amalgams/chelation

[Guest guest]

Hi Nil,

I think that generally, most of the sites I have studied, and from some of

the more expert types on some of the mercury lists I have been on, the

general consensus is that most folks feel good right after removal, then the

body starts dumping some mercury about 2-3 months after that. Your body

doesn't know whether you have one two or thirteen amalgams, it only knows

that there is some type of equilibrium that needs to be restored, and

mercury will move around and be re-distributed among tissues and organs, and

some will be excreted by the body around about that time. I think there's

another dumping period around nine months or so after removal, but I'm not

sure that this brain fogged mind has the second dump period correct, but

there is a second. It's been mapped out by more than one person, that I do

remember. So if you had two out in September, you are probably dumping

(re-distributing/excreting possibly) mercury. I think to some degree the

size of the amalgams and how much they were leaching, as well as your total

body burden of mercury, and how tightly bound the mercury is, will determine

how much your body needs to find a new resting state with respect to

mercury.

I read 's post further on down the line, that Klinghardt's site says

start chelation immediately after removal, but like he says, it may be

dated. The time frame I have heard mentioned often is more like closer to 6

months, as long as a year. A lot depends on your state of health to begin

with, how much mercury you have, what you choose to chelate with, be they

natural products or pharmaceuticals....I just can't stress enough to do a

lot of research, get a liver detox panel done at the very least, contact

DAMS and get their info packet, speak to people if you can, join a list like

metals list and read archives or just lurk for awhile, decide what agents

you want to use....some people see a lot of improvement just by amalgam

removal alone, and don't ever chelate. Those people usually are the ones

whose mercury is not so tightly bound. And note, this is likely not brain

mercury, which is the most tightly bound, and hardest to get rid of. There

are lots of different protocols out there, and lots of new products. There's

now something called CLNZ, which I know nothing about, just read that a

member from the metals list posted that his practitioner had just switched

him to it. He was experiencing signs of detox, so it was doing something,

although way to early in the game to know just what that " something " was.

Hope this helps.

Donna in NC

amalgams/chelation

> Donna,

> I had two of my amalgams removed in September. I still have two more.Would

you think my body has started dumping out some mercury as the mercury

balance of the body has changed because of the removal of the two amalgams

or would you think body is waiting for the last Amalgam to be removed to

start dumping out? Also,what would you think the optimum waiting time period

would be before starting chelation.

> Thanks for the info.

> Nil

[Guest guest]

Thank you Donna for very helpful answer.This also may explain why Hal

Huggins says that removals should be completed within a month time. It seems

that everytime we take one or two amalgams out body's equilibrium is

disturbed and redistribution will start and this will be tiring for the body

detox systems in the long run.So it seems that it is better to complete all

the removals as soon as possible once the procedure has started, ensuring

that removal is done in safe way. I have 2 more amalgams left. I have now

decided to remove them at the same time instead of giving some time lag in

between removals. Of course I will wait some more to do that to give my

detox systems some resting time.

You have been very helpful.I know understood something which has been

keeping my mind busy for long time.

So,

Friends who are about to start Amalgam removal,

Please make very good search and don't face with the problems we are going

through. Take your time.It is better to live with amalgams than remove them

with rush and than try to solve the problems created.Getting better is much

harder than.Donna has written a very well note on this. No more to add.

Nil

amalgams/chelation

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| > Donna,

| > I had two of my amalgams removed in September. I still have two

more.Would

| you think my body has started dumping out some mercury as the mercury

| balance of the body has changed because of the removal of the two amalgams

| or would you think body is waiting for the last Amalgam to be removed to

| start dumping out? Also,what would you think the optimum waiting time

period

| would be before starting chelation.

| > Thanks for the info.

| > Nil

|

|

| This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

I have been getting worse over the last couple of months brain-wise.I

started having severe brain fog,feeling of swelling on the left side of my

brain. I am very frustrated.I was trying to find out what caused it.I,by

chance, reread your note and noticed that it had almost been 8 to 9 months

after my first improper amalgam removal.So,it could be because of this this

second dumping period.Just wanted to inform you.

Thanks.

Nil

amalgams/chelation

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| > Donna,

| > I had two of my amalgams removed in September. I still have two

more.Would

| you think my body has started dumping out some mercury as the mercury

| balance of the body has changed because of the removal of the two amalgams

| or would you think body is waiting for the last Amalgam to be removed to

| start dumping out? Also,what would you think the optimum waiting time

period

| would be before starting chelation.

| > Thanks for the info.

| > Nil

|

|

| This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

|

|

[Guest guest]

Nil,

Thanks for letting me know. Yes, it could be due to that. I would think that

perhaps as your body equilibrates, some of the sensation of swelling might

be lessened, or even relieved. It is so hard to say with mercury.

I too have been having some trying times. Like you, brain fog has increased

greatly, with a feeling of intense pressure gripping my whole head, but not

a headache type pressure. It is accompanied by fatigue that is unlike any

other I've experienced yet in these many years, and also by mid to late

afternoon internal tremors and jitters. A very scary feeling overall. I

still think it is adrenal related, as I must immediately lie down, before I

pass out, except that I don't pass out. I just wish I would - sort of like

when you are so nauseous you just want to vomit to get it over with. Several

hours later these episodes pass, but the brain fog and exhaustion don't. My

EI doc says it's a food allergy reaction, or a withdrawal from a food, but I

disagree. I tend to think it is adrenal related. Of course, I could be

mobilizing mercury myself somehow, though not on purpose. That might explain

why my neuropathies are getting worse.

I do hope things calm down for you.

Donna in NC

Re: amalgams/chelation

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>

> | Hi Nil,

> | I think that generally, most of the sites I have studied, and from some

of | the more expert types on some of the mercury lists I have been on, the

| general consensus is that most folks feel good right after removal, then

the | body starts dumping some mercury about 2-3 months after that. <snip>

I think there's | another dumping period around nine months or so after

removal, but I'm not | sure that this brain fogged mind has the second dump

period correct, but | there is a second. It's been mapped out by more than

one person, that I do | remember. So if you had two out in September, you

are probably dumping ......

[Guest guest]

I tend to think it is adrenal related.

Hi Donna

Have you tried anything for the adrenals at all, low dose

hydrocortisone or adrenal glandulars to see if it helps?

Have you had your thyroid function checked and were your results in

the high range rather than the low range (T3 and T4)?

Pam

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

Have you had an Adrenal Stress Index (ASI) test? Also, do you

experience low blood pressure?

I'm taking glandulars too, but so far they haven't helped my low BP.

My local doc is talking about hydrocortisone too, depending on the

results of the ASI. However, in his book " Chronic Fatigue Unmasked

2000, " Dr. Poesnecker warns against the use of hydrocortisone,

instead recommending ACE. He thinks it is far to strong and his

arguments make sense. So, I contacted him and will soon begin

treatment with him.

BTW, I had a ton of mercury in my mouth too. All of it was removed,

but not safely.

- don

> Hi Pam,

>

> I have tried, and am currently on several natural type adrenal

support

> supplements, including an adrenal glandular (for several years),

and more

> recently trials with Seriphos, licorice root extract, and several

others. I

> have not tried hydrocortisone, although my mother has offered to

send me

> some of her prednisone for a trial to see if there is any boost or

> discernable difference in my situation. I may take her up on her

offer if I

> don't get any relief soon.

>

> I have been diagnosed hypothyroid since '98, and have been on meds

since -

> currently, 1 grain Bio-Throid (like Armour) twice/day, and 5 mcg

Cytomel

> with my morning thyroid meds. Mt latest thyroid tests show T3 in

mid-range,

> and T4 low normal (a result of T3 supplementation my doc says, but

it has

> never been high). My TSH is WNL also.

>

> Thanks for asking. Any thoughts are appreciated.

>

> Donna in NC

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

You don't need a prescription for the ASI, but a doctor (ND or MD)

must order it for you. Dr. Poesnecker (and other docs) say the only

reliable ASI test is done by Diagnos-Tech, Inc.

Be very careful with hydrocortisone. It works by shutting down your

adrenals to give them time to regenerate. If your adrenals are in

really bad shape, I've heard of people who have had a difficult time

getting them restarted (--sort of like someone who hasn't slept for

three days--not easy to wake her or him up). If you are seeing an

alternative doc, ask about ACE. It is suppose to be milder and safer.

Sounds like with your low BP and high mercury load, we are pretty

much in the same boat. One thing I have learned is that you can't

fix your adrenals without addressing your immune system as well.

Infections drain your adrenals. In my case, I originally came down

with CFS in 1992 after contracting mono. My adrenals never did fully

recover, and became much worse in 1999 because I took on an excessive

amount of work, without pacing myself. That's when my BP went

through the floor.

I highly recommend reading Dr. Poesnecker's book " Chronic Fatigue

Unmasked 2000, " in which he explains the relationship between immune,

hormonal, and neural problems in CFS patients.

BTW, I have found that Acetyl L-Carnitine helps raise my BP.

However, use it in moderation and avoid over doing activities,

otherwise, you will further exhaust your adrenals. I have discovered

other quick fixes for my BP over the last couple of years, but didn't

follow my own advice and made my condition worse. I now have chest

pains, as a consequence.

- don

> Don,

> I have not had an ASI. Do I need a prescription for one? I hear it

mentioned

> alot, but don't remember which lab.

>

> Yes, I do have low blood pressure - very low.

>

> I don't want to use hydrocortisone either. I'm considering a week

long trial

> just to see if there are any noticeable differences, then perhaps I

can get

> one of my doctors to listen to me. In the meantime I am having to

> self-diagnose as best I can.

>

> Mercury is definitely a problem, and makes it difficult to tell

what is

> what.

>

> Donna in NC

[Guest guest]

> Don,

> I have not had an ASI. Do I need a prescription for one? I hear it

mentioned

> alot, but don't remember which lab.

>

> Yes, I do have low blood pressure - very low.

>

> I don't want to use hydrocortisone either.

If you have a problem of mercury poisoning it is highly likely that

the glandulars just won't be strong enough to help and that you

might need low dose hydrocortisone to give you the help you need.

It would be a good idea to give it a trial at say 5mg with breakfast

and 5mg lunchtime for a week and see how you feel.

I am taking 5 mg breakfast and then use adrenal glandulars at

lunchtime.

Do a search under Adrenal Insufficiency and you will find that it is

quite safe in low doses.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Pam,

It may be quite safe in low doses, however, I would suggest taking

the ASI test first. An experienced doctor can use this test to

determine the appropriate times and dosages. Keep in mind that for

badly depleted adrendals, low dosages of hydrocortisone or ACE may

have little or no effect on symptoms (--though, it should give the

adrenals a rest and, hence, help in regeneration).

- don

> If you have a problem of mercury poisoning it is highly likely that

> the glandulars just won't be strong enough to help and that you

> might need low dose hydrocortisone to give you the help you need.

> It would be a good idea to give it a trial at say 5mg with

breakfast

> and 5mg lunchtime for a week and see how you feel.

>

> I am taking 5 mg breakfast and then use adrenal glandulars at

> lunchtime.

>

> Do a search under Adrenal Insufficiency and you will find that it

is

> quite safe in low doses.

>

> Pam

[Guest guest]

This is what Andy has to say about chelating with amalgams,basically that it is

unsafe with amalgams and for 3 months after removal of amalgams.This is what I

was referencing in an earlier post.

How long to wait after amalgam replacement before chelating:

for DMSA: at least 4 days

for ALA: at least 3 months. ALA has specific risks because it crosses the

blood-brain-barrier. It is riskier if used soon after mercury exposure (such as

soon after amalgam

Q: My child has only one amalgam filling, and I can't seem to find a

dentist who will agree to replace it. Can't I go ahead and chelate? Absolutely

not. You cannot start chelation if there are any silver amalgam fillings

present. The chelator will remove mercury from the filling and deposit it in

your child's body, making him even more toxic.

replacement). This should be considered in deciding when to use ALA.

[Guest guest]

For whomever had the question about a child with one filling that you

could not get replaced...

Have you seen a holistic dentist? Usually a mercury conscious dentist

will replace it at your request because they know the hazards of it.

Is is baby tooth?

What we did: As her baby teeth with amalgam became loose, we went to

the dentist saying it was hurting a lot and she could not chew, and it

was taking forever to come out.....so he numbed it and pulled it for us.

The adult molar with one amalgam: We went through three dentist until

we found one that would take it out. I told him she didn't like the

look of it and wanted a white filling.

I went through quite a few dentists until I found one who would do

what I wanted...and why not? I AM PAYING them...

>

> This is what Andy has to say about chelating with amalgams,basically

that it is unsafe with amalgams and for 3 months after removal of

amalgams.This is what I was referencing in an earlier post.

> How long to wait after amalgam replacement before chelating:

> for DMSA: at least 4 days

> for ALA: at least 3 months. ALA has specific risks because it

crosses the blood-brain-barrier. It is riskier if used soon after

mercury exposure (such as soon after amalgam

>

> Q: My child has only one amalgam filling, and I can't seem to

find a dentist who will agree to replace it. Can't I go ahead and

chelate? Absolutely not. You cannot start chelation if there are any

silver amalgam fillings present. The chelator will remove mercury from

the filling and deposit it in your child's body, making him even more

toxic.

>