Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 From: " Kathy L " since I had my gall bladder out my body cannot handle the bile any more and I have straight diarhea...... ==================================== If you’ve have your gall bladder out, high-quality fats - especially omega 3 fats from whole foods – are essential for good health, and if you don't have a gallbladder you will have an impaired ability to absorb them. Trying to digest fat without bile is like trying to wash greasy dishes without soap - it doesn’t work very well. If your gallbladder is removed then you need to compensate by providing an increased level of plant-based digestive enzymes to compensate for this. Unless you receive a gallbladder transplant, which is unlikely, then you’ll need to continue taking the enzymes for the rest of your life to ensure that fats can be absorbed and used by the body for their many important functions. Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Would you benefit from a more effective and healthy immune system? Organic, wholefood, supplements provide nutrients essential for the health of people, pets and plants. http://www.bluegreensolutions.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Problem is if I eat too many fruits or veggies I end up running anyways from too much fiber so I cannot sem to win. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryCiti Toy Dolls available on my websiteRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Minnick health Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 3:34 PM Subject: Gall bladder From: "Kathy L" since I had my gall bladder out my body cannot handle the bile any more and I have straight diarhea...... ==================================== If you’ve have your gall bladder out, high-quality fats - especially omega 3 fats from whole foods – are essential for good health, and if you don't have a gallbladder you will have an impaired ability to absorb them. Trying to digest fat without bile is like trying to wash greasy dishes without soap - it doesn’t work very well. If your gallbladder is removed then you need to compensate by providing an increased level of plant-based digestive enzymes to compensate for this. Unless you receive a gallbladder transplant, which is unlikely, then you’ll need to continue taking the enzymes for the rest of your life to ensure that fats can be absorbed and used by the body for their many important functions. Carol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Would you benefit from a more effective and healthy immune system? Organic, wholefood, supplements provide nutrients essential for the health of people, pets and plants. http://www.bluegreensolutions.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 The liver produces bile and other substances 24/7. Bile contains cholesterol, bile acids, and several bile pigments. (One of these bile pigments, bilirubin, is what gives feces a brownish color.) The gall bladder stores the bile that is produced by the liver until it is needed to emulsify lipids (fats) in the first part of the small intestine, the duodenum. Bile is not an enzyme. Bile is an emulsifier. Emulsifiers don't digest. As an emulsifier bile assists in breaking the lipids globules down into smaller particles thus creating more surface area so the enzymes FROM THE PANCREAS can digest those fats. Without bile most fats taken into the body can not be digested by enzymes. Enzymes are chemical catalysts for digesting foods. They speed the process up so it can be digested before leaving the body. Lipase is the name of the enzyme that digests lipids (fats) that is produced in the pancreas. Higher quality fats might assist one's health but without a gall bladder collecting bile from the liver and releasing it when needed, its a no brainer that the body isn't going to be able to handle large quantities of lipids in any form. Kathy, If I were in your situation I would go back to the MD with a " clear headed " witness and a tape recorder and ask that dr. why your body is reacting as violently as it is. If she can not suggest a nutritionist (whose advice I'd listen to as well but make up my own mind if she made any sense and if what she was suggesting could be extrapolated into my own lifestyle) at the very least she should refer you to books or a support group or something. If the dr. suggests a pharmaceutical, research that subject. Determine how that drug works and then make an educated choice whether you can do better from a natural source or not. Seeing an MD does not rob of the control of how you will heal yourself. If the MD has absolutely no reason why your body is reacting the way it is (Millions of people have had their gall bladders removed and the grand bulk of them don't suffer as you have been.), ask her what kind of tests would you have to take to determine what exactly is going on. Do you not have any bile? Do you not have enzymes? Do you have something much more serious? You don't have to follow the advice of your dr. but an exact diagnosis is vital if you're going to ask advice about how to get past your very negative health adventure. Penel > since I had my gall bladder out my body cannot handle the bile any > more and I have straight diarhea...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 I have actually done a lot of research on it and found out that over 50,000 people a year are diagnosed with the problem and many more go undiagnosed. It seems that it is more common than we know. He has done a bunch of tests and there is nothing else wrong. All the information that I have gathered says that it is just a byproduct of removing the gall bladder and tends to happen more often in people who already have a problem....IE: IBS which I have had since I was a baby and have tried numerous diet changes and medications over the years and nothing has made it any better. The medicine that I am taking now has been the only thing that has even close to normalizing my life. I can take it up to 3 times a day but opt to only take it once a day in order not to deprive myself of nutrition. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryCiti Toy Dolls available on my websiteRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: hyldemoer health Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Gall bladder The liver produces bile and other substances 24/7.Bile contains cholesterol, bile acids, and several bile pigments.(One of these bile pigments, bilirubin, is what gives feces a brownish color.)The gall bladder stores the bile that is produced by the liver untilit is needed to emulsify lipids (fats) in the first part of the small intestine, the duodenum. Bile is not an enzyme. Bile is an emulsifier. Emulsifiers don't digest. As an emulsifier bile assists in breaking the lipids globules downinto smaller particles thus creating more surface area so the enzymes FROM THE PANCREAS can digest those fats.Without bile most fats taken into the body can not be digested byenzymes.Enzymes are chemical catalysts for digesting foods.They speed the process up so it can be digested before leaving the body.Lipase is the name of the enzyme that digests lipids (fats) that isproduced in the pancreas. Higher quality fats might assist one's health but without a gallbladder collecting bile from the liver and releasing it when needed, its a no brainer that the body isn't going to be able to handle large quantities of lipids in any form.Kathy,If I were in your situation I would go back to the MD with a "clear headed" witness and a tape recorder and ask that dr. why your body is reacting as violently as it is.If she can not suggest a nutritionist (whose advice I'd listen to aswell but make up my own mind if she made any sense and if what she was suggesting could be extrapolated into my own lifestyle) at the very least she should refer you to books or asupport group or something.If the dr. suggests a pharmaceutical, research that subject.Determine how that drug works and then make an educated choice whether you can do better from a natural source or not.Seeing an MD does not rob of the control of how you will heal yourself. If the MD has absolutely no reason why your body is reacting the way it is (Millions of people have had their gall bladders removed and the grand bulk of them don't suffer as you have been.), ask her what kind of tests would you have to take to determine what exactly is going on.Do you not have any bile?Do you not have enzymes?Do you have something much more serious?You don't have to follow the advice of your dr. but an exactdiagnosis is vital if you're going to ask advice about how toget past your very negative health adventure.Penel> since I had my gall bladder out my body cannot handle the bile any> more and I have straight diarhea...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 <snip> > The medicine that I am taking now has been the only thing > that has even close to normalizing my life. I can take it up > to 3 times a day but opt to only take it once a day in order > not to deprive myself of nutrition. Kathy, If you've said what your pharmaceutical was, I missed it. If on a reduced dosage you have diarrhea, you're probably not getting much nutrients from the food you do eat anyway. Icky questions but they might give someone on list what's going on, is your diarrhea normal colored, greenish, pale, or bloody? Is it extremely smelly or is it more watery with bits of undigested food in it? Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Before the med....yellow and foamy. after the med.....normal most times. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryCiti Toy Dolls available on my websiteRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: hyldemoer health Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:08 PM Subject: Re: Gall bladder <snip>> The medicine that I am taking now has been the only thing > that has even close to normalizing my life. I can take it up > to 3 times a day but opt to only take it once a day in order > not to deprive myself of nutrition.Kathy,If you've said what your pharmaceutical was, I missed it.If on a reduced dosage you have diarrhea, you're probably not gettingmuch nutrients from the food you do eat anyway.Icky questions but they might give someone on list what's going on, is your diarrhea normal colored, greenish, pale, or bloody?Is it extremely smelly or is it more watery with bits of undigested food in it?Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 > Before the med....yellow and foamy. > after the med.....normal most times. If the medication can create that much difference, perhaps you can find something from a natural source to duplicate the effect. BUT, that would NOT be the most optimum way of addressing the adventure. That would only be sedating a symptom of an underlying problem. If you can find the etiology of whats going on, your problem will be solved. This logic holds true for all disease. Western science would like to have us believe that that's the ultimate goal of their methods. We all know from experience they fall short of their goal when it comes to chronic disease. My teachers of Asian medicine remind us students that treatment of the symptoms is the what most clients come in for however. Chinese med. calls that treating the " branch " . In Chinese med. the etiology of a disorder is thought of as the " root " . If one treats the branch without treating the root, the root issue will continue to be a problem and perhaps manifest it self with more physical phenomena. If it were me, I'd find an acupuncturist who has a good knowledge of herbal medicine. An acupuncturist who doesn't have that specific specialty might be just as effective but since herbalism is an interest of yours, having an acupuncturist who uses herbs to good depth in her practice would be better to incorporate your actions into your own healing (rather than as a passive spectator of the needles and moxa). In Chinese med. your adventure is an indication of " dampness " . It could be " damp heat " . It might be " damp cold " . Since there is no blood in the feces, there probably isn't a stagnation of that yin substance. That's not to say the adventure couldn't progress to that however. An acupuncturist would determine what is going on by checking your 12 wrist pulses and looking at your tongue. If you do decide to see one for a consultation, take notes. Everything an acupuncturist tells you can be researched as well. The important part of beating any health adventure is having an active part in correcting the balance back to health. Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 I have a problem I am agorophobic and rarely go out so getting help is a real problem.....money is also a big issue as most things are not covered under my disability. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryCiti Toy Dolls available on my websiteRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: hyldemoer health Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Gall bladder > Before the med....yellow and foamy.> after the med.....normal most times.If the medication can create that much difference, perhaps you canfind something from a natural source to duplicate the effect.BUT,that would NOT be the most optimum way of addressing the adventure.That would only be sedating a symptom of an underlying problem.If you can find the etiology of whats going on, your problem will besolved. This logic holds true for all disease. Western science would like to have us believe that that's theultimate goal of their methods. We all know from experience they fall short of their goal when it comes to chronic disease. My teachers of Asian medicine remind us students that treatment ofthe symptoms is the what most clients come in for however.Chinese med. calls that treating the "branch".In Chinese med. the etiology of a disorder is thought of as the"root". If one treats the branch without treating the root, the root issue will continue to be a problem and perhaps manifest it self with more physical phenomena.If it were me, I'd find an acupuncturist who has a good knowledge ofherbal medicine.An acupuncturist who doesn't have that specific specialty might bejust as effective but since herbalism is an interest of yours, having an acupuncturist who uses herbs to good depth in her practice would be better to incorporate your actions into your own healing (rather than as a passive spectator of the needles and moxa).In Chinese med. your adventure is an indication of "dampness". Itcould be "damp heat". It might be "damp cold". Since there is no blood in the feces, there probably isn't a stagnation of that yin substance. That's not to say the adventure couldn't progress to that however.An acupuncturist would determine what is going on by checking your 12wrist pulses and looking at your tongue. If you do decide to see one for a consultation, take notes.Everything an acupuncturist tells you can be researched as well. The important part of beating any health adventure is having anactive part in correcting the balance back to health.Penel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 > I have a problem I am agorophobic and rarely go out so > getting help is a real problem.....money is also a big > issue as most things are not covered under my disability. If you live in or near a big city, see if there is a school for Asian Medicine. You might try contacting them. They all run clinics for their advanced students to intern in. (Herbalism schools and bodywork schools do this also). The clinics are dirt cheap to get therapy at and you have the teachers watching over the whole process. Students can't charge money because of insurance issues. What you pay at the clinic is what it costs the school to run the clinic minus what the students pay in tuition to be in the clinic. If you're lucky, you might be able to get a student willing to make a house call. Students have to do case studies as homework. (This hold true for those bodywork students as well.) I imagine before you could do that someone from the school would have to see you at the clinic, but its worth a try if you can manage. Penel PS. Chinese med. would probably not see your agorophobia as separate from what was going on with your digestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Still a huge problem. We don't have any money to spare and usually have to borrow even for food. Hopefully the Canadian government will change this soon but for now I am out of luck. I have exactly $2.25 in my bank and the van just broke down and may be a write off. Kathy L.Angeldestiny's Dream NurseryCiti Toy Dolls available on my websiteRomanticsilk CraftsPlease cast your vote for my site on the Top 100www.romanticsilk.com ----- Original Message ----- From: hyldemoer health Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Gall bladder > I have a problem I am agorophobic and rarely go out so > getting help is a real problem.....money is also a big > issue as most things are not covered under my disability.If you live in or near a big city, see if there is a school for AsianMedicine. You might try contacting them. They all run clinicsfor their advanced students to intern in. (Herbalism schools and bodywork schools do this also).The clinics are dirt cheap to get therapy at and you have theteachers watching over the whole process. Students can't charge money because of insurance issues. What you pay at the clinic is what it costs the school to run the clinic minus what the students pay in tuition to be in the clinic.If you're lucky, you might be able to get a student willing to make ahouse call. Students have to do case studies as homework. (This hold true for those bodywork students as well.) I imagine before you could do that someone from the school would have to see you at the clinic, but its worth a try if you can manage.PenelPS. Chinese med. would probably not see your agorophobia as separatefrom what was going on with your digestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hi Lillian: Looks like the same story with all Gastro doctors. The moment they see " Multiple Stones " they only prescribe Surgery. Anyways pls don't jump on this soon. I was told the same. But looks like Milk Thistle and A-F Beta so far keeping me happy. Rajesh --- Lillian <springlilies2001@...> wrote: > I just got back from having my consultation with the > surgeon. Not a good conversation. He informed me > that if the gall bladder is producing stones it is > sick and should be removed. He didn't want to > listen as to whether or not the antibiotic I was > taking upset my liver. He didn't look at my > ultrasound he just read the report of multiple > stones. Ahhh it is frustrating. > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 --- Hi Lillian: I was spooked when I first heard the bad news. My surgeon said my gallbladder must come out. I said no. I have changed the way I eat. I stay away from anything that causes pain. It sounds like a lot of work, but I believe it is healthier to have an organ that shows me when I eat the wrong kind of food. Does that make any sense to you? I have found I eat healthier food, I sleep and drink and exercise in healthier ways. I chalk it up to being spooked into a better lifestyle or the alternative. But I would get it out if my symptoms got too bad. I don't know how bad your situation is. So, if you think it is better to go with the surgery, good luck. I'm sure you could find people who have had it and find out more information to prepare for life after the surgery. Good luck. Mike t.In gallstones , Sridevi Rajesh <raj_sri@...> wrote: > > Hi Lillian: > > Looks like the same story with all Gastro doctors. > The moment they see " Multiple Stones " they only > prescribe Surgery. > > Anyways pls don't jump on this soon. I was told the > same. But looks like Milk Thistle and A-F Beta so far > keeping me happy. > > Rajesh > > --- Lillian <springlilies2001@...> wrote: > > > I just got back from having my consultation with the > > surgeon. Not a good conversation. He informed me > > that if the gall bladder is producing stones it is > > sick and should be removed. He didn't want to > > listen as to whether or not the antibiotic I was > > taking upset my liver. He didn't look at my > > ultrasound he just read the report of multiple > > stones. Ahhh it is frustrating. > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > Mobile. Try it now. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Whew! Wow, it's time to find a different doctor. Don't let this one bully you into doing anything without your doing your own research and making up your own mind. It's your body. It's his business, financial business that is. Amber I just got back from having my consultation with the surgeon. Not a good conversation. He informed me that if the gall bladder is producing stones it is sick and should be removed. He didn't want to listen as to whether or not the antibiotic I was taking upset my liver. He didn't look at my ultrasound he just read the report of multiple stones. Ahhh it is frustrating. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 According to my tests, they say I have " innumerable " stones. I did 3 flushes and passed stones every day for a year and I'm still loaded with stones, according to another sonogram. I still have my GB. A-F Betafood and milk thistle with dandelion, changing my diet, have solved my problem. Amber Hi Lillian: Looks like the same story with all Gastro doctors. The moment they see " Multiple Stones " they only prescribe Surgery. Anyways pls don't jump on this soon. I was told the same. But looks like Milk Thistle and A-F Beta so far keeping me happy. Rajesh . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I don't now about her, but it makes a heck of a lot of sense to me. My Dr. said surgery, too. I refused and still have my GB. Amber --- Hi Lillian: I was spooked when I first heard the bad news. My surgeon said my gallbladder must come out. I said no. I have changed the way I eat. I stay away from anything that causes pain. It sounds like a lot of work, but I believe it is healthier to have an organ that shows me when I eat the wrong kind of food. Does that make any sense to you? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Thanks for the advice. This all started with an antibiotic I took. The burning started in my stomach area. A week later I was in the ER with back pains and they did a ultrasound which showed multiple gallstones. I think the meds messed up my flora but that is another story. I have changed my diet, see an acupunturist, and I have been trying herbs. I just wish I can find a doctor who is willing to work with me on diet and herbs. I know the easiest least complicated method in the surgeons and my primary care physicians mind is surgery but it is not in mine. Did you have any burning going on in your stomach area right near your chest? Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 ---Hi Lillian, it maybe a little early to analyze the cause of the gallstones, but it could help to read lots of information and to stay on a bland diet. My GP told me to stay off caffiene, citrus fruits, red meat, high cholesteral like boiled eggs, smoking, and sudden weight gain, too much sugar, or alcohol. And I found his advice very helpful. Easy does it, Mike t.In gallstones , " springlilies2001 " <springlilies2001@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the advice. This all started with an antibiotic I took. The > burning started in my stomach area. A week later I was in the ER with > back pains and they did a ultrasound which showed multiple gallstones. > I think the meds messed up my flora but that is another story. I have > changed my diet, see an acupunturist, and I have been trying herbs. I > just wish I can find a doctor who is willing to work with me on diet > and herbs. I know the easiest least complicated method in the surgeons > and my primary care physicians mind is surgery but it is not in mine. > Did you have any burning going on in your stomach area right near your > chest? > Lillian > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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