Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 I was told flagyl crosses the blood brain barrier and after I was on it the brain fig cleared. KIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 I was told flagyl crosses the blood brain barrier and after I was on it the brain fig cleared. KIM I just had to chuckle at this!! LOL Brain fig has cleared. (who uses humor as a defense against depression) The human spirit is stronger than anything that can happen to it. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 > I was told flagyl crosses the blood brain barrier and after I was on it the > brain fig cleared. KIM Yes, but does it kill the spiros that might be in there or does it mainly bust the cyst forms in the CNS like everywhere else? The point is one might need another abx that penetrates the blood-brain barrier AND deals with the spiros. nelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Hi Nelly, you are right! Another abx like Biaxin or Zithromax is needed in conjunction with Flagyl. its a strong combination, but I am seeing improvement slowly. Now to get a vasodilator med for Vasculitis and I may be able to get over all of this. its been so long w/o any real treatment. The Flagyl is mainly to bust open the cyst form, another to erradicate it. Both abx will pass the blood - brain barrier also. A good LLD will know this. Take good care....Bill Re: [ ] blood brain barrier >> I was told flagyl crosses the blood brain barrier and after I was on it >the >> brain fig cleared. KIM >Yes, but does it kill the spiros that might be in there or does it mainly >bust the cyst forms in the CNS like everywhere else? The point is one might >need another abx that penetrates the blood-brain barrier AND deals with the >spiros. > >nelly > > > > >Many thanks to our founder and friend, Marta McCoy, for making what it is today. > > >Easy Reference: >Send a blank email message to: > > -Subscribeegroups - Subscribe to the list through email > -Unsubscribeegroups - Unsubscribe from the list > -Digestegroups - Switch your subscription to a digest format > -Normalegroups - Switch your subscription to normal > >Please send messages not related to Lyme disease to -Offtopicegroups > >Archives can be accessed at lyme-aid > >Please visit the sister site at >http://clubs./clubs/lymeaid >This is the primary chat site for . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 --- Nelly Pointis <nelly.pointis@...> wrote: > > I was told flagyl crosses the blood brain > barrier and after I was on it > the > > brain fig cleared. KIM > Yes, but does it kill the spiros that might be > in there or does it mainly > bust the cyst forms in the CNS like everywhere > else? The point is one might > need another abx that penetrates the > blood-brain barrier AND deals with the > spiros. > > nelly > Note on Blood-Brain Barrier: The reason we have a blood brain barrier is to protect our brains from chemicals harmful to it. That is why one has to be careful about medications--They can actually cause a lot of problems themselves. Not that I am saying to not take drugs, but that you ought to know their side affects and indications. Indications are what drugs they work against, if I remember right. I studied as a nursing student, and that is how I know. OK? LaurettaLowell@... > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2002 Report Share Posted March 15, 2002 > > > are there any explanations as to how/why toxins cross the blood brain > barrier? is it all speculation at this point? > do viruses (or whatever they are)like lyme and myco have to cross the blood > brain barrier also? thanks, amy Amy, The latest I've heard on this was the abstract of a hypothesis by Bested et al. last year in Medical Hypotheses. Here it is: Med Hypotheses 2001 Aug;57(2):231-7 Chronic fatigue syndrome: neurological findings may be related to blood--brain barrier permeability. Bested AC, Saunders PR, Logan AC. Environmental Health Clinic, Sunnybrook and Women's College, Health Sciences Centre, Toronto, Canada. " Despite volumes of international research, the etiology of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) remains elusive. There is, however, considerable evidence that CFS is a disorder involving the central nervous system (CNS). It is our hypothesis that altered permeability of the blood-brain barrier (BBB) may contribute to ongoing signs and symptoms found in CFS. To support this hypothesis we have examined agents that can increase the blood-brain barrier permeability (BBBP) and those that may be involved in CFS. The factors which can compromise the normal BBBP in CFS include viruses, cytokines, 5-hydroxytryptamine, peroxynitrite, nitric oxide, stress, glutathione depletion, essential fatty acid deficiency, and N-methyl-D-aspartate overactivity. It is possible that breakdown of normal BBBP leads to CNS cellular dysfunction and disruptions of neuronal transmission in CFS. Abnormal changes in BBBP have been linked to a number of disorders involving the CNS; based on review of the literature we conclude that the BBB integrity in CFS warrants investigation. Copyright 2001 Harcourt Publishers Ltd. " It is known that certain parts of the brain are not as well protected by the blood-brain barrier, the hypothalamus being one of them. It is also known that there are problems with the hypothalamus in CFS. I think I have seen Dr. Cheney quoted as suggesting that toxins cross the blood-brain barrier and damage the hypothalamus. Concerning pathogens such as viruses and intracellular bacteria, if they are going to give rise to an encephalitis, as seems to be present in at least some cases of CFS, then I imagine that they must have to cross the blood-brain barrier also. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 How very interesting, as I have the exact same problem with my ears. F.Y.I. My LLMD told me to be very careful what I put in my ears, as the inner ear is very close to the optic nerve! I have a difficult time with many sinus meds... make me speed like crazy and I can't take it. Were you also allergic to flagyl?? Are you allergic to the other abx or just have a rough time with them??? I've had to cut back on my abx twice because the herxes are so horrendous that I can't take the pain. I start mentally freaking out big time!! I had to start with 50mg of doxy twice dly, instead of the 200mg he wanted to start me on! I have a friend who turned me on to a natural way to get rid of lyme. If you are interested, I'll do my best to explain it to you, and maybe you could try it. Let me know. See ya! Carol Kerr -- [ ] Blood Brain Barrier Carol wrote: > So, you think the tick broke your brain's > blood barrier too?? > Hi, first time that I have seen this mentioned here but maybe don't read all > the posts but I think that is part of the problem that I can't take many > meds.After reading about this problem after doing a search on google that one > should take a lot of bioflavonids. Have been taking them and don't see a > difference. Just about everything I take makes my head hurt worse and brain real > foggy. Haven't been diagnosed with lyme but have had all the symptoms for > years. Can't see any reason to be diagnosed since the only antibiotic that I can > take is Augmentin. Just about keep a sinus infection all the time and have > tried most of the families of antibiotics. Have tried all the remedies ever > posted. My only salvation in this respect is that I make my own colloidal > silver and put a weak solution (about 5ppm) in an old empty eye solution bottle > and when my head stops up on the right side I put several drops in that ear > and then lean my head over the side of the bed and but 5 or 6 drops in that > side of my head and it helps. Have severe middle and inner problems with long > acting tubes in both ears. > > Also tried IV mild silver protein. This Dr. in my state says that he has > cured Lyme with this. I took about 3 or 4 treatments of the weakness solution > of 1cc silver with 50cc of solution but I herxed so badly that I couldn't > continue, blood pressure went up and all over sickness with vomiting. I was > taking IV celation and decided to try this when I hear about it. So I think the > dye is cast for me. Take over $300 of supplements to keep me where I am. > > Sorry this is so long but it is only a small portion of the book that I > could write. > Take Care, > > H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 oh for gosh sakes... I was trying to send you a reply and it disappeared... LOL just like me... did I sent it prematurely??? Let me know if you just got anything... if you could reply to it, I'll pick up where I left off... If I didn't mail it, I'll have to write it all over again... bummer! Sucks to be me! Carol Kerr -- [ ] Blood Brain Barrier Carol wrote: > So, you think the tick broke your brain's > blood barrier too?? > Hi, first time that I have seen this mentioned here but maybe don't read all > the posts but I think that is part of the problem that I can't take many > meds.After reading about this problem after doing a search on google that one > should take a lot of bioflavonids. Have been taking them and don't see a > difference. Just about everything I take makes my head hurt worse and brain real > foggy. Haven't been diagnosed with lyme but have had all the symptoms for > years. Can't see any reason to be diagnosed since the only antibiotic that I can > take is Augmentin. Just about keep a sinus infection all the time and have > tried most of the families of antibiotics. Have tried all the remedies ever > posted. My only salvation in this respect is that I make my own colloidal > silver and put a weak solution (about 5ppm) in an old empty eye solution bottle > and when my head stops up on the right side I put several drops in that ear > and then lean my head over the side of the bed and but 5 or 6 drops in that > side of my head and it helps. Have severe middle and inner problems with long > acting tubes in both ears. > > Also tried IV mild silver protein. This Dr. in my state says that he has > cured Lyme with this. I took about 3 or 4 treatments of the weakness solution > of 1cc silver with 50cc of solution but I herxed so badly that I couldn't > continue, blood pressure went up and all over sickness with vomiting. I was > taking IV celation and decided to try this when I hear about it. So I think the > dye is cast for me. Take over $300 of supplements to keep me where I am. > > Sorry this is so long but it is only a small portion of the book that I > could write. > Take Care, > > H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 have you been checked for yeast, ebv, hhv6and 8 mycroplasma,to name a few, ever tried a coffee enema, or liver/ gb flush, they can help detox the body. read www.sas.com i get my coffee here roger > > should take a lot of bioflavonids. Have been taking them and don't > see a > > difference. Just about everything I take makes my head hurt worse > and brain real > > foggy. Haven't been diagnosed with lyme but have had all the > symptoms for > > years. Can't see any reason to be diagnosed since the only > antibiotic that I can > > take is Augmentin. Just about keep a sinus infection all the time > and have > > tried most of the families of antibiotics. Have tried all the > remedies ever > > posted. My only salvation in this respect is that I make my own > colloidal > > silver and put a weak solution (about 5ppm) in an old empty eye > solution bottle > > and when my head stops up on the right side I put several drops in > that ear > > and then lean my head over the side of the bed and but 5 or 6 drops > in that > > side of my head and it helps. Have severe middle and inner problems > with long > > acting tubes in both ears. > > > > Also tried IV mild silver protein. This Dr. in my state says that > he has > > cured Lyme with this. I took about 3 or 4 treatments of the > weakness solution > > of 1cc silver with 50cc of solution but I herxed so badly that I > couldn't > > continue, blood pressure went up and all over sickness with > vomiting. I was > > taking IV celation and decided to try this when I hear about it. So > I think the > > dye is cast for me. Take over $300 of supplements to keep me where > I am. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Thank you . Sheryl [ ] Blood Brain Barrier Carol wrote: > So, you think the tick broke your brain's > blood barrier too?? > Hi, first time that I have seen this mentioned here but maybe don't read all > the posts but I think that is part of the problem that I can't take many > meds.After reading about this problem after doing a search on google that one > should take a lot of bioflavonids. Have been taking them and don't see a > difference. Just about everything I take makes my head hurt worse and brain real > foggy. Haven't been diagnosed with lyme but have had all the symptoms for > years. Can't see any reason to be diagnosed since the only antibiotic that I can > take is Augmentin. Just about keep a sinus infection all the time and have > tried most of the families of antibiotics. Have tried all the remedies ever > posted. My only salvation in this respect is that I make my own colloidal > silver and put a weak solution (about 5ppm) in an old empty eye solution bottle > and when my head stops up on the right side I put several drops in that ear > and then lean my head over the side of the bed and but 5 or 6 drops in that > side of my head and it helps. Have severe middle and inner problems with long > acting tubes in both ears. > > Also tried IV mild silver protein. This Dr. in my state says that he has > cured Lyme with this. I took about 3 or 4 treatments of the weakness solution > of 1cc silver with 50cc of solution but I herxed so badly that I couldn't > continue, blood pressure went up and all over sickness with vomiting. I was > taking IV celation and decided to try this when I hear about it. So I think the > dye is cast for me. Take over $300 of supplements to keep me where I am. > > Sorry this is so long but it is only a small portion of the book that I > could write. > Take Care, > > H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 Blood brain barrier is the mechanism that helps to protect the brain from potentially harmful substances. The cells of the capillaries are tightly sealed, thus forming the Blood Brain Barrier. Many medicines do not cross the blood brain barrier. I know that sounds strange when you say but would not medicine help the brain. Alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, and antidepressants will pass thru the Blood Brain Barrier. Substances that the brain readily needs do not easily pass thru the Blood Brain Barrier, such as sugar, and amino acids. An example of an antibiotic that does not cross easily would be penicillin. Source of information: Merck Manual of Medical Information, 2nd Home Edition. Pg. 390 - 391. I hope this help, You might think of it as a filtering system. Oxygen has to cross the barrier also. Sooo if a person smokes they effectively decrease the amount of oxygen that is transported by the red blood cells to the brain, also if a person is anemic that would also decrease the amount of available oxygen in the blood that again is transported to the brain. When a physician is treating an infection they have to take in to consideration does the antibiotic cross the brain barrier, which is particularly important if the infection involves any part of the brain. Submitted by Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 In a message dated 3/23/05 2:57:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, virginiaedward@... writes: Many medicines do not cross the blood brain barrier. I know that sounds strange when you say but would not medicine help the brain. This is not true. Everything crosses the Blood Brain barrier. We just don't know the effects of everything as it crosses the blood brain barrier. One proof: Alcohol and Phenol injected in muscles in the legs can affect the brain. I know because I personally hallucinated as a result of these injections. I was five and a half years old at the time. Botox travels through the body as well. Proof: Myobloc, also known as Botox B, I believe which was injected in the arms, affected the person's ability to swallow in one case as was mentioned on one of the email groups. Botox is also known to affect other areas of the body far away from where it was injected. We don't know enough about how the brain and the nervous system are interconnected to make assumptions that are 100% true all the time. There's no such thing as something being ingested orally or injected and only going to one location within the body. Everything goes through the blood one way or another and since blood travels through the whole body without making any distinction of stopping along the way. Chemicals within our bodies pick up and drop off from various systems in our bodies what they need in order to function and they excrete what it doesn't need. They used to think that alcohol wouldn't affect a developing fetus's brain. Wrong. They used to think that the blood brain barrier filters everything and keeps certain things away from the brain. Wrong again. Dina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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