Re: RA - Treating joints - Now Fibromyalgia

[Guest guest]

A portion of FMS'rs report this as well.....how's you cal/mag intake?

.....also important to take extra magnesium.

Kit

> I also have restless leg syndrome that frives me nuts whenever I am

resting or in bed.

>

> mary

>

[Guest guest]

This could be for various reasons. Have you seen a doctor?

If not, you should get this checked out.

Do you know your blood pressure?

I think you should get that extra magnesium started. Mg competes with

Calcium in the body. Cal/mg proportions are 2:1.

Greens, nuts and seeds are a good source for mg but it looks like you

need diet supplement.

B-complex should be added as well.

Kit

> Thanks Kit

>

> I will try your suggestions. I am willing to do anything at this

point. Also my legs are very wobbly and I lose my balance easily, I

stagger too. I have trouble getting oriented after sitting or laying

down for a long time. I am walking with a cane now just to keep from

falling.

>

> mary

>

[Guest guest]

Thissal do believe you are adrenal depleted?

Soy products are generally used and of course lots of greens.

Nut and seeds, too.

BTW: low carb does not mean " high protein " . Unless your already low

on protein intake take care not to overconsume protein.

Soy products are a double-edged sword since they inhibit protein

assimilation and zinc and other minerals. Tthey should not be ones

only source of protein....nor eaten in large amounts in the diet....

this includes tofu and soy milk.

Do you eat fish?

The following sounds very scary but I don't think eating a limited

amount of soy is a problem. You can say radical scary things about

many foods but knowing how to eat a healthy balanced diet is the key.

BTW: Eating fermented soy products is not a problem and a healthy

practice....soy sauce, natto,miso, tempeh. (tofu is not fermented nor

is soy milk)

Introduction: Confused About Soy?

* High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of

calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not

neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting

and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems

in children.

* Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and

may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin

inhibitors caused stunted growth.

* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the

potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult

women.

* Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause

hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption

of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.

* Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually

increase the body's requirement for B12.

* Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.

* Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature

processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.

* Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic

lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.

* Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during

soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.

* Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the

nervous system and the kidneys.

http://www.roex.com/Articles/dangerofsoylinks.htm

There are three ways to get the benefits of soy products and avoid the

possible dangers of soy products:

1. Avoid non-organic, genetically-manipulated soy ingredients. See

the following web page for more information:

http://www.soyinfo.com/haz/gehaz.shtml.

2. Avoid heavily-processed soy ingredients such as soy protein

isolate, soy protein concentrate, hydrolyzed soy protein, texturized

soy protein. These ingredients are will not provide any significant

health benefits and may cause health problems as discussed above.

Instead use traditionally-processed soy products such as miso, tempeh,

tofu, natto, and soy milk.

3. Use soy products ocassionally. Eating miso soup several times

per week and having tempeh or tofu in a dish a couple of time per week

is fine. Use other legumes or lean meats to get the bulk of your protein.

http://www.soyinfo.com/dangers.shtml

Kit

>

> > I have FMS/CFS. I suggest that you try a week without carbs....

> FMS'rs

> > are, across the board, severely adrenal depleted.

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> What are some no-carb foods that don't include meat or diary?

[Guest guest]

> Thissal do believe you are adrenal depleted?

>

> Soy products are generally used and of course lots of greens.

>

> Nut and seeds, too.

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Adrenal depeted? Who knows Anyway, glad to know you consider

nut, seeds and greens to be no carbs, or at least very low carb.

I wonder about the list of soy problems you give -- I think a lot of

it refers to overly processed soy burgers, baca burgers, veggie

burgers, with added MSG, aka textured vegetable protein etc. Tofu

probably isn't that bad, eh?

There's also the soy cheese products that have casein added, which is

a protein causing a lot of problems in milk consumers. Geesh, why

bother making a non-dairy product and then add isolated dairy

proteins. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me???

[Guest guest]

I have high BP and am on meds for it.

I am taking mg but irregularly. I try to take one twice a day, MSM, B complex (50)

I see a rheumatologist for the fibro, but would like to use more natural remedies and less meds.

I see my PC on a regular basis and a neurologist for restless legs and headaches.

I think the more natural I can get the happier I will be.

mary

This could be for various reasons. Have you seen a doctor? If not, you should get this checked out. Do you know your blood pressure?I think you should get that extra magnesium started. Mg competes with Calcium in the body. Cal/mg proportions are 2:1. Greens, nuts and seeds are a good source for mg but it looks like you need diet supplement. B-complex should be added as well. Kit

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[Guest guest]

Try an organic coffee (limit one cup a day or less)..

or how about Rooibos Herbal Tea or

Root Coffee Ingredients 6 to 8 fresh dandelion roots 4 to 6 burdock roots 3 to 4 chicory roots 1 cinnamon stick (2 inches) 1/4 cup chopped dried licorice root 1 tablespoon ground dried ginseng root This coffee substitute can be brewed in the coffee maker, as you would regular coffee. You can use any or all of the roots listed in the recipe--blend them to your preference. Licorice has a sweet tasted, and dandelion and burdock have a nutty, earthy flavor. Chicory has a more coffelike bitter flavor, and cinnamon will add a sweet, spicy taste. Ginseng's musky flavor complements the others, and the herb adds more health benefits to the drink. If you cant final all the roots fresh, just buy them already dried at a health-food store. Caution: to be on the safe side, leave out the licorice if you have high blood pressure. Directions: Preheat the oven to

300 F. Scrub the dandelion, burdock, and chicory roots; finely chop in a food processor. Spread the chopped roots on a large ungreased baking sheet; roast for 45 minutes, stirring after 20 minutes, until golden brown. Reduce the oven temperature to 200 F; bake 1 hour or until thoroughly dry, stirring every 20 minutes. Allow to cool. Meanwhile, crush the cinnamon stick using a mortar and pestle, food processor, or blender. In a bowl, combine the roasted roots with cinnamon, licorice, and ginseng. Transfer to an airtight jar to store. The roots must be thoroughly dried before storing. TO BREW ROOT COFFEE: Right before brewing, grind small amounts at a time with a mortar and pestle, coffee grinder, or mini food processor. Use 1 tablespoon of ground roots to every 1 cup of water. Brew in a coffee maker as you would regular coffee. Reilly

<setlikeflint@...> wrote:

Caffeine and chocolate is hard for me but I am working on it. Most decaf coffee tastes like it. I would like to find an herbal tea that tastes like coffee.

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[Guest guest]

Super or complete tonic would do you good ... every day morning and nite.

How much MSM were you taking a day? Reilly <setlikeflint@...> wrote:

I have high BP and am on meds for it.

I am taking mg but irregularly. I try to take one twice a day, MSM, B complex (50)

I see a rheumatologist for the fibro, but would like to use more natural remedies and less meds.

I see my PC on a regular basis and a neurologist for restless legs and headaches.

I think the more natural I can get the happier I will be.

mary

This could be for various reasons. Have you seen a doctor? If not, you should get this checked out. Do you know your blood pressure?I think you should get that extra magnesium started. Mg competes with Calcium in the body. Cal/mg proportions are 2:1. Greens, nuts and seeds are a good source for mg but it looks like you need diet supplement. B-complex should be added as well. Kit

For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7

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[Guest guest]

I have to check the bottle. It is by KAL and says 2 a day. What is super or complete tonic? Is there a brand that can be purchased in a health food store?

Thx

mary

Super or complete tonic would do you good ... every day morning and nite.

How much MSM were you taking a day?

For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Reilly wrote:

> I don't like soy cheese - no flavor.

> I think the idea is to reduce carbs, the question is how much is the

right amount?

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It is dreadful tasting. I also doubt it has fewer carbs. I think the

idea was to get away from the problems with milk, and then they add a

major cuprit in milk -- casein. Still makes no sense.

[Guest guest]

In the files under Organic SupplementsComplete Organic Sulphur with Turmeric Tonic (AKA Complete Tonic)

One handful or about 1 cup or 8 ounces chopped organic raw onions

One handful or about 1 cup or 8 ounces chopped organic raw garlic

One handful or about 1 cup or 8 ounces chopped organic raw ginger

One handful or about 1 cup or 8 ounces chopped organic raw horseradish

One half handful or about 1/4 cup or 2 ounces of chopped organic raw habaneros

--or--

1/4 cup or 2 ounces more or less, depending on your tastes of powedered

cayenne (hottest you can get)

1/4 cup or 2 ounces of Tumeric powder

Put all ingredients into blender and add enough organic apple cider vinegar

to blend.(an inch or two over top of herbs) Pour all into a large glass jug and fill with as much ACV as you can. Best to use either 1 gallon or 4 liter glass bottles. Of course don't let

that stop you if you don't have these types of bottles. Cover and place in

your cupboard for two weeks.

Begin this process on the new moon and strain it on the full moon. After straining dehydrate the mash that is left over and powder it up. Makes a wonderful spice for you cooking or on raw foods. Also works really well for clearing out the sinuses.

Bottle the liquid and store in refrigerator and take as much as needed. Normal dose would be a teaspoonful three times per day with meals, before meals or after meals whichever suits you.

This formula will boost your immune system naturally and help to regulate

your circulatory system. It is also a tremendous source of organic sulphur and

one of the most best and most natural antibiotic you can find.

The addition of Turmeric makes this formula even more anti-inflammatory.

Turmeric is also an excellent free radical scanvenger, due to its antioxidant

properties. Turmeric is very good for arthritis, rheumatism, heart disease and ny other disease where free radical damage is apparent. It has even shown good

results in treating certain forms of cancer and in inhibiting the growth of

cancer cells.

Reilly <setlikeflint@...> wrote:

I have to check the bottle. It is by KAL and says 2 a day. What is super or complete tonic? Is there a brand that can be purchased in a health food store?

Thx

mary

Super or complete tonic would do you good ... every day morning and nite.

How much MSM were you taking a day?

For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7

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That's one of the reasons, as a meat eater at times

myself, I only eat organic, range fed, raw beef.

--- Reilly <setlikeflint@...> wrote:

>

>

> I am not a vegetarian. I just don't like meat - it

> is tough and hard to chew plus I am concerned about

> e-coli, hormone and antibiotic use.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Kit,

I've been away from my computer for several days and had over 900 emails to go through and have forgotten a bit of what I was asking. I was sick mowt ofthe weekend and out yesterday.

I am currently suffering from some short term memory problems which compound the problem.

From what I recall I need to cut out sugar and cqffeine but I don't recall what ele. I know I need to eat more raw foods and les cooked. Can you detail it a little more for me?

Thanks.

mary

I've also done nutritional and alt. health self-study for over 30years so it's just natural for me to find out everything I can aboutmy condition and go from there. I enjoy the learning. Just remember you don't have to give up the offending foods forever.I now can enjoy my little transgressions without much problem.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Not just sugar but carbs....caffeine, too, of course....don't give

up...even if it takes several attempts to get going...like it did me.

My best suggestion is to go to the files under Health Related Articles

and read the Adrenals section. It gives you the recovery pgm.

Hope you feel better,

Kit

> Thanks Kit,

>

> I've been away from my computer for several days and had over 900

emails to go through and have forgotten a bit of what I was asking. I

was sick mowt ofthe weekend and out yesterday.

>

> I am currently suffering from some short term memory problems which

compound the problem.

>

> From what I recall I need to cut out sugar and cqffeine but I don't

recall what ele. I know I need to eat more raw foods and les cooked.

Can you detail it a little more for me?

>

> Thanks.

> mary

>