Calcium

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In a message dated 8/31/2004 8:56:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jbg@... writes:

> added calcium in the bottled water which I took for 2 years

I have been noodling on Calcium and how it truly effects our bodies.

I have been thinking about how much phosphorous meat has and how that can

interfer with calcium uptake....but once again, that nap in college chemistry so

long ago has come back to haunt me. I know I do not have it right, exactly.

Has anyone done any study on calcium -- its good and bad effects. Do

vegetarians, or low meat eaters suffer problems ? Do high meat eaters suffer

problems

with the calcium:phosphous ratio?

I thought the big deal with vegetarians is keeping those B vitamins,

especially B12 in good order, but now I am not sure that is the only issue and I

am

not sure I really have the issues sorted out, ie asking the right questions, the

first step to getting a good answer.

Thanks, in advance for any help.

(confused in Atlanta)

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,

My inexperienced Lay Person take on water with added calcium developing into

a kidney stone was due to timing and an observation of increased

calcification in my kettle since using bottled water for tea. Someone

steered me off Brita filtered water saying it was dead water and that it

would flush minerals from your body. So I went to a bottled water with added

minerals. Not all bottled water companies concern themselves with the

quality of the mineral additives they use. Do any?

I decided to try the Brita water filter and my kettle remains free of

calcification. That was enough evidence for me. The only bottled water I

will use on a regular basis will be distilled water, and who knows how safe

that will turn out to be?

Jeanne

>

> Message: 2

> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:08:29 EDT

> From: mackarmstr@...

> Subject: Re: Re: Calcium

>

> In a message dated 8/31/2004 8:56:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> jbg@... writes:

>

> > added calcium in the bottled water which I took for 2 years

>

>

> I have been noodling on Calcium and how it truly effects our bodies.

>

> I have been thinking about how much phosphorous meat has and how that can

> interfer with calcium uptake....but once again, that nap in college

chemistry so

> long ago has come back to haunt me. I know I do not have it right,

exactly.

>

> Has anyone done any study on calcium -- its good and bad effects. Do

> vegetarians, or low meat eaters suffer problems ? Do high meat eaters

suffer problems

> with the calcium:phosphous ratio?

>

> I thought the big deal with vegetarians is keeping those B vitamins,

> especially B12 in good order, but now I am not sure that is the only issue

and I am

> not sure I really have the issues sorted out, ie asking the right

questions, the

> first step to getting a good answer.

>

> Thanks, in advance for any help.

>

> (confused in Atlanta)

>

>

>

>

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Hi everyone,

I think calcium is a hot topic in personal health these days. I realize it is

essential for my body and it is best to get it from food sources like veggies

and water. But, calcium in bottle water is another interesting subject. I've

used bottle water to supplement my water intake, but I use tape water to cook

and make hot drinks. I prefer high end bottle water. And I hear there are

important considerations to choosing a bottle water. I am looking for a good

book about calcium for my body and how to pick good food and water. I'd also

like to find out more about how my food and drink usage may affect my gallstones

and my health.

J Gagne <jbg@...> wrote:

,

My inexperienced Lay Person take on water with added calcium developing into

a kidney stone was due to timing and an observation of increased

calcification in my kettle since using bottled water for tea. Someone

steered me off Brita filtered water saying it was dead water and that it

would flush minerals from your body. So I went to a bottled water with added

minerals. Not all bottled water companies concern themselves with the

quality of the mineral additives they use. Do any?

I decided to try the Brita water filter and my kettle remains free of

calcification. That was enough evidence for me. The only bottled water I

will use on a regular basis will be distilled water, and who knows how safe

that will turn out to be?

Jeanne

>

> Message: 2

> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:08:29 EDT

> From: mackarmstr@...

> Subject: Re: Re: Calcium

>

> In a message dated 8/31/2004 8:56:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> jbg@... writes:

>

> > added calcium in the bottled water which I took for 2 years

>

>

> I have been noodling on Calcium and how it truly effects our bodies.

>

> I have been thinking about how much phosphorous meat has and how that can

> interfer with calcium uptake....but once again, that nap in college

chemistry so

> long ago has come back to haunt me. I know I do not have it right,

exactly.

>

> Has anyone done any study on calcium -- its good and bad effects. Do

> vegetarians, or low meat eaters suffer problems ? Do high meat eaters

suffer problems

> with the calcium:phosphous ratio?

>

> I thought the big deal with vegetarians is keeping those B vitamins,

> especially B12 in good order, but now I am not sure that is the only issue

and I am

> not sure I really have the issues sorted out, ie asking the right

questions, the

> first step to getting a good answer.

>

> Thanks, in advance for any help.

>

> (confused in Atlanta)

>

>

>

>

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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT) alan cameron

<wrench942002@...> writes:

> our bodies use calcium to neutralize overly acidic conditions in our

> bodies.even taking it from our bones.ever seen elderly people

> stooped over?calcium dissolved from bones makes them weak.be

> forewarned.

>

How do we know if our bodies are overly acidic? Is there other ways to

become

overly acid other than our diets??

I've been eating a lot of the Granny Apples trying to keep my GB

clean

of stones.

thanks, Dee

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In a message dated 9/27/2004 3:00:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

wrench942002@... writes:

> Is there other ways to

> become

> overly acid other than our diets??

>

STRESS

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HOW IMPORTANT IS CALCIUM?

There is no element that is less understood and more ignorantly applied than calcium and its compounds. Calcium is the great builder of the structural parts of the body, not only of the bones and ligaments, but the walls of the arteries, the heart, the walls of the veins, the teeth, the epithelial and connective tissues. It is also an integral and necessary element in both blood and lymph. We know that many malnutritional diseases, such as rickets, and cretinism (though of course there are other causes) are usually the results of a deficiency of calcium.

At the same time, we know that excess of calcium is responsible for arteriosclerosis, (or hardening of the arteries), also for scleroma (or sclerosis of tissue, liver, skin, eyes and so forth). In fact, we know that old age itself is brought about by a gradual hardening of the whole structural system through deposition of calcium compounds that are insoluble and inorganic.

Calcium is little understood and often ignorantly administered. While the young growing organism can use relatively large amounts of calcium, a fully matured and solidified body requires less calcium. For middle age, comparatively less than half the amount is necessary. The older age requires a very small amount; above which calcium becomes a very dangerous thing to use, often bringing about most disastrous results, and yet never being thought of as the cause of the chronic suffering, and sometimes death of the patient.

The calcium that does the trouble is the inorganic type. Of course, inorganic calcium cannot be used in the life process of the cell, but forms instead the greatest number of obstructions to the normal life processes of the human organism.

Organic calcium, as found in some foods and herbs, is distinctly alkaline in reaction such as lemons, limes, oranges, cabbage, cauliflower, celery, lettuce, string beans and onions; while others have an acid reaction upon certain fluids and tissues such as milk, cheese, peas, beans, lentils, cucumbers, radishes, fish, meat, potatoes, and so forth.

Green and leafy vegetables contain calcium chloride, as do many berries and herbs. Organic calcium chloride is found in red clover, wheat bran, rhubarb, yellow dock, watercress, blue vervain, motherwort, cactus, hawthorn berries, comfrey root, marshmallow, and many others.

It is as though the good Lord knew that millions of us would suffer with some heart trouble, and so made the remedy easily available. Calcium chloride is a great heart tonic. In fact, it is so potent and effective in its action upon a weak heart that the great English scientist, Sir Lauder Brunton, said: "Heart failure, which so often follows influenza and pneumonia, may be averted by the extended use of calcium chloride."

When we see how important calcium is in body action, we should never use in our body something that will counteract calcium's power. By the use of refined sugar, we are using a substance that is known as a calcium destroyer.

As Dr. Bernard Jensen, D.C. - N.D., in his book You Can Master Diseases, (copyright 1952, Bernard Jensen, Pub. Div., CA), states: "White sugar has been called a leacher of calcium."

As soon as sugar enters the body, it goes directly into the blood stream and commences removing the calcium it comes into contact with and robs the cells of the calcium, from the arteries, veins, capillaries, tissue, muscles, bones, etc.

A prospective mother is carrying the fetus in her womb. If she does not have enough calcium in her body to supply the baby, as well as herself, she is in trouble. The baby, by nature, will get first choice and will draw from the mother's body any calcium it can get for its' own survival. The fetus draws from the veins, arteries, muscles, teeth and bones of the mother. This is the reason for so much varicosity and loss of teeth during pregnancy.

The more sugars and starches (which turn to sugar) the mother consumes, the faster the drainage of calcium from her body, and trouble from weakened areas.

FOREARM AND HIP FRACTURES MOST COMMON

"The principle clinical manifestation of osteoporosis is fracture." Dr. B. E. C. Nordin, professor of mineral metabolism at the University of Luds, points out, "and three osteoporotic fracture syndromes can be defined: the lower forearm fracture, which predominantly affects women between the ages of 50 and 65; the fracture of the proximal femur (the hip), which affects both sexes over the age of seventy; and the relatively rare vertebral crush fracture syndrome, which may be present at any age, but is most common in elderly women" (British Medical Journal, March 13, 1971).

So you see that osteoporosis can not be taken lightly, and it most certainly must be dealt with. Every one of us who approaches the half-century mark in age is likely to encounter this unless we do something about it preferably well in advance of that time.

Osteoporosis characteristically occurs in women after menopause and is presumably related to low estrogen output--the female hormone that dwindles when ovulation and the monthly periods cease. In men, fragile porous bones typically develops considerably later in life and disorder is less severe. But though the disease is associated with late middle age and old age, the process probably begins many decades earlier.

"I would advise women to start calcium and Vitamin D supplements at age 30, or perhaps 25," says Dr. Jowsey of the Mayo Clinic. With the average American diet, there's apparently a long term gradual loss of bone mineral exceeding the rate of mineral uptake and bone formation. In later years, when hormonal changes increase the susceptibility to osteoporosis, the skeleton has already lost a good deal of its substance. By then, because of previous loss, the rate of bone formation must not only equal the rate of bone demineralization (the normal condition) but must exceed it if bone strength is to be restored.

It is far more difficult, Dr. Jowsey warns, to induce new, compensatory bone formation that it is simply to slow down bone demineralization. Adequate calcium and Vitamin D in the diet will go far to accomplish the latter. But preliminary finds, the Mayo scientist says, indicate that lost bone will not be automatically restored by such dietary correction.

OSTEOPOROSIS, PUFF BY PUFF

We can believe from what Dr. Jowsey says that long term marginal deficiency in calcium and Vitamin D is the principle villain in the tragedy of osteoporosis. However, other factors, too, influence bone health. We now know, for example, that cigarettes contribute to bone demineralization and that we should swear off smoking, supposing we are still hooked on this altogether harmful habit.

In a letter appearing in the Journal of American Medical Association, (July 31, 1972), Dr. Harry W. l reports his findings that heavy cigarette smoking appears to be a prominent factor in inducing osteoporosis. Dr. l, who practices in Reddings, California, was prompted to undertake his study when he realized that most of his under 65 patients suffering from osteoporosis were habitual heavy smokers. (When it occurs before 65, osteoporosis is considered "premature".) The west coast physician and his associates then studied records from the three small hospitals in the area, coming up with the cases of 17 women who have had at least one characteristic osteoporotic bone fracture prior to age 65. Follow-up interviews with the patients of surviving relatives revealed that of the 17, only one was a non-smoker; one smoked less than 20 cigarettes a day; and 15 of the 17 had smoked 20 or more cigarettes daily for many years. An 88 percent correlation between heavy smoking and

early incidence of osteoporosis is "statistically significant!"

As to how cigarette smoking could so affect the bones, Dr. l points out that bone minerals (mostly calcium and phosphorus, responsible for the bone's hardness) are "known to be strikingly more soluble in acid solutions," and cigarette smoking is known to increase the acidity of bone tissue. Thus the bone minerals could be expected to dissolve and be absorbed into the bloodstream at a much faster rate when smoking provides the acid environment.

Studies, have shown, Dr. l says, that three consecutive cigarettes cause a prompt transient hypercalcemia--or high content of calcium in the blood. This finding, he explains, suggests that the act of smoking is associated with rapid calcium loss from bone structures.

Still other factors can influence the onset of osteoporosis. Writing in the British Medical Journal (June 2, 1973), Dr. P. E. Belchotz and colleagues suggest that taking your calcium supplement just before going to bed might make a difference in preventing excess mineral loss.

Here's the rationale: regular meals during the day constantly provide at least some calcium to the bloodstream. But calcium absorption from the gut continues only three to five hours after eating, and therefore from about midnight on, the lack of incoming calcium from the intestinal tract triggers the action of the parathyroid hormone (parathormone), which stimulates bone demineralization or "resportion." The female hormone, estrogen, the authors note, to some extent, desensitizes bones to the action of parathormone. But in postmenopausal women, this protection has been reduced.

Initial clinical studies by the investigators tend to confirm their hypotheses. S take your bone meal or dolomite or glass of milk just before retiring and you may counteract those bad night hours when your bones are most likely to dribble away their substance.

Another factor that triggers the action of parathormone, according to Dr. Jowsey and her associates at the Mayo Clinic, is a mineral imbalance, with phosphorus intake grossly exceeding calcium intake (Postgraduate Medicine, October, 1972). Heavy meat-eaters are at risk of this condition because meat, while very poor in calcium, has a high phosphorus content. It's meateaters unbalanced high phosphorus intake, in Dr. Jowsey's opinion, that accounts for the now established fact that longtime vegetarians are less susceptible to osteoporosis than are omnivorous.

Bones that are osteoporotic are like beams in a frame house that have been eaten away for years by termites. But instead of termites, what's eating away the calcium from the bones of an osteoporotic person is their own blood. That's because every nerve in the body--including those which cause the heart to beat and the brain to function--needs a precise amount of calcium to carry out its' job. Our bodies are strictly programmed to keep this calcium at the required level. And if there is not enough of this mineral coming in from dietary sources, complex metabolic machinery immediately removes this required amount from the legs, hips, spine, ribs and arms.

Ordinarily this is a slow but relentless undermining process. But with cortisone administrations, it is swift and relentless. Just as bad, it usually produces no symptoms--until the patient discovers that a minor bump or fall has broken an arm, a leg or worse of all, a hip.

INCREASE RISK OF FRACTURES

An article on the subject was published in the newsletter (February, 1974) of the Jewish Hospital of St. Louis. It begins by pointing out that cortisone and its derivatives are being administered to several million patients in the United States who suffer from a number of chronic disorders, rheumatoid arthritis being just one of them. But is warns that however useful these compounds may be in alleviating these disorders, they result in a number of serious side effects, including the production of often severe bone loss with an increasing risk of bone fractures.

It is not unusual for patients to have a loss of 30-50 percent of their bone mass after several years of high-dose cortisone treatment.

Dr. Theodore Hahn, a spokesman for a bone research team at the Jewish Hospital, says it appears that cortisone directly blocks the activity of the bone forming cells and at the same time decreases intestinal absorption of calcium. As is these two effects weren't bad enough, the calcium deficiency in turn can produce "secondary hormonal changes which increases bone breakdown."

But Dr. Hahn and his co-workers have some good news for people who have been taking cortisone drugs; large, but carefully controlled doses of Vitamin D, along with calcium supplements, can reverse this severe degeneration of the skeleton. The article "Preliminary Results from a Group of 30 Patients Treated with this Regimen", states indirectly that bone mass can be increased by as much as 25-30 percent of over six month period, thereby greatly decreasing the risk of bone fracture in cortisone treated patients.

DOCTORS ARE WARNED - BUT ARE PATIENTS?

How many people who are taking cortisone--all those several million of them--are aware that the drug can cause brittle bones? And how many doctors are going to tell their patients that it is a good idea to get substantially more calcium and Vitamin D into their diets before they begin splintering their bones?

It does seem that many doctors pay scant attention to the possible side effects of drug therapy, particularly when those side effects are intimately linked to nutrition. This attitude seems to be reflected even in the Merck Manual, a standard reference book for physicians. In the section on adrenocortical steroids, which includes cortisone and its derivatives, the medical text says under the subheading "Management during Long-Term Treatment":

If back pain occurs, X-ray of the spine should be made for possible osteopetrosis...If Pathologic fractures occur but the patient's condition warrants continuation of hormonal therapy, additional calcium and protein probably are more effective that the anabolic steroids."

No advice about giving more calcium as a preventive measure is offered. Presumably, the doctor is not expected to do anything until the patient begins complaining of back pain or comes in with a fracture that results from a slight bump.

It has been mentioned in this article the difference between organic and inorganic calcium, and other minerals. The inorganic minerals are the ones that can be accepted into the body, but not assimilated. The inorganic minerals are accumulative, lie in deposits in weakened or injured parts of the body, to later give side effects or after effects.

Often times in purchasing calcium, potassium, phosphorus, iron, zinc, etc., we buy minerals of the inorganic type that has not gone through plant life and by osmosis made organic and given life so it can be assimilated. The type that can be assimilated is from herbs, fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts and seeds.

These are non-toxic, non-poisonous and non-habit forming, if chosen by one who knows assimilable herbs. We have been using a calcium formula for years to aid our patients and students in regaining a more perfect body structure.

The one way we can change the condition of the bowel structure is to treat it like we would a sick plant, and we do not want to be guilty of "casting seeds out on barren soil." The bone must be fed, must be given exercise, and must also be accompanied by faith--in knowing it will improve.

One of the finest foods we have to furnish calcium is a calcium formula we have used for many years. The combination of herbs used in this herbal formula is:

Herbal Calcium Formula (in the files)

Horsetail Grass: Contains manganese, zinc, silicon, iron, magnesium, chlorine, sodium, potassium, calcium and phosphorus.

Nettle: Contains calcium, phosphorus, potassium, iron and allantoin.

Oat Straw: Contains calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sodium, chlorine, magnesium and iron.

Lobelia: Contains potassium, sodium, iron, phosphorus and calcium.

In these four herbs, which work together so well, you will notice they are all high in calcium, high in potassium and have all the other minerals needed in the construction of bone--all accentuated with allantoin from the comfrey leaf for the speeding of cell proliferation.

Vitamin D is always needed in bone construction and this comes from the powerful sun. By following the routine of the three oil massage program, Vitamin D can be obtained in adequate amounts, without burning. This program consists of entire body massage with castor oil each day for two days, the next two days with olive oil and the following two days with wheat germ oil. Rest one day and repeat this cycle week after week. Immediately after the oil massage, lie in the sun--entire bare body exposed--two minutes first day on front and two minutes on back. Each additional day add two minutes front and back. With this procedure there will be no burn. In fifteen days in the sun you are up to one hour a day. Also eat plenty of whole, presoaked and low- heated grains and plenty of good fresh green vegetables such as watercress.

ACTIVITY FORTIFIES THE BONES

In 1970, at the annual meeting of the Swedish Medical Society held in Stockholm, Drs. Nils Westlin and Bo Nilsson of Malmo, Sweden reported that when they measured bone densities in young men they found that 64 athletes had significantly higher bone density that 39 non-athletes of the same age. Density was found to rise with increases in physical activity (Medical Tribune, February 6, 1970).

Dr. Carlton Fredericks has said that women with bones weakened by osteoporosis should, if they are capable of doing it, skip rope as a means of therapeutic exercise. The impact on the spine, vertically exerted, generates the electrical forces that drive calcium to the bone areas requiring reinforcement (The Carlton Fredericks Newsletter of Nutrition, July 1, 1972).

Obviously, an elderly man or woman isn't suddenly going to take up jumping rope after having not exercised for several years. But much the same effect could be gained from walking. A brisk walk at least, for those unable to perform more vigorous exercise, is essential if bones are to stay healthy.

Over the years of practice I have had a number of patients who have had broken bones from osteoporosis. One case was a woman in her middle eighties with a fractured hip. After three months in a cast it showed no sign of healing, any more than two pieces of stick growing together. This woman was frightened because she was told that if the hip bones did not knit after putting on another cast for three months, they would cut her leg open and use stainless steel rods, bolts and nuts to make it possible for her to at least get around on crutches.

This was in the early sixties and not much comfrey was available then. The lady's daughter was in one of my classes, and we asked the students to help out by donating as much comfrey as they could. We had enough donated from the class members that the patient had from a pint to a quart of comfrey green drink or comfrey tea each day, six days a week, week after week. At the end of this "three months," the cast was removed and the doctors were amazed, because during the first three months were was "no knitting" of the bone even evident, but with the comfrey being taken orally during the next three-month period the leg was healed. The daughter told us her mother was out square dancing within a couple of weeks after the cast was removed!

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Organic Calcium (lemon egg) is another way to get your calcium.

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600 mg. at one time is the body's limit for absorption.

Sometimes supplements list a different amount for calcium

and available calcium. What brand offers 1000 per capsule/tablet?

Anyway, that would just be a waste and I think that would be a very

LARGE pill!

Sue

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jmb20346 wrote:

> Hi All,

> I have a dilemma which is really bothering me. For years I have

> believed in taking minerals because the soil has been depleted of

> minerals for many years and our bodies need them.

>

> A few weeks ago I started taking a product called Angioprim to clean

> out my arteries (it's a wonderful product), and I read some very

> interesting literature on it about calcium. When taking this product

> the only thing you take with it is vitamin C and E.

>

> The article I read, written by the guy that owns the company, said

> that calcium is a mineral and causes plaque in the arteries along

> with other metals that are minerals.

>

> Every naturopath that I have dealt with has told me that our bodies

> need minerals. Is there someone who can shed some light on this

> issue?

>

> Thank you,

> Judy

======================

Hi Judy,

Your taking inorganic minerals in pill form will do your body little

good. I realize that the soils are depleted of minerals and are being

killed through constant use of inorganic fertilizers, chemicals,

pesticides and herbicides. However, all is not lost. If you can buy from

an organic farmers (as in farmers markets usually but not always) then

that would be the way to go. Best is to get all your minerals and

vitamins from the raw living foods that you eat. They are naturally

chelated by nature and no man has yet come close to chelating minerals

and vitamins the way nature does.

I have not heard of calcium causing plaque. I seriously doubt this

assertion on the basis that there are probably billions of people on

this planet taking in calcium and they are not suffering from plaque in

their arteries. Now it is possible that there may be a larger

concentration of calcium at plaque sites but this does not mean that

plaque is the cause. I do believe that this gentlemen is pedaling fear

for the benefit of his own pocket book. The only things that can repair

and maintain your body are minerals. Minerals are involved in quite

possibly every biochemical reaction that takes place anywhere in your

body. Now I would venture to guess that good quality organic calcium is

not a problem. I would venture to guess that the higher concentrations

of calcium at plaque sites is due to the inorganic variety which the

cells cannot use and will float through the blood stream until

eliminated or stored in the joints or muscles or worse yet, the organs.

The body needs all the minerals, some in higher percentages and most in

trace amounts. They all are used in the body. Every single one of them.

But the body can only use minerals that come from plants.

Now there are various ways of obtaining enough minerals for your body.

One is to buy your produce from a very reputable organic farmer who is

in the business of creating nutrient dense foods and is not in business

for profit. You can grow your own as well. Or you can utilize such

things as AFA, spirulina, wheat grass/barley grass, etc. These, though

dried, will provide you with organic minerals and vitamins. Though most

powders are less than adequate due to oxygenation from the powdering

process. So best is to grow your own again. With the algae this may not

be the case so much. I really am not certain of this one.

Personally, I wouldn't buy from someone who does not understand the

basics of nutrition. This person does not sound as though he is all that

aware of proper nutrient needs of the human body. He just wants to sell

his product.

If you would be so kind and post a link to this article I would greatly

appreciate it. I would very much like to read it.

Thanks Judy.

--

Peace be with you, Judy.

Don " Quai " Eitner

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

Nearly all men die of their remedies, and not of their illnesses. ~Jean

Baptiste Molière, Le Malade Imaginaire

The obstacle is the path. ~Zen Proverb

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Hi Don,

Thank you for your response. Here is the link you asked for on

Angioprim:

http://www.angioprim.com/Newsletters/NewsletterDisplay.asp?

NewsletterID=1002.

I quit taking the calcium tablets when I was taking the Angioprim. I

do know that they are useless now. Don't sell the Angioprim too

short though, I did take it for 2 weeks and it worked to clear my

arteries. Also I have led several people in that direction and they

have had great results. Read the testimonial of the founder, he is

really trying to help people with this product. I wasn't able to pay

for it the first time I used it so he gave it to me for half price.

I won't say anymore about it because I'm not on here to promote

anything.

I have a friend who has a farm that produces liquid minerals and

humec shale. I have been getting my minerals from him for the last

few years. They are what the original minerals that companies buy

and water down to sell in the stores. I hear what you are saying

about getting minerals from organic foods and I do agree if they

were available year round.

Thank you so much for enlightening me on calcium not causing plaque,

I was getting paranoid.

Judy

>

>

> ======================

> Hi Judy,

>

> Your taking inorganic minerals in pill form will do your body

little

> good. I realize that the soils are depleted of minerals and are

being

> killed through constant use of inorganic fertilizers, chemicals,

> pesticides and herbicides. However, all is not lost. If you can

buy from

> an organic farmers (as in farmers markets usually but not always)

then

> that would be the way to go. Best is to get all your minerals and

> vitamins from the raw living foods that you eat. They are

naturally

> chelated by nature and no man has yet come close to chelating

minerals

> and vitamins the way nature does.

>

> I have not heard of calcium causing plaque. I seriously doubt this

> assertion on the basis that there are probably billions of people

on

> this planet taking in calcium and they are not suffering from

plaque in

> their arteries. Now it is possible that there may be a larger

> concentration of calcium at plaque sites but this does not mean

that

> plaque is the cause. I do believe that this gentlemen is pedaling

fear

> for the benefit of his own pocket book. The only things that can

repair

> and maintain your body are minerals. Minerals are involved in

quite

> possibly every biochemical reaction that takes place anywhere in

your

> body. Now I would venture to guess that good quality organic

calcium is

> not a problem. I would venture to guess that the higher

concentrations

> of calcium at plaque sites is due to the inorganic variety which

the

> cells cannot use and will float through the blood stream until

> eliminated or stored in the joints or muscles or worse yet, the

organs.

> The body needs all the minerals, some in higher percentages and

most in

> trace amounts. They all are used in the body. Every single one of

them.

> But the body can only use minerals that come from plants.

>

> Now there are various ways of obtaining enough minerals for your

body.

> One is to buy your produce from a very reputable organic farmer

who is

> in the business of creating nutrient dense foods and is not in

business

> for profit. You can grow your own as well. Or you can utilize such

> things as AFA, spirulina, wheat grass/barley grass, etc. These,

though

> dried, will provide you with organic minerals and vitamins. Though

most

> powders are less than adequate due to oxygenation from the

powdering

> process. So best is to grow your own again. With the algae this

may not

> be the case so much. I really am not certain of this one.

>

> Personally, I wouldn't buy from someone who does not understand

the

> basics of nutrition. This person does not sound as though he is

all that

> aware of proper nutrient needs of the human body. He just wants to

sell

> his product.

>

> If you would be so kind and post a link to this article I would

greatly

> appreciate it. I would very much like to read it.

>

> Thanks Judy.

>

> --

> Peace be with you, Judy.

>

> Don " Quai " Eitner

>

> " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams

in the animal and wakes in man. "

>

> Nearly all men die of their remedies, and not of their illnesses.

~Baptiste Molière, Le Malade Imaginaire

>

> The obstacle is the path. ~Zen Proverb

>

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jmb20346 wrote:

> Hi Don,

> Thank you for your response. Here is the link you asked for on

> Angioprim:

> http://www.angioprim.com/Newsletters/NewsletterDisplay.asp?

> NewsletterID=1002.

>

> I quit taking the calcium tablets when I was taking the Angioprim. I

> do know that they are useless now. Don't sell the Angioprim too

> short though, I did take it for 2 weeks and it worked to clear my

> arteries. Also I have led several people in that direction and they

> have had great results. Read the testimonial of the founder, he is

> really trying to help people with this product. I wasn't able to pay

> for it the first time I used it so he gave it to me for half price.

> I won't say anymore about it because I'm not on here to promote

> anything.

>

> I have a friend who has a farm that produces liquid minerals and

> humec shale. I have been getting my minerals from him for the last

> few years. They are what the original minerals that companies buy

> and water down to sell in the stores. I hear what you are saying

> about getting minerals from organic foods and I do agree if they

> were available year round.

>

> Thank you so much for enlightening me on calcium not causing plaque,

> I was getting paranoid.

>

> Judy

===================

Hi Judy,

Thanks. I won't debate the usefulness of this product. I will state that

I can think of much better and natural ways of cleaning out the pipes

besides taking synthetic drugs or supplements. This is quite pricey

stuff. However, if you feel that it was worth your money then it was

worth it for you.

Yes attempting to obtain organic foods year round can be a real

challenge to say the least. All I can say to anyone is do the best you

can. If you can grow your own you'll be miles ahead of anyone else, even

those who buy so called organic from the supermarkets.

You are welcome Judy.

--

Peace be with you, Judy.

Don " Quai " Eitner

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

Nearly all men die of their remedies, and not of their illnesses. ~Jean

Baptiste Molière, Le Malade Imaginaire

The obstacle is the path. ~Zen Proverb

[Guest guest]

Hi Don,

Please enlighten me on cleaning the pipes naturally, I am very

interested. I can't really afford to buy the Angioprim on a regular

basis and you have to use it at least once a month for a few days to

keep the arteries unclogged.

Thank you,

Judy

> ===================

> Hi Judy,

>

> Thanks. I won't debate the usefulness of this product. I will

state that

> I can think of much better and natural ways of cleaning out the

pipes

> besides taking synthetic drugs or supplements. This is quite

pricey

> stuff. However, if you feel that it was worth your money then it

was

> worth it for you.

>

> Yes attempting to obtain organic foods year round can be a real

> challenge to say the least. All I can say to anyone is do the best

you

> can. If you can grow your own you'll be miles ahead of anyone

else, even

> those who buy so called organic from the supermarkets.

>

> You are welcome Judy.

>

> --

> Peace be with you, Judy.

>

> Don " Quai " Eitner

>

> " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams

in the animal and wakes in man. "

>

> Nearly all men die of their remedies, and not of their illnesses.

~Baptiste Molière, Le Malade Imaginaire

>

> The obstacle is the path. ~Zen Proverb

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I get my minerals from Virgil whose email address is

cancelkid@.... I don't know if he sells out of Michigan but you

can email him and find out. You have to buy it in 5 gallon

quantities.

Judy

> >

> >

> > ======================

> > Hi Judy,

> >

> > Your taking inorganic minerals in pill form will do your body

> little

> > good. I realize that the soils are depleted of minerals and are

> being

> > killed through constant use of inorganic fertilizers, chemicals,

> > pesticides and herbicides. However, all is not lost. If you can

> buy from

> > an organic farmers (as in farmers markets usually but not always)

> then

> > that would be the way to go. Best is to get all your minerals and

> > vitamins from the raw living foods that you eat. They are

> naturally

> > chelated by nature and no man has yet come close to chelating

> minerals

> > and vitamins the way nature does.

> >

> > I have not heard of calcium causing plaque. I seriously doubt

this

> > assertion on the basis that there are probably billions of people

> on

> > this planet taking in calcium and they are not suffering from

> plaque in

> > their arteries. Now it is possible that there may be a larger

> > concentration of calcium at plaque sites but this does not mean

> that

> > plaque is the cause. I do believe that this gentlemen is pedaling

> fear

> > for the benefit of his own pocket book. The only things that can

> repair

> > and maintain your body are minerals. Minerals are involved in

> quite

> > possibly every biochemical reaction that takes place anywhere in

> your

> > body. Now I would venture to guess that good quality organic

> calcium is

> > not a problem. I would venture to guess that the higher

> concentrations

> > of calcium at plaque sites is due to the inorganic variety which

> the

> > cells cannot use and will float through the blood stream until

> > eliminated or stored in the joints or muscles or worse yet, the

> organs.

> > The body needs all the minerals, some in higher percentages and

> most in

> > trace amounts. They all are used in the body. Every single one of

> them.

> > But the body can only use minerals that come from plants.

> >

> > Now there are various ways of obtaining enough minerals for your

> body.

> > One is to buy your produce from a very reputable organic farmer

> who is

> > in the business of creating nutrient dense foods and is not in

> business

> > for profit. You can grow your own as well. Or you can utilize

such

> > things as AFA, spirulina, wheat grass/barley grass, etc. These,

> though

> > dried, will provide you with organic minerals and vitamins.

Though

> most

> > powders are less than adequate due to oxygenation from the

> powdering

> > process. So best is to grow your own again. With the algae this

> may not

> > be the case so much. I really am not certain of this one.

> >

> > Personally, I wouldn't buy from someone who does not understand

> the

> > basics of nutrition. This person does not sound as though he is

> all that

> > aware of proper nutrient needs of the human body. He just wants

to

> sell

> > his product.

> >

> > If you would be so kind and post a link to this article I would

> greatly

> > appreciate it. I would very much like to read it.

> >

> > Thanks Judy.

> >

> > --

> > Peace be with you, Judy.

> >

> > Don " Quai " Eitner

> >

> > " Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams

> in the animal and wakes in man. "

> >

> > Nearly all men die of their remedies, and not of their illnesses.

> ~Baptiste Molière, Le Malade Imaginaire

> >

> > The obstacle is the path. ~Zen Proverb

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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