Re: What is anthracin? Why is it in the autism NAET kit ?

[Guest guest]

Weird, I keep finding relations to coal tar when I look it up.

>

> My daughter is woefully weak to the vial - if it's even in the same

> room as her.

>

> What is anthracin???

>

> The vial reads " anthracin vac " and it's in the same row as a bunch of

> other vaccines.

>

> My practitioner doesnt' know. I've googled and found it's used in red

> dyes, wood preservatives, cigarettes, insecticides... but why would it

> be called a vaccine?

>

> What is anthracin vaccine?

>

> I looked to see if it was anthrax-related and couldn't find a link

> between the two.

>

> BTW, I learned that 100% of ADHD kids are allergic to the DPT vaccine.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes - I found that too.

That it makes a red dye called alzarin.

That it's used in insecticides, cigarettes, wood preservatives.

But why would there be a vaccine of it?

I read that if one has had anthrax, they can do a anthracin skin test

on them and see that they've had anthrax. Does that mean the anthrax

vaccine is made with anthracin? We never had the anthrax vaccine so why

are we reacting to it so much?

My daughter was weak to every single vial as long as that vial was in

her vicinity. We've done a lot of NAET but this is the first time we've

seen anything like it. It's a losing battle if the vial is anywhere

near her... she loses more and more strength...

It's not related to kryptonite, is it?

....

[Guest guest]

Could it be the anthrax vaccine? I've heard that it was used on soldiers

during the Gulf war and is implicated in the Gulf War Syndrome which

some of them now suffer. Wasn't there a fear a couple of years ago that

the anthrax spores would be used in Germ warfare - I seem to remember

news stories about envelopes containing white powder suspected of being

anthrax spores. The Homoeopathic Nosode for Anthrax is called

Anthracinum (nosode means a remedy made from infective organism or the

diseased tissue).

I don't know if it helps but the sorts of symptoms associated with it

are:

Skin symptoms are the most characteristic - ulceration with intense

burning. Bluish, violet coloured vesicles which become black and secrete

an ichorous, fetid discharge - can become gangrenous. Hard swelling of

parotids and sub-maxillary glands, predominately on the right side.

Diarrhoea with liquid stools and fetid smell. Sudden septicemia,

emaciation, intense thirst, high fever with anxiety, excessive

sensitivity, adynamia.

Gail.

>

> Yes - I found that too.

> That it makes a red dye called alzarin.

> That it's used in insecticides, cigarettes, wood preservatives.

>

> But why would there be a vaccine of it?

>

> I read that if one has had anthrax, they can do a anthracin skin test

> on them and see that they've had anthrax. Does that mean the anthrax

> vaccine is made with anthracin? We never had the anthrax vaccine so

why

> are we reacting to it so much?

>

> My daughter was weak to every single vial as long as that vial was in

> her vicinity. We've done a lot of NAET but this is the first time

we've

> seen anything like it. It's a losing battle if the vial is anywhere

> near her... she loses more and more strength...

>

> It's not related to kryptonite, is it?

>

> ...

>

[Guest guest]

THe swelling of the parotid gland on the right handside is absolutely

what I am experiencing during my avoidance period post treatment.

Also the high fever (nothing could warm me up). Other symptoms I

dont' have yet.

Why would my daughter and I be weak to anthracin though? I was never

vaccinated for anthrax. The anthrax scare on 9/11 happened in the

same city I lived in though (Boca Raton, Florida).

My daughter was born by then too. She wasn't vaccinated for it

either. Did the government do something to inoculate us back then and

we didn't know about it?

I still don't understand why it's in the autism kit... do they figure

that the anthrax vaccine can cause autism because of its virus?

I know Dr. Boyd Haley got pulled into the autism community after he

did research on gulf war syndrome - but that was thimerosal related,

right?

I thought the anthrax vaccine caused lou gherin's disease (sp?) - not

autism. Is it autism in kids, ALS in grown ups?

Thanks for helping me out everyone... I so appreciate it.

[Guest guest]

I know that food coloring comes from coal tar..the FD & C ones.

Is she allergic to food coloring?? That might explain the reaction..my

son goes bazerck if he eats anything with artificial red coloring,

many kids are very sensitive to it.

I don't know a lot of NEAT...so not sure why a vaccine would be there,

unless it would be for someone sensitive to chemicals in insecticides,

cigarettes, and wood preservatives....

>

> Yes - I found that too.

> That it makes a red dye called alzarin.

> That it's used in insecticides, cigarettes, wood preservatives.

>

> But why would there be a vaccine of it?

>

> I read that if one has had anthrax, they can do a anthracin skin test

> on them and see that they've had anthrax. Does that mean the anthrax

> vaccine is made with anthracin? We never had the anthrax vaccine so why

> are we reacting to it so much?

>

> My daughter was weak to every single vial as long as that vial was in

> her vicinity. We've done a lot of NAET but this is the first time we've

> seen anything like it. It's a losing battle if the vial is anywhere

> near her... she loses more and more strength...

>

> It's not related to kryptonite, is it?

>

> ...

>

[Guest guest]

What I know about the Gulf War syndrome is that it has to do with the

thimerosal, and the combination of viruses, and experimental vaccines.

Military personal are given multi vaccines in one day, as my dh told

me he thinks he had about 10 in each arm. These guys also were told to

take pills called PB pills that were supposed to protect them during

biological attack...my dh buried his in the sand in Saudi somewhere

(good thinking)...other guys took them. Some of those guys got sick.

When I researched these pills it is believed that they impeded the

body from dumping toxins rather than helped. I read a ton about it,

but can't recall all the facts at the moment. The anthrax vaccine was

used on the military without proper testing and they knew it was bad

stuff. Some of the vaccines also has contaminations of " foreign

substances (squalene) " that are not supposed to be there. We don't

know if it was experimental testing or just accidental. Seems to be

deliberate from what I read.

When people starting getting sick and dying, they hushed it up. But it

was probably a combination of factors. Some of these guys are coming

up with some super strain of mycoplasm or squalene antibodies, which

is supposed to be illegal to use in vaccines in humans, has been found

in the vaccines given to Gulf vets. And these vets have antibodies to

squalene when they should not. This substance causes a strong antibody

immune response..and it is believe to have been put in these vaccines

as an experiment..since it's legally not supposed to be there.

Lou Gherig's disease is classic mercury poisoning. Which these guys

all have, the squalene could cause immunity issues and illnesses like

Gulf Syndrome..

Anthracinum is a homeopathic remedy for anthrax...

I am not sure why it would be in an autism kit unless they are

thinking that some kids may have received this vaccine or contaminants

in the regular vaccines?

It's probably going to take some digging to find an NAET person who

knows why that's in the kit and your reacting to it.

In order for the government to inoculate you..you'd had to have had a

shot for something during that time...

>

> THe swelling of the parotid gland on the right handside is absolutely

> what I am experiencing during my avoidance period post treatment.

> Also the high fever (nothing could warm me up). Other symptoms I

> dont' have yet.

>

> Why would my daughter and I be weak to anthracin though? I was never

> vaccinated for anthrax. The anthrax scare on 9/11 happened in the

> same city I lived in though (Boca Raton, Florida).

>

> My daughter was born by then too. She wasn't vaccinated for it

> either. Did the government do something to inoculate us back then and

> we didn't know about it?

>

> I still don't understand why it's in the autism kit... do they figure

> that the anthrax vaccine can cause autism because of its virus?

>

> I know Dr. Boyd Haley got pulled into the autism community after he

> did research on gulf war syndrome - but that was thimerosal related,

> right?

>

> I thought the anthrax vaccine caused lou gherin's disease (sp?) - not

> autism. Is it autism in kids, ALS in grown ups?

>

> Thanks for helping me out everyone... I so appreciate it.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure how the NAET test kit works - but is it possible that your

daughter is reacting to just the anthrax part in the vial rather than

the whole thing? Maybe you have been exposed to the bacteria, but didn't

get acutely sick. Here is a link with information about anthrax

http://www.cdc.gov/nczved/dfbmd/disease_listing/anthrax_gi.html

<http://www.cdc.gov/nczved/dfbmd/disease_listing/anthrax_gi.html>

Here is a link to more information about the Gulf War illnesses -

Anthrax is dealt with from around pg 31.

http://www.gulfweb.org/NGWRCSelfHelpGuideNov2003.pdf

<http://www.gulfweb.org/NGWRCSelfHelpGuideNov2003.pdf>

Short term adverse reactions reported by recipients of the anthrax

vaccine include:

extreme fatigue; local pain at the injection site with swelling and pain

extending into

other parts of the body; muscle and body weakness; dizziness;

palpitations; nausea and

vomiting; fever; blurred vision; general malaise. It is unclear which

effects are directly

the result of the vaccination.

Long-term side effects being reported by some recipients of the anthrax

vaccine include:

extreme fatigue; concentration and memory impairment; dizziness; joint

and muscle pain;

nausea; muscle and body weakness; blurred vision; endocrine disorders;

autoimmune

illnesses; general malaise.

I also read in Wikipedia that it only happens in US and UK troops and

they were the only ones that received the anthrax shots.

So it looks like it is more than just the thimerosal load - and

interesting that the UK vaccine information lists Thimerosal as a

preservative but the US information says only Aluminium. There is also a

higher level of birth defects in the children born to these veterans.

Jada, do you think it's an irrelevant connection that you've got first

hand experience of it? - Is there a higher incidence of Autism (along

with all the other problems that these families face) when there is a

history of a parent having had the anthrax vaccine?

Iwonder if you could see if you've got antibodies to Squalene happening

- it looks like most of the shots contained it. Where on earth do they

have laboratories that could add the squalene in - imagine being the

person doing the adding - or even the planning of it - it's all so

twisted.

But anyway it's good to have found something that is having a major

impact for your daughter. Getting it cleared could be amazing - is there

an NAET treatment plan to follow now that you know?

Gail.

> >

> > THe swelling of the parotid gland on the right handside is

absolutely

> > what I am experiencing during my avoidance period post treatment.

> > Also the high fever (nothing could warm me up). Other symptoms I

> > dont' have yet.

> >

> > Why would my daughter and I be weak to anthracin though? I was never

> > vaccinated for anthrax. The anthrax scare on 9/11 happened in the

> > same city I lived in though (Boca Raton, Florida).

> >

> > My daughter was born by then too. She wasn't vaccinated for it

> > either. Did the government do something to inoculate us back then

and

> > we didn't know about it?

> >

> > I still don't understand why it's in the autism kit... do they

figure

> > that the anthrax vaccine can cause autism because of its virus?

> >

> > I know Dr. Boyd Haley got pulled into the autism community after he

> > did research on gulf war syndrome - but that was thimerosal related,

> > right?

> >

> > I thought the anthrax vaccine caused lou gherin's disease (sp?) -

not

> > autism. Is it autism in kids, ALS in grown ups?

> >

> > Thanks for helping me out everyone... I so appreciate it.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You gals are amazing. Thank you so much.

The neck gland is still sore. The muscles ache like nobody's business-

much worse than the flu. Fever and chills. Headache. Tiredness.

Tummy soreness. No appetite. Sore throat. That's where we're at. No

runny nose (I hear that's a differentiator between the flu and an

anthrax reaction).

I've emailed NAET directly - questions@... if anyone ever needs

to do so. Asking them about the anthracin vac vial - the symptoms -

the relationship with autism. I'll post if they reply.

Thank you so much for helping me with this - I appreciate the first

hand accounts, Jada.

I know nothing about squalene but I will educate myself: that sounds

just horrible.

I did get married in New Zealand - and we camped for my honeymoon...

I hear the bacteria is present in greater counts in NZ and Australia.

But I definitely never " caught " anthrax. No rash with a black middle.

I was in Boca during the 9/11 anthrax nightmare but I didn't get

inoculated or got sick or anything...

I'm still in awe of why both my daughter and I test sooo weak to it

that we need it out of the doctor's practice to be able to get

a " normal " read to everything else.

I mean, she tested weak to the DPT but we didn't need to move it out

of the building. It didn't seem to affect other treatments.

This anthracin truly is like kryptonite for both her and I and I

can't figure out why...

Thanks again...

.... in NH

[Guest guest]

My daughter used to reaction to dyes too...

so first we used no-fenol by houstons enzymes (www.houstonni.com) to

overcome it.

Then we learned she had parasites and their waste was overwhelming

her liver to the point where her PST enzyme pathway wasn't working

well - and getting rid of the parasites helped quite a bit in getting

the pathway to work but once in a while we stil needed the enzymes.

Then we learned that she had manganese deficiency and I'm learning

that manganese transports enzymes. Once we took care of that (and

we'd been working on zinc deficiency since zinc is how enzymes are

made in the first place), we were solid and good to go.

Only problem was by that time I knew too much about how dyes were

made and I was avoiding them like the plague. that stuff is vile.

I wonder sometimes if the pink dye they use to make breast cancer

products, if it isn't a carcinogenic itself. Take alzarin, the red

dye, it's from anthracene... and anthracene is routinely used to

induce multiple breast cancer tumors in rats. Wouldn't be ironic? I'd

like to see " natural dyes only " on ll that pink breast cancer stuff

they sell (the baking ware, the ribons, the shirts, ethe pins, etc.).

I know nothing. I'm just curious. It's probably a silly idea on my

part.

Hope this helps you with the red dyes...

.... in NH

PS Vitamin K deficiency can also be behind trouble with dyes -

vitamin K has to be taken in daily to be in the body I was told.

Think green leafies when you think vitamin K.