Guest guest Posted September 17, 2002 Report Share Posted September 17, 2002 :orinda There is a difference between a sensitivity and an allergy. I enjoy hot spicy foods a couple of times a week to keep my sinuses open. Things like Mexican salsa with peppers as hot as is tolerable, horseradish, strong ginger/chili/tumeric/garlic combinations, etc. mjh In a message dated 9/17/02 3:31:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: > Yes, we have eliminated gluten since April when she had a completely > blocked, left maxillary sinus. > Gluten elimination has improved her health somewhat, but the recurring > sinusitis lead to a sinus flush and the abovementioned bloodtest (IgE + > food substances + animals) to find out what keeps triggering the > sinusitus infections. > Thank you for all the advice, I will definitely look into this some more. > Lorinda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 Hot foods is a good idea! Unfortunately Marcelia is only 7 and to get her to eat spicy foods is not possible. But, eliminating colourants, flavourants, preservatives and gluten the past few weeks have already made a noticeable difference. Lorinda On Tuesday, September 17, 2002, at 01:37 , foxhillers@... wrote: > :orinda > There is a difference between a sensitivity and an allergy. > I enjoy hot spicy foods a couple of times a week to keep my > sinuses > open. Things like Mexican salsa with peppers as hot as is tolerable, > horseradish, strong ginger/chili/tumeric/garlic combinations, etc. > mjh > > > In a message dated 9/17/02 3:31:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > writes: > > >> Yes, we have eliminated gluten since April when she had a completely >> blocked, left maxillary sinus. >> Gluten elimination has improved her health somewhat, but the recurring >> sinusitis lead to a sinus flush and the abovementioned bloodtest (IgE + >> food substances + animals) to find out what keeps triggering the >> sinusitus infections. >> Thank you for all the advice, I will definitely look into this some >> more. >> Lorinda >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2002 Report Share Posted September 18, 2002 Dear Lorinda, Something came to mind while I was reading the posts on gluten. If Marcelia (what a pretty name) has been on a gluten-free diet, her blood tests may be affected. One of the ways that doctors check for compliance on a gluten-free diet is to do routine blood tests. If they show a reaction to gluten, the individual with a gluten intolerance (Celiac disease or Celiac sprue) is not eating a gluten-free diet. Even if Marcelia's test's come back and don't show gluten intolerance, trust your instincts and don't feed her anything that you think may be a problem. Best wishes, Carrol Lorinda Theron wrote:Hot foods is a good idea! Unfortunately Marcelia is only 7 and to get her to eat spicy foods is not possible. But, eliminating colourants, flavourants, preservatives and gluten the past few weeks have already made a noticeable difference. Lorinda On Tuesday, September 17, 2002, at 01:37 , foxhillers@... wrote: > :orinda > There is a difference between a sensitivity and an allergy. > I enjoy hot spicy foods a couple of times a week to keep my > sinuses > open. Things like Mexican salsa with peppers as hot as is tolerable, > horseradish, strong ginger/chili/tumeric/garlic combinations, etc. > mjh > > > In a message dated 9/17/02 3:31:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > writes: > > >> Yes, we have eliminated gluten since April when she had a completely >> blocked, left maxillary sinus. >> Gluten elimination has improved her health somewhat, but the recurring >> sinusitis lead to a sinus flush and the abovementioned bloodtest (IgE + >> food substances + animals) to find out what keeps triggering the >> sinusitus infections. >> Thank you for all the advice, I will definitely look into this some >> more. >> Lorinda >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 Dear Carrol, Thank you for the compliment. Marcelia's ear, nose and throat specialist said exactly the same as you: nevermind blood tests, if one can see by trial and error, taking the gluten away makes a difference, it is a much better indication than what a blood test can tell you. We still had to get the bloodtest done to find other possible allergens, since the sinusitis came back after each course of antibiotics. So we will continue in this way: eliminate gluten as well as the other allergens the blood test identified. Kind regards, Lorinda On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, at 10:14 , Carrol Showalter wrote: > Even if Marcelia's test's come back and don't show gluten intolerance, > trust your instincts and don't feed her anything that you think may be > a problem. > > Best wishes, > Carrol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 Dear Lorinda, I may be completely out in left field here, but since Marcelia's symptoms returned after antibiotics I couldn't help but wonder about Candida overgrowth. I'm sure someone in our group who is more computer literate than I will know of some articles or web sites about Candida affecting the brain. I have experienced severe sinusitis after antibiotics and a culture revealed yeast, not bacteria, as the culprit. All this is to say that I'm brainstorming with you. To me, epilepsy has been a large complex puzzle with a multitude of pieces. Each little piece brings us one step closer to solving the puzzle. Best wishes, Carrol Lorinda Theron wrote:Dear Carrol, Thank you for the compliment. Marcelia's ear, nose and throat specialist said exactly the same as you: nevermind blood tests, if one can see by trial and error, taking the gluten away makes a difference, it is a much better indication than what a blood test can tell you. We still had to get the bloodtest done to find other possible allergens, since the sinusitis came back after each course of antibiotics. So we will continue in this way: eliminate gluten as well as the other allergens the blood test identified. Kind regards, Lorinda On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, at 10:14 , Carrol Showalter wrote: > Even if Marcelia's test's come back and don't show gluten intolerance, > trust your instincts and don't feed her anything that you think may be > a problem. > > Best wishes, > Carrol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 In a message dated 11/26/03 2:30:34 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > i hope this hasnt worried you, i am probably a reasonably extreme > case, most of these are easily tolerated...just do expec to be very > low for a few days > > Dear Jeni: No you are NOT an extreme case. All that you described is very common. I had every one of those symptoms when I got off Paxil. They're frightening, aren't they, especially the looking in the mirror and not recognizing yourself. UGH! That was really weird. So glad you are doing better. My advice: Stay away from psychiatrists and their voodoo drugs. <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 In a message dated 11/26/03 2:30:34 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > i hope this hasnt worried you, i am probably a reasonably extreme > case, most of these are easily tolerated...just do expec to be very > low for a few days > > Dear Jeni: No you are NOT an extreme case. All that you described is very common. I had every one of those symptoms when I got off Paxil. They're frightening, aren't they, especially the looking in the mirror and not recognizing yourself. UGH! That was really weird. So glad you are doing better. My advice: Stay away from psychiatrists and their voodoo drugs. <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 In a message dated 11/26/03 2:30:34 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > Right now I am taking 37.5 every other day and in a > week will go to every 3rd day for a week, etc. > This is where you are getting totally BAD ADVICE!!!!! Weaning off slowly is the only way to go, alternating doses will only cause you more distress. If your doctor told you to do this, YOU NEED TO GET A NEW DOCTOR!!!! <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 In a message dated 11/26/03 2:30:34 AM Mountain Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: > Right now I am taking 37.5 every other day and in a > week will go to every 3rd day for a week, etc. > This is where you are getting totally BAD ADVICE!!!!! Weaning off slowly is the only way to go, alternating doses will only cause you more distress. If your doctor told you to do this, YOU NEED TO GET A NEW DOCTOR!!!! <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 I know im not at all extreme, i was very lucky with my symptoms...its just dont want to worry people because sometimes they can be fine. You had the not recognising yourself too? isnt it odd...and of course it makes you feel really dumb. jeni > > > Dear Jeni: No you are NOT an extreme case. All that you described is very > common. I had every one of those symptoms when I got off Paxil. They're > frightening, aren't they, especially the looking in the mirror and not recognizing > yourself. UGH! That was really weird. So glad you are doing better. My > advice: Stay away from psychiatrists and their voodoo drugs. > > <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> > a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 I know im not at all extreme, i was very lucky with my symptoms...its just dont want to worry people because sometimes they can be fine. You had the not recognising yourself too? isnt it odd...and of course it makes you feel really dumb. jeni > > > Dear Jeni: No you are NOT an extreme case. All that you described is very > common. I had every one of those symptoms when I got off Paxil. They're > frightening, aren't they, especially the looking in the mirror and not recognizing > yourself. UGH! That was really weird. So glad you are doing better. My > advice: Stay away from psychiatrists and their voodoo drugs. > > <A HREF= " http://anxiety-panic.com/griffon " >Blind Reason</A> > a novel of espionage and pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Another important point about asking them to smile is to observe which side of the face might be paralized. This can indicate where in the brain the stroke originated. Message: 25 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: Suzanne <suziesgoats@...> Subject: Re: RECOGNIZING A STROKE If they're having a stroke, they can't smile... Toni <tone102@...> wrote:I know that article may make sense but if someone is having a stroke, it is to be assumed that they would not be feeling too hot..right? Who the heck is going to want to smile?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:05:32 +1100 From: " Emma " <eln@...> Subject: To new member Dear , I have poor digestion and many intolerances and no appetite and am yet to try the egg drink and am wondering if you meant that the egg drink improved your appetite or decreased it? I'm hoping it improved it, that certainly would be a big help for me... ~Emma ==> Hi Emma, Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:05:32 +1100 From: " Emma " <eln@...> Subject: To new member Dear , I have poor digestion and many intolerances and no appetite and am yet to try the egg drink and am wondering if you meant that the egg drink improved your appetite or decreased it? I'm hoping it improved it, that certainly would be a big help for me... ~Emma ==> Hi Emma, The egg drink satisfies me. I usually eat all evening and never really find what it is I want. When I drink the mixture it just leaves me satisfied of my cravings enough that I can eat my dinner or not. I do not crave snacks. It’s not heavy or anything and it doesn’t make my stomach feel really full it just takes care of my cravings and hunger. I am about 45 pounds over weight so it helps me control my diet. I also have more energy and my thinking is not as foggy. I don’t really have problems getting sick on what I eat. I will get sick usually only when my arthritis pain gets really bad. One other thing I don’t use the stevia in it. I just don’t like it and the stevia does tend to make the experience just yucky for me. Without the stevia to me the drink taste like a plain latte. I hope this helps some. I know this must be hard on you. Have you thought about making the mixture and trying like a ¼ of a cup at a time to see if you are going to be able to tolerate it? --------------------------------- Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:59:41 -0000 From: " Bee Wilder " <beeisbuzzing2003@...> Subject: allergies & arthritis ==> I'm glad you are enjoying the raw egg drink! Good for you. I'd be cautious about having kefir - most people with candida do not do well on it even if it is homemade which can remove most of the lactose. The reason it causes problems isn't necessarily because of the sugar (lactose). It may be caused by the casein in the milk which is very difficult to digest, esp. by candida sufferers. Also all dairy other than butter are carbs. If you are having problems experiment by cutting out the kefir for at least 5 days and see if you improve. <snip> Ok I will cut out the kefir and see if this helps, but I sure to hate to give it up. I really like the taste. I think your right though as I think it may be blocking me from loosing wieght. So I will give it go with it. ==>See the Arthritis file, and there's one on Gout too. The pains you experienced after starting on the diet may be because during natural healing your body will go backwards through every single symptom, illness, disease, injury, etc. It's like peeling off the layers of an onion when healing naturally. You will re-experience aches and pains, but it is more like a " copy " of the original problem as you heal. You know this makes sense. I hurt a lot like I did after I had my knee surgery back when the pain was really bad. Thank you for getting back with me, --------------------------------- Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Hi , I just signed in and saw your message. That is very impressive. I can just imagine how good that oil would be - a true virgin oil. Are you affiliated with any coconut production company or are you producing oil mainly for personal use? And, if you don't mind me asking, what would be the cost per litre and shelf life for a special oil like that? I think it would be too expensive for our customers, but if someone from our affiliation is in the Philippines this year, it would be a special little treat for us vco connoisseurs to try. Just so we know what the real " good stuff " is like. I am actually very impressed with all the producers I have become aware of through this forum. And we hope to follow up with them within the next few months. The ANH market segmentation strategy is absolutely brilliant, honest, simple but catchy. Thats what our customers want. Whoever coined it, is right on. I think this is just the beginning of what can be achieved through producers sharing info and working together. Tell me, what are the best varieties of coconut trees. I see you mentioned the Laguna Tall variety. I read somewhere that the hybrid trees actually have a slightly higher lauric acid content. Not that I think that is something to strive for in choosing an oil. One of the reasons I ask is that I saw a Philippine producer advertising that they definitely do not use any hybrid trees. However, they did not state why and I am curious. I believe they use alot of hybrids in Thailand. I don't know what they have in India. Mr. K. S. Rao did say that they have nice Mallabar coconut trees over there. Maybe he would tell us more about them. It would seem to me that the coconut oil would taste different depending on the variety of the coconut tree, where's its grown, how, etc. I am still perplexed on this Iodine Value thing as well. When I looked at Selina's site, I noticed that the IV was also in the 4 range. I have come across this in Indonesian oil too. Yet I thought the IV for coconut was 7.5 - 9 ? Why the low value? Does anybody know? Lil melly banagale <@...> wrote: Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Dear Lil, The ANH process is registered under my Husband's name and is in the process of getting an IPO. (intellectual property rights) for it. he developed this process in 1983. This is the same process that we are teaching individuals and cooperatives who would want to go into the production of VCO. Our plant is open to interested parties who would like to come and visit. We only require a prior appointment from them so as not to hamper ongoing production. We have been unselfishly transferring this technology to people who are sincerely willing to follow this process and we are really happy to note that a lot have already gained or earned from it. It makes us even happier when we see those that we have taught have also made improvements for the betterment of the product. Take for example Mel and Steve of Cocovida. We visited their plant last Thrusday and we really felt so elated that not only do they have a clean, orderly and well managed plant but that they also have introduced some innovative systems, that could help in the production process without compromising the quality of the final product. Cheers to this couple. Tess Lillian Bache <agreenchoice@...> wrote: Hi , I just signed in and saw your message. That is very impressive. I can just imagine how good that oil would be - a true virgin oil. Are you affiliated with any coconut production company or are you producing oil mainly for personal use? And, if you don't mind me asking, what would be the cost per litre and shelf life for a special oil like that? I think it would be too expensive for our customers, but if someone from our affiliation is in the Philippines this year, it would be a special little treat for us vco connoisseurs to try. Just so we know what the real " good stuff " is like. I am actually very impressed with all the producers I have become aware of through this forum. And we hope to follow up with them within the next few months. The ANH market segmentation strategy is absolutely brilliant, honest, simple but catchy. Thats what our customers want. Whoever coined it, is right on. I think this is just the beginning of what can be achieved through producers sharing info and working together. Tell me, what are the best varieties of coconut trees. I see you mentioned the Laguna Tall variety. I read somewhere that the hybrid trees actually have a slightly higher lauric acid content. Not that I think that is something to strive for in choosing an oil. One of the reasons I ask is that I saw a Philippine producer advertising that they definitely do not use any hybrid trees. However, they did not state why and I am curious. I believe they use alot of hybrids in Thailand. I don't know what they have in India. Mr. K. S. Rao did say that they have nice Mallabar coconut trees over there. Maybe he would tell us more about them. It would seem to me that the coconut oil would taste different depending on the variety of the coconut tree, where's its grown, how, etc. I am still perplexed on this Iodine Value thing as well. When I looked at Selina's site, I noticed that the IV was also in the 4 range. I have come across this in Indonesian oil too. Yet I thought the IV for coconut was 7.5 - 9 ? Why the low value? Does anybody know? Lil melly banagale <@...> wrote: Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Good day! I just would like to comment on this ANH or " absolutely no heat " process. For me who is a technical person, it sounds vague because I believe there is no such thing as absolutely no heat in this world. We would not survive as living individuals without heat. So why don't we specify the operating temperature instead, e.g., VCO production at average temperature of 26 deg. C and etc. and it would be a more precise information (objective enough) to the buyers because buyers or consumers of VCO like me would like VCO processed as cold as possible to retain the biologically active poly phenols, MCTs, and others that make it beneficial. What we want is be assured of that the VCO we consume is genuine and best in quality supposedly processed below 50 deg. C to be labelled as cold pressed. Thanks. . . . Lillian Bache <agreenchoice@...> wrote: Hi , I just signed in and saw your message. That is very impressive. I can just imagine how good that oil would be - a true virgin oil. Are you affiliated with any coconut production company or are you producing oil mainly for personal use? And, if you don't mind me asking, what would be the cost per litre and shelf life for a special oil like that? I think it would be too expensive for our customers, but if someone from our affiliation is in the Philippines this year, it would be a special little treat for us vco connoisseurs to try. Just so we know what the real " good stuff " is like. I am actually very impressed with all the producers I have become aware of through this forum. And we hope to follow up with them within the next few months. The ANH market segmentation strategy is absolutely brilliant, honest, simple but catchy. Thats what our customers want. Whoever coined it, is right on. I think this is just the beginning of what can be achieved through producers sharing info and working together. Tell me, what are the best varieties of coconut trees. I see you mentioned the Laguna Tall variety. I read somewhere that the hybrid trees actually have a slightly higher lauric acid content. Not that I think that is something to strive for in choosing an oil. One of the reasons I ask is that I saw a Philippine producer advertising that they definitely do not use any hybrid trees. However, they did not state why and I am curious. I believe they use alot of hybrids in Thailand. I don't know what they have in India. Mr. K. S. Rao did say that they have nice Mallabar coconut trees over there. Maybe he would tell us more about them. It would seem to me that the coconut oil would taste different depending on the variety of the coconut tree, where's its grown, how, etc. I am still perplexed on this Iodine Value thing as well. When I looked at Selina's site, I noticed that the IV was also in the 4 range. I have come across this in Indonesian oil too. Yet I thought the IV for coconut was 7.5 - 9 ? Why the low value? Does anybody know? Lil melly banagale <@...> wrote: Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 " ABSOLUTELY NO HEAT " was the term given by the Philippine Coconut Authority to the cold process that we are doing, to distinguish our VCO products from made from Cold Process from those who put in their labels " cold Pressed " . Anyway, ANH stands for " A No Heat " Process. rosella villaruel <cocongineer@...> wrote: Good day! I just would like to comment on this ANH or " absolutely no heat " process. For me who is a technical person, it sounds vague because I believe there is no such thing as absolutely no heat in this world. We would not survive as living individuals without heat. So why don't we specify the operating temperature instead, e.g., VCO production at average temperature of 26 deg. C and etc. and it would be a more precise information (objective enough) to the buyers because buyers or consumers of VCO like me would like VCO processed as cold as possible to retain the biologically active poly phenols, MCTs, and others that make it beneficial. What we want is be assured of that the VCO we consume is genuine and best in quality supposedly processed below 50 deg. C to be labelled as cold pressed. Thanks. . . . Lillian Bache <agreenchoice@...> wrote: Hi , I just signed in and saw your message. That is very impressive. I can just imagine how good that oil would be - a true virgin oil. Are you affiliated with any coconut production company or are you producing oil mainly for personal use? And, if you don't mind me asking, what would be the cost per litre and shelf life for a special oil like that? I think it would be too expensive for our customers, but if someone from our affiliation is in the Philippines this year, it would be a special little treat for us vco connoisseurs to try. Just so we know what the real " good stuff " is like. I am actually very impressed with all the producers I have become aware of through this forum. And we hope to follow up with them within the next few months. The ANH market segmentation strategy is absolutely brilliant, honest, simple but catchy. Thats what our customers want. Whoever coined it, is right on. I think this is just the beginning of what can be achieved through producers sharing info and working together. Tell me, what are the best varieties of coconut trees. I see you mentioned the Laguna Tall variety. I read somewhere that the hybrid trees actually have a slightly higher lauric acid content. Not that I think that is something to strive for in choosing an oil. One of the reasons I ask is that I saw a Philippine producer advertising that they definitely do not use any hybrid trees. However, they did not state why and I am curious. I believe they use alot of hybrids in Thailand. I don't know what they have in India. Mr. K. S. Rao did say that they have nice Mallabar coconut trees over there. Maybe he would tell us more about them. It would seem to me that the coconut oil would taste different depending on the variety of the coconut tree, where's its grown, how, etc. I am still perplexed on this Iodine Value thing as well. When I looked at Selina's site, I noticed that the IV was also in the 4 range. I have come across this in Indonesian oil too. Yet I thought the IV for coconut was 7.5 - 9 ? Why the low value? Does anybody know? Lil melly banagale <@...> wrote: Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Maam Tess, Maybe the term was given by somebody from PCA (not in official documents because I had not seen one) and probably before the Philippine VCO standards was finalized. There were several terminologies before which were meant to position their VCO products as best in quality like extra virgin, extra cold pressed, etc. Now that the PNS is here, maybe it will harmonize things here in the Philippines, but not of course in the international scene because the international standard is not yet there. I also argued with one of the PCA engineers regarding the term " absolutely no heat " that it should not be used because technically it is really inappropriate and misleading. We felt obliged to tell anyone about true and objective (measurable) terms so that I suggested to instead indicate the processing temperature, be it at room temperature, freezing, or whatever , inorder for the buyer to imagine /quantify how cold the process is and of course for him or her to decide which is best. We are /I am thankful for your contribution to the VCO development and I believe both of us feel the need to protect the industry for the benefit of many. Hence, there is a need to compliment informations. . . . Respectfully, Rose Vilaruel tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> wrote: " ABSOLUTELY NO HEAT " was the term given by the Philippine Coconut Authority to the cold process that we are doing, to distinguish our VCO products from made from Cold Process from those who put in their labels " cold Pressed " . Anyway, ANH stands for " A No Heat " Process. rosella villaruel <cocongineer@...> wrote: Good day! I just would like to comment on this ANH or " absolutely no heat " process. For me who is a technical person, it sounds vague because I believe there is no such thing as absolutely no heat in this world. We would not survive as living individuals without heat. So why don't we specify the operating temperature instead, e.g., VCO production at average temperature of 26 deg. C and etc. and it would be a more precise information (objective enough) to the buyers because buyers or consumers of VCO like me would like VCO processed as cold as possible to retain the biologically active poly phenols, MCTs, and others that make it beneficial. What we want is be assured of that the VCO we consume is genuine and best in quality supposedly processed below 50 deg. C to be labelled as cold pressed. Thanks. . . . Lillian Bache <agreenchoice@...> wrote: Hi , I just signed in and saw your message. That is very impressive. I can just imagine how good that oil would be - a true virgin oil. Are you affiliated with any coconut production company or are you producing oil mainly for personal use? And, if you don't mind me asking, what would be the cost per litre and shelf life for a special oil like that? I think it would be too expensive for our customers, but if someone from our affiliation is in the Philippines this year, it would be a special little treat for us vco connoisseurs to try. Just so we know what the real " good stuff " is like. I am actually very impressed with all the producers I have become aware of through this forum. And we hope to follow up with them within the next few months. The ANH market segmentation strategy is absolutely brilliant, honest, simple but catchy. Thats what our customers want. Whoever coined it, is right on. I think this is just the beginning of what can be achieved through producers sharing info and working together. Tell me, what are the best varieties of coconut trees. I see you mentioned the Laguna Tall variety. I read somewhere that the hybrid trees actually have a slightly higher lauric acid content. Not that I think that is something to strive for in choosing an oil. One of the reasons I ask is that I saw a Philippine producer advertising that they definitely do not use any hybrid trees. However, they did not state why and I am curious. I believe they use alot of hybrids in Thailand. I don't know what they have in India. Mr. K. S. Rao did say that they have nice Mallabar coconut trees over there. Maybe he would tell us more about them. It would seem to me that the coconut oil would taste different depending on the variety of the coconut tree, where's its grown, how, etc. I am still perplexed on this Iodine Value thing as well. When I looked at Selina's site, I noticed that the IV was also in the 4 range. I have come across this in Indonesian oil too. Yet I thought the IV for coconut was 7.5 - 9 ? Why the low value? Does anybody know? Lil melly banagale <@...> wrote: Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Dear Rose, The term ANH was first brought up during one of those consultatuve meetings attended by scientists, practitioners, the academe and members from Government institutions, not by one person from PCA. The term did not also come from us personally but was suggested by a respected Scientist and was adapted by us and other Cold Processors because it explained very well the process that we are using. This matter has again been discussed repeatedly during workshops that have been undertaken by industry leaders as well as by the committee working for the amendment of the PNS. You maybe aware that there are already moves to amend the PNS because it has not been accepted by many sectors. Right now the term is being used, just to clearly position the COLD PROCESSED VCO from those processed by other methods especially the expelling process, whose processors use and insist in using the term COLD PRESSED for their product. Yes, we have received various reactions for the use of this term. However, ANH stays AS IS, until such time when there will be a final terminology for our process that will be adapted by the institutions or the industry in general. ANH stands for COLD PROCESS-A NO HEAT METHOD. In the meantime, we shall await... Tess Maam Tess, Maybe the term was given by somebody from PCA (not in official documents because I had not seen one) and probably before the Philippine VCO standards was finalized. There were several terminologies before which were meant to position their VCO products as best in quality like extra virgin, extra cold pressed, etc. Now that the PNS is here, maybe it will harmonize things here in the Philippines, but not of course in the international scene because the international standard is not yet there. I also argued with one of the PCA engineers regarding the term " absolutely no heat " that it should not be used because technically it is really inappropriate and misleading. We felt obliged to tell anyone about true and objective (measurable) terms so that I suggested to instead indicate the processing temperature, be it at room temperature, freezing, or whatever , inorder for the buyer to imagine /quantify how cold the process is and of course for him or her to decide which is best. We are /I am thankful for your contribution to the VCO development and I believe both of us feel the need to protect the industry for the benefit of many. Hence, there is a need to compliment informations. . . . Respectfully, Rose Vilaruel tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> wrote: " ABSOLUTELY NO HEAT " was the term given by the Philippine Coconut Authority to the cold process that we are doing, to distinguish our VCO products from made from Cold Process from those who put in their labels " cold Pressed " . Anyway, ANH stands for " A No Heat " Process. rosella villaruel <cocongineer@...> wrote: Good day! I just would like to comment on this ANH or " absolutely no heat " process. For me who is a technical person, it sounds vague because I believe there is no such thing as absolutely no heat in this world. We would not survive as living individuals without heat. So why don't we specify the operating temperature instead, e.g., VCO production at average temperature of 26 deg. C and etc. and it would be a more precise information (objective enough) to the buyers because buyers or consumers of VCO like me would like VCO processed as cold as possible to retain the biologically active poly phenols, MCTs, and others that make it beneficial. What we want is be assured of that the VCO we consume is genuine and best in quality supposedly processed below 50 deg. C to be labelled as cold pressed. Thanks. . . . Lillian Bache <agreenchoice@...> wrote: Hi , I just signed in and saw your message. That is very impressive. I can just imagine how good that oil would be - a true virgin oil. Are you affiliated with any coconut production company or are you producing oil mainly for personal use? And, if you don't mind me asking, what would be the cost per litre and shelf life for a special oil like that? I think it would be too expensive for our customers, but if someone from our affiliation is in the Philippines this year, it would be a special little treat for us vco connoisseurs to try. Just so we know what the real " good stuff " is like. I am actually very impressed with all the producers I have become aware of through this forum. And we hope to follow up with them within the next few months. The ANH market segmentation strategy is absolutely brilliant, honest, simple but catchy. Thats what our customers want. Whoever coined it, is right on. I think this is just the beginning of what can be achieved through producers sharing info and working together. Tell me, what are the best varieties of coconut trees. I see you mentioned the Laguna Tall variety. I read somewhere that the hybrid trees actually have a slightly higher lauric acid content. Not that I think that is something to strive for in choosing an oil. One of the reasons I ask is that I saw a Philippine producer advertising that they definitely do not use any hybrid trees. However, they did not state why and I am curious. I believe they use alot of hybrids in Thailand. I don't know what they have in India. Mr. K. S. Rao did say that they have nice Mallabar coconut trees over there. Maybe he would tell us more about them. It would seem to me that the coconut oil would taste different depending on the variety of the coconut tree, where's its grown, how, etc. I am still perplexed on this Iodine Value thing as well. When I looked at Selina's site, I noticed that the IV was also in the 4 range. I have come across this in Indonesian oil too. Yet I thought the IV for coconut was 7.5 - 9 ? Why the low value? Does anybody know? Lil melly banagale <@...> wrote: Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 For Maam Tess, Yes we wait. But can you give us your operating temperature? Thanks. . . Rose tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> wrote: Dear Rose, The term ANH was first brought up during one of those consultatuve meetings attended by scientists, practitioners, the academe and members from Government institutions, not by one person from PCA. The term did not also come from us personally but was suggested by a respected Scientist and was adapted by us and other Cold Processors because it explained very well the process that we are using. This matter has again been discussed repeatedly during workshops that have been undertaken by industry leaders as well as by the committee working for the amendment of the PNS. You maybe aware that there are already moves to amend the PNS because it has not been accepted by many sectors. Right now the term is being used, just to clearly position the COLD PROCESSED VCO from those processed by other methods especially the expelling process, whose processors use and insist in using the term COLD PRESSED for their product. Yes, we have received various reactions for the use of this term. However, ANH stays AS IS, until such time when there will be a final terminology for our process that will be adapted by the institutions or the industry in general. ANH stands for COLD PROCESS-A NO HEAT METHOD. In the meantime, we shall await... Tess Maam Tess, Maybe the term was given by somebody from PCA (not in official documents because I had not seen one) and probably before the Philippine VCO standards was finalized. There were several terminologies before which were meant to position their VCO products as best in quality like extra virgin, extra cold pressed, etc. Now that the PNS is here, maybe it will harmonize things here in the Philippines, but not of course in the international scene because the international standard is not yet there. I also argued with one of the PCA engineers regarding the term " absolutely no heat " that it should not be used because technically it is really inappropriate and misleading. We felt obliged to tell anyone about true and objective (measurable) terms so that I suggested to instead indicate the processing temperature, be it at room temperature, freezing, or whatever , inorder for the buyer to imagine /quantify how cold the process is and of course for him or her to decide which is best. We are /I am thankful for your contribution to the VCO development and I believe both of us feel the need to protect the industry for the benefit of many. Hence, there is a need to compliment informations. . . . Respectfully, Rose Vilaruel tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> wrote: " ABSOLUTELY NO HEAT " was the term given by the Philippine Coconut Authority to the cold process that we are doing, to distinguish our VCO products from made from Cold Process from those who put in their labels " cold Pressed " . Anyway, ANH stands for " A No Heat " Process. rosella villaruel <cocongineer@...> wrote: Good day! I just would like to comment on this ANH or " absolutely no heat " process. For me who is a technical person, it sounds vague because I believe there is no such thing as absolutely no heat in this world. We would not survive as living individuals without heat. So why don't we specify the operating temperature instead, e.g., VCO production at average temperature of 26 deg. C and etc. and it would be a more precise information (objective enough) to the buyers because buyers or consumers of VCO like me would like VCO processed as cold as possible to retain the biologically active poly phenols, MCTs, and others that make it beneficial. What we want is be assured of that the VCO we consume is genuine and best in quality supposedly processed below 50 deg. C to be labelled as cold pressed. Thanks. . . . Lillian Bache <agreenchoice@...> wrote: Hi , I just signed in and saw your message. That is very impressive. I can just imagine how good that oil would be - a true virgin oil. Are you affiliated with any coconut production company or are you producing oil mainly for personal use? And, if you don't mind me asking, what would be the cost per litre and shelf life for a special oil like that? I think it would be too expensive for our customers, but if someone from our affiliation is in the Philippines this year, it would be a special little treat for us vco connoisseurs to try. Just so we know what the real " good stuff " is like. I am actually very impressed with all the producers I have become aware of through this forum. And we hope to follow up with them within the next few months. The ANH market segmentation strategy is absolutely brilliant, honest, simple but catchy. Thats what our customers want. Whoever coined it, is right on. I think this is just the beginning of what can be achieved through producers sharing info and working together. Tell me, what are the best varieties of coconut trees. I see you mentioned the Laguna Tall variety. I read somewhere that the hybrid trees actually have a slightly higher lauric acid content. Not that I think that is something to strive for in choosing an oil. One of the reasons I ask is that I saw a Philippine producer advertising that they definitely do not use any hybrid trees. However, they did not state why and I am curious. I believe they use alot of hybrids in Thailand. I don't know what they have in India. Mr. K. S. Rao did say that they have nice Mallabar coconut trees over there. Maybe he would tell us more about them. It would seem to me that the coconut oil would taste different depending on the variety of the coconut tree, where's its grown, how, etc. I am still perplexed on this Iodine Value thing as well. When I looked at Selina's site, I noticed that the IV was also in the 4 range. I have come across this in Indonesian oil too. Yet I thought the IV for coconut was 7.5 - 9 ? Why the low value? Does anybody know? Lil melly banagale <@...> wrote: Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Hi Rose, There will be an Industry Wide consultation on Wednesday on the amendments of the National Standards of the various coconut products, such as VCO, Coco Juice, Nata de Coco, coconut coir. Tess rosella villaruel <cocongineer@...> wrote: For Maam Tess, Yes we wait. But can you give us your operating temperature? Thanks. . . Rose tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> wrote: Dear Rose, The term ANH was first brought up during one of those consultatuve meetings attended by scientists, practitioners, the academe and members from Government institutions, not by one person from PCA. The term did not also come from us personally but was suggested by a respected Scientist and was adapted by us and other Cold Processors because it explained very well the process that we are using. This matter has again been discussed repeatedly during workshops that have been undertaken by industry leaders as well as by the committee working for the amendment of the PNS. You maybe aware that there are already moves to amend the PNS because it has not been accepted by many sectors. Right now the term is being used, just to clearly position the COLD PROCESSED VCO from those processed by other methods especially the expelling process, whose processors use and insist in using the term COLD PRESSED for their product. Yes, we have received various reactions for the use of this term. However, ANH stays AS IS, until such time when there will be a final terminology for our process that will be adapted by the institutions or the industry in general. ANH stands for COLD PROCESS-A NO HEAT METHOD. In the meantime, we shall await... Tess Maam Tess, Maybe the term was given by somebody from PCA (not in official documents because I had not seen one) and probably before the Philippine VCO standards was finalized. There were several terminologies before which were meant to position their VCO products as best in quality like extra virgin, extra cold pressed, etc. Now that the PNS is here, maybe it will harmonize things here in the Philippines, but not of course in the international scene because the international standard is not yet there. I also argued with one of the PCA engineers regarding the term " absolutely no heat " that it should not be used because technically it is really inappropriate and misleading. We felt obliged to tell anyone about true and objective (measurable) terms so that I suggested to instead indicate the processing temperature, be it at room temperature, freezing, or whatever , inorder for the buyer to imagine /quantify how cold the process is and of course for him or her to decide which is best. We are /I am thankful for your contribution to the VCO development and I believe both of us feel the need to protect the industry for the benefit of many. Hence, there is a need to compliment informations. . . . Respectfully, Rose Vilaruel tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> wrote: " ABSOLUTELY NO HEAT " was the term given by the Philippine Coconut Authority to the cold process that we are doing, to distinguish our VCO products from made from Cold Process from those who put in their labels " cold Pressed " . Anyway, ANH stands for " A No Heat " Process. rosella villaruel <cocongineer@...> wrote: Good day! I just would like to comment on this ANH or " absolutely no heat " process. For me who is a technical person, it sounds vague because I believe there is no such thing as absolutely no heat in this world. We would not survive as living individuals without heat. So why don't we specify the operating temperature instead, e.g., VCO production at average temperature of 26 deg. C and etc. and it would be a more precise information (objective enough) to the buyers because buyers or consumers of VCO like me would like VCO processed as cold as possible to retain the biologically active poly phenols, MCTs, and others that make it beneficial. What we want is be assured of that the VCO we consume is genuine and best in quality supposedly processed below 50 deg. C to be labelled as cold pressed. Thanks. . . . Lillian Bache <agreenchoice@...> wrote: Hi , I just signed in and saw your message. That is very impressive. I can just imagine how good that oil would be - a true virgin oil. Are you affiliated with any coconut production company or are you producing oil mainly for personal use? And, if you don't mind me asking, what would be the cost per litre and shelf life for a special oil like that? I think it would be too expensive for our customers, but if someone from our affiliation is in the Philippines this year, it would be a special little treat for us vco connoisseurs to try. Just so we know what the real " good stuff " is like. I am actually very impressed with all the producers I have become aware of through this forum. And we hope to follow up with them within the next few months. The ANH market segmentation strategy is absolutely brilliant, honest, simple but catchy. Thats what our customers want. Whoever coined it, is right on. I think this is just the beginning of what can be achieved through producers sharing info and working together. Tell me, what are the best varieties of coconut trees. I see you mentioned the Laguna Tall variety. I read somewhere that the hybrid trees actually have a slightly higher lauric acid content. Not that I think that is something to strive for in choosing an oil. One of the reasons I ask is that I saw a Philippine producer advertising that they definitely do not use any hybrid trees. However, they did not state why and I am curious. I believe they use alot of hybrids in Thailand. I don't know what they have in India. Mr. K. S. Rao did say that they have nice Mallabar coconut trees over there. Maybe he would tell us more about them. It would seem to me that the coconut oil would taste different depending on the variety of the coconut tree, where's its grown, how, etc. I am still perplexed on this Iodine Value thing as well. When I looked at Selina's site, I noticed that the IV was also in the 4 range. I have come across this in Indonesian oil too. Yet I thought the IV for coconut was 7.5 - 9 ? Why the low value? Does anybody know? Lil melly banagale <@...> wrote: Lil A lot of manhours is used to make very good coconut oil. It would therefore be very expensive. The procedure my husband uses consumes 150 laguna tall coconut variety nuts and only get 1 to 2 liters. No coconut water added so that means lesser coconut milk but then lesser moisture too. It is indeed excellent oil. More for personal use coz it is too expensive to sell though some people do not mind the high price due to the quality of the oil. > 5. Re: Coconut Oil Production > From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...> > __________________________________________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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