then, afterall it is not about herbs (O; LOL. if you do have any thoughts about it i would like to hear your comments on this. thanks a bunch, rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Here is some reading to help you all... i'm giving you links as to keep the religion aspect off as so it can not take another direction. http://www.heaven.net.nz/answers/answer16.htm http://www.herbsfirst.com/NewsLetters/0301meat.html http://www.covenanthouse1.org/Articles/clean_unclean_meats.htm Suzithissal@... wrote: It's been years since I read the Bible, but I remember as a teenager seeing somewhere it said man could now eat meat and their life expectancy would then be changed to ~~70 yrs, down from the 200-300 years it was. I hope this isn't misunderstood as trying to apply some religious discussion to food choices since I'm not religious, and I'm not even sure the Bible is mostly true, but I was just wondering if anyone else ever remembers such a passage? Suzi What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. http://suziesgoats.wholefoodfarmacy.com/__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 This link may give some insight to our ancestors.It is a time line of our eating habits... http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1c.shtml tempo33x <tempo33x@...> wrote: 'In the beginning' remember, fire was supposedly not discovered yet, and everything was eaten raw, if that is true, as humans do not have the teeth to tear raw flesh, it must have been veggies only. ?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Probably fruits, nuts and berries...actually...but ya know they could have eaten raw grubs, insects, raw fish etc. Or had some other 'enzymatic' meat 'cooking' form....I hesitate to mention raw or rotting meat. Remember the vestigial appendix. Then there is the tribe in Africa that opens a vein/artery to drink cow blood....sparing the animals life....and bleeding it intermittantly. Then there is always milk and dairy. Could have travelled the plains with a pet goat or two! <g> JMTC, Kit > > > > > > hello all, > > > > i was actually hoping that don would have a comment on the last > meat > > vesus vegetarian foods discussion. i thought it was interesting, > > and i was kinda hoping don's opinion. i have seen a program on tv > > yearssssss ago saying that when we switched form vegaterain to > meat > > the brain started wo develop and that that was what made us evolve > ( > > is that the right word?). not sure if that is true though. the > > thing that makes me wonder the most is our design inside. did we > > develope as green eaters and our digestive system is just trying > to > > cope with the meat we eat these days? if it is not interesting to > > you guys, never mind then, afterall it is not about herbs (O; LOL. > > if you do have any thoughts about it i would like to hear your > > comments on this. thanks a bunch, rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Rik wrote: > > hello all, > > i was actually hoping that don would have a comment on the last meat > vesus vegetarian foods discussion. i thought it was interesting, > and i was kinda hoping don's opinion. i have seen a program on tv > yearssssss ago saying that when we switched form vegaterain to meat > the brain started wo develop and that that was what made us evolve( > is that the right word?). not sure if that is true though. the > thing that makes me wonder the most is our design inside. did we > develope as green eaters and our digestive system is just trying to > cope with the meat we eat these days? if it is not interesting to > you guys, never mind then, afterall it is not about herbs (O; LOL. > if you do have any thoughts about it i would like to hear your > comments on this. thanks a bunch, rik ========================== Well Rik, we all have our own beliefs. Mine are continually evolving as I evolve. That is as it should be. I am not a follower of Darwanism and I really don't believe that man's eating meat had anything to do with evolution, most likely, devolution but it leads each and every one of us to the truth eventually. All life, choices and every manifestation in this universe all lead to one outcome or goal. It is our choice how we wish to get there. But that is only my opinion. There are as many theories out there as there are people proposing them and as many opinions as there are people. My opinion is relative only to me as it stems from my personal viewpoint in this universe. No two people can share the same viewpoint, at least not in our current state of evolution. I was brought up a staunch meat eater, but I do not believe that man's natural diet includes meat or meat and animal by-products. Again, this is just my opinion. Which school of thought is right and which is wrong? Well, there is no wrong, there is only right. It is all choice. Every choice is a right choice for the person making it at the time they make it. There are no wrong choices. All choices made are for our own benefit of learning to make the best and most optimum choices. Peace be with you Rik. -- Peace, love and light, Don " Quai " Eitner " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal and wakes in man. " -- In compliance with the highest standards of Universal Law, this email has been thoroughly disinfected and purified in the solar flares of the sun. Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.306 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Morning all, Hope this day finds you all well. I am once again battling this recycled killer virus...lol Regarding teeth and meat and all that. I think regardless of what kind we may have that this is a personal choice as we are individuals. No one thing works for another. I do not follow the RAVF diet yet I do find it interesting and it seems that many are surviving and thriving on it wonderfully. And I can so understand how any type of religion would be off topic here as things do get vicious when they need not to. Personally I love my Bible and that is my choice I do not eat meat myself but I do cook it. I would not push my "ways"on anyone else. There is no guarantee that eating a non animal type of diet prolongs ones life. As I had said in one post, my grandfather died at the age of 93 and suffered less then one year of alzheimers disease but ate his food with relish. To each his or her own. We are here to learn, support and share. I love this group. And I certainly would not go and bash someone that did not do things the way I do...thank GOD..LOL Just my 5 cents worth Wishing all a beautiful day Tone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 the day we start eating only veggies and fruit is the day that half the world will start starving -- there's just too many people to feed without meat.................. ================================================================ Hi , Your posts remind me a little of my dad, sometimes wonderful and wonderfully smart and wise and full of no-nonsense pragmatism. He was a cattle rancher his whole life and he believed in his product. It was all pure " organic " on our ranch too. I was born in the 50s and raised on a ranch which was in a lush but hidden valley high in the Sierra Nevadas and about as isolated as one could get. It was also about 100 years behind time, but now maybe that was the earliest wave of the future . Being so isolated, there was no pollution of the air or water (all of our water came from artesian wells) since the nearest factory was at least 200 miles away, and my dad didn't believe in using pesticides, and the only fertilizer was good ole cowpies. I remember my parents talking in hushed and disapproving tones about some of the neighbors who used hormones and antibiotics on their feeders to boost their profits. Not for my dad, no, he believed that was a wrong choice for everyone, especially since no one would be the wiser, and wouldn't have the freedom to choose unadulterated meat. He did fatten them up on grain first before they went off to market, but I noticed somewhere on the Mercola website, it said only grass fed beef was acceptable. Well, we did all our own butchering so our own beef was from grass fed big calves anyway. We also did all of our own milking too, but my mom didn't like the taste of grass flavored milk, so the milk cows were kept off the meadow at least for awhile. Around the ranch were several hundred acres that supported several hundred cattle, although several thousand acres of Nevada desert rangeland were used for summer range for the cattle while the hay was bailed for winter cattle feed on the main ranch. We also had a 2 acre vegetable garden every year -- my dad said it kept kids out of trouble, and it was A LOT of work. So we had fresh raw vegetables for several months every year and we froze the rest to last the entire year for a family of 7 (I was the middle of 5 children all spaced close in age). We also had about a 5 acre orchard with lottsa apple, plum and pear trees. That would give several months of fresh fruit, and then a lot of it was canned to last the rest of the year. We even made our own butter from cream -- we used to have this old milk separator that my ggrandparents used, and it suffered its final demise at my hands ;( We'd separate milk from cream and churn the cream into butter. My dad did not believe in buying anything processed or canned, and about the only items he would reluctantly agree to buy from the nearest store, which was over the mountain 25 miles away was -- this really ugly looking dark brown bread for when we occassionally had to pack a lunch for some school field trip, or out during a cattle roundup. I remember being so embarrassed that everyone else got to have pretty, neat white sandwiches with bologna and mine was this dark brown monster, lol. He agreed to buy ww flour for one of my mom's rare attempts at baking -- holidays and birthdays, and oatmeal. Oh yes, he also bought these 5 gallon containers of raw honey from a local beeman since my brothers loved honey. We also raised our own chickens (gathered their eggs), and they were annoyingly free-ranging. If we were going to have chicken for dinner, my mom would run out in the yard, grab one around the neck and with a few twists, it was ready to defeather, and be cut up. How much more organic can you get than that? Speaking of eating raw meat -- we did sometimes -- and it tasted ok after it was put through the meat grinder. But my dad usually wanted the meat cooked some, but just barely -- slightly brown on the outside and red on the inside. He also insisted on all of our veggies being almost uncooked -- or so it seemed to me. We also had what we called " sweetbreads " which were scrambled eggs with scrambled cow brains, sliced tongue, occasional mountain oysters, and once as a joke my dad cooked a soup, and when it was mostly gone, we discoved an eyeball. Everyone but my dad was quite angry about that little " joke " . So the point I was trying to make with all my rambling, is that it takes a lot more land, feed, water, time and resources to raise a pound of beef, compared to what it takes to raise a pound of vegetables, grains and fruit. So no, the world would not starve if everyone started eating only veggies and fruit. In fact that would free up a lot of land and resources, so there would be no more need of anyone starving in the world today. The last I heard, there are still today, somewhere in the world, several thousand people starving to death every single day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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