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Melinda;

Though I can't offer a solution, I might be able to give you a little

insight into the problem your children are experiencing.

I have OCD, and have experienced this same sort of social phobic response

most of my life (I'm 34 now). I can only speak for myself here, but your

children may experience problems that are similar to what I discuss below.

When you have OCD, every little thing in the world takes on elements of

" danger " and " importance " . " Danger " in the sense that anything you can

possibly imagine being dangerous about an item triggers the fight or flight

response ( " I might accidentally poke myself in the eye with that straw " , " I

might drop my computer mouse and trip on it and then hit my head on the edge

of the table and then... " , etc.). " Importance " in the sense that all

actions, be they real or imagined, feel as if they're linked somehow, so

everything you do might possibly lead to one of the imagined dangers ( " I

thought about something bad, so something bad might happen " - sort of

sympathetic magical thinking).

These things result in a generalized feeling of responsibility for the bad

things in life and a feeling of being forced to pay attention to EVERY

LITTLE DETAIL in life. When you look at the door handle of your car, you

probably see it as just that - a way to open your car. You may notice if

it's scratched or damaged, but in all likelihood you don't have to expend a

lot of emotional energy each time you see it. To an OCD, though, that car

handle may also represent danger ( " What if a bird flew by and a speck of its

poo got on the underside of the handle and I touch it and get botulism... " )

and responsibility ( " ...and what if I somehow pass that botulism on to my

friend and he dies and then I'll be alone...). Those thoughts and feelings

can be very, very draining (trust me). The person with OCD may not believe

that any of the fears are " true " , but the thoughts and the fear responses

come anyway. Now imagine if almost every object, thing, creature, or

thought commanded an equal amount of attention - life becomes very, very

tiring very quickly. Many of us with OCD expend more emotional energy in

the time it takes to get out of bed and shower than most people expend

during an entire day.

When dealing with groups of people, the problems compound. Not only do you

have to worry about the other person as an object (like the door handle),

you also have to worry about the social interaction itself. Suddenly you

feel responsible for every word that comes out of your mouth, every feeling

the other person has, and everything that results from the interaction.

Everyone experiences a certain degree of this, but to an OCD it is

exaggerated to the nth degree. Two minutes of idle chit-chat to an OCD can

have the emotional drain equivalent of a normal person dealing with a

greeting line of 500 people at their wedding. In my case, I've always

craved the company of others, but find it very taxing. I've learned ways

around it over the years (34 years of practice), but still have my limits

(still way below the tolerance level of " normal " folks). During my teen

years I found socializing to be the most difficult part of my life, even

with people I knew and liked.

Your children will probably develop their own coping skills over time. I

know that it's difficult to see them going through this, but continued

support and reassurance will go a long way. Some medications may help, as

well, but I'm sure you already know all that. I think it's great that

you're actively working to help your kids with this!

-----

On a slightly unrelated note, here's an interesting exercise for any non-OCD

person to try in order to better understand what it " feels " like to have

OCD:

1) Get up out of your chair and walk to the car.

2) Look at every single item you pass. Count the number of brown ones.

3) If you pass a red object, walk 10 feet, turn around, and then go back and

touch it. Repeat 10 times.

4) Continue walking towards the car. If you hear anything squeak along the

way, go back inside, wash your hands, and start over. If the knob on the

sink squeaks when you turn it, wash them again.

5) When you get to the car, try to open the door handle without making skin

contact. Also make sure that your skin doesn't contact whatever you used to

get the door handle open. If you mess up, go inside and wash your hands.

Start over.

Try doing this once or twice, and then see how you feel by the time you're

actually sitting in the car. This feeling is a small taste of what a person

with OCD goes through every moment of their life. Being able to understand

this from firsthand experience will help a lot when trying to deal with all

the frustrations that come from living with an OCD (most of us know we're

difficult to live with *G*).

-

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<snip>

>My 18 and 14 year old both refuse to go to school or to

>even leave the house. They panic and run to their bedrooms

>if someone comes over to visit. Lately, my 14 year old son

>will not even speak to people on the phone, he just says he

>can't talk and hangs up. He will, however talk to people

>over the internet.

<snip>

>This is very disturbing behavior to me.

<snip>

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Hi,

I joined this week from South Africa and am looking forward to some great

recipes

My latest recipe which I have found incredible is a face mask which would help

with the dry skin that someone is experiencing and also manages to reverse some

sun damage that I have from growing up in a desert country, Namibia. A relative

also had excema and found this recipe really great for soothing and healing her

face:

1 cooked carrot- ( 1 medium one gently boiled until it is soft)

1 avocado

175ml fresh cream (the eating kind)

175 ml honey

Put the carrot through the food processor until it is as small as possible

add the avocado and process only long enough to mix.

Add the cream and again process only long enough to mix

Lastly add the honey and here I add enough to give it a glassy sort of look and

is quite runny but not watery.

I put this on daily for quite a while and my relative did the house work with it

on with no ill effects and it really helps with wrinkles, dryness, excema, and

sun damage spots. It makes quite a lot and I froze it successfully and the bit I

was using I kept in the fridge.

Good luck and please let me know how it works for you

Pam

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Good feedback on what happened in DC. I was anxious to hear what took

place. Sounds like the right people at least were informed. Lets see

what action transpires.

Bals

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,

Hi! I am from New Jersey. I have a 17 year old son with autism, seizure disorder, cognitive deficiencies, obsessive compulsive disorder and mood instability, along with sensory integration dysfunction and every thing that comes with that!!!!!!!!

My son has a 4 year history of self injurious behaviors. I am thankful that it has gotten better over the past year and I pray every day that we are out of the woods (although I realize, we are never out of the woods.)

I have been through it all (I should say that he has been through it all). Even though it has effected the entire family, it breaks my h eart to think what they are feeling, thinking and perceiving during their emotional outbursts.

If I can be of any help to you, anwering questions, sharing experiences and medications, etc. please feel free to post anytime. I know what you are going through as we spent approx 3-4 years preventing my son from splitting his head open. He was head banging so badly he had to get stitches on two occasions. He was banging his head on everything!!! cement, macadam, floors, tile, walls, furniture, bathtub, chandelliere, glass doors, etc. It was sooooooooo bad and sooooooo scary for u s all.

He has had several medication changes and has been in an ABA program now for the past three years and is making slow but steady progress. The one thing that helped was getting him out of any education programs where he had to follow a group schedule and be ready to change activities along with everyone else. He is now in a program where he has his own schedule, his own paraprofessional and it h as made his life so much more tolerable. No one has to wait for him and he does not have to wait for anyone else for the most part. I'm not 100% thrilled with the program (there is no perfect program) however, the individualized educational program that he has and everyone else should have is HIS AND ONLY HIS!!! Many of the behaviors develop out of pure frustration, confusion, agitation, feelings of inadequacy and guilt.

Please tell me more about your daughter, her age, level of communication and social ability, behaviors, type of class and educational placement, what she can do well and what she cannot do. I will offer my advice and experiences to you. I feel that is all that I can do to help. I know the Good Lord wants me to share everything that I have learned and that I will do. Have FAITH.

D from NJMarried with 2 sonsTommy 17 y.o. ADD , 16 Autism with Moderate Retardation, Seizure/Spike disorder, ADD, OCD, Bipolar-like cycling. Currently taking Topamax 300 mg; Seroquel 1300 mg; Celexa 40 mg.; Haldol 1.5 mg.; Lamictal 250 mg.

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Dr. Sev Magat,

Thanks for posting the information on the fatty acids

of vco. Now, i understand why they say that if the

lauric acid is high, it is not too good -- it causes

an imbalance on the other beneficial acids (which go

down a bit when lauric acid rises).

--- Coconut Oil wrote:

> There are 14 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Re: coconut oil for breakfast

> From: " inawarburg " <ina.warburg@...>

> 2. What is a ANHM or No Heat Method?

> From: " herbmom92 " <herbmom@...>

> 3. What is a " catch in the throat "

> From: " herbmom92 " <herbmom@...>

> 4. Re: What is ANH No Heat method.

> From: " Mel and the team "

> <cocovida_vco@...>

> 5. Re: What is ANH No Heat method.

> From: " Mel and the team "

> <cocovida_vco@...>

> 6. Re: What is a " catch in the throat "

> From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...>

> 7. Urmelli.....olive oil and weight gain? egg

> drink continued

> From: jeanne_simons@...

> 8. Re: Lauric Acid Content

> From: edmon solomon

> <solomon_em@...>

> 9. Re: Re: Lauric Acid Content

> From: Severino Magat

> <sev_magat@...>

> 10. Re: VCO in Indonesia

> From: ruli tobing <ruli_tobing@...>

> 11. Re: Re: VCO in Indonesia

> From: ruli tobing <ruli_tobing@...>

> 12. Re: VCO in Indonesia

> From: " Mel and the team "

> <cocovida_vco@...>

> 13. Re: What is a ANHM or No Heat Method?

> From: " Mark Conrad "

> <mconrad2@...>

> 14. Re: using for exzema, acne and moisturizer?

> From: Anne Forrester

> <anne2006forrester@...>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:18:28 -0000

> From: " inawarburg " <ina.warburg@...>

> Subject: Re: coconut oil for breakfast

>

> I eat 2 to 3 teaspoons per day. In adition I eat

> some fresh coconut

> almost every day. I eat a lot of other fats to. I'm

> a bit cautious

> because sometimes if I eat to much fat, espcialy

> nuts, I feel really

> thick. It might be different with VCO

> What do you mean by " Olive Oil will ad weight? " Do

> you think olive oil

> causes weight gain. I read everywere that Olive Oil

> is one of the

> good fats and will not cause weight gain

>

> cheers

> Urmelli

>

>

>

> >

> > Someone else on this list just uses coconut oil

> and no butter. If

> you mix coconut oil with another oil it stays

> liquid. Olive oil will

> add weight so maybe avocado. I am sure there will

> be some other

> opinons. I just start sipping on it. Some days I

> drink more at first

> and sometimes not. I start drinking it about 7:30.

> I am not a

> morning person. Very easy to digest.

> >

> > How much coconut oil are you up to right now? If

> you aren't taking

> in the 3 Tablespoon range you might not want to add

> that much right now.

> >

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 2

> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:12:04 -0000

> From: " herbmom92 " <herbmom@...>

> Subject: What is a ANHM or No Heat Method?

>

> I've heard of ANHM oils what does this mean? How do

> you know it's ANHM

> and what companies sell ANHM.

>

> Thanks

> Diane

>

>

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 3

> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:11:02 -0000

> From: " herbmom92 " <herbmom@...>

> Subject: What is a " catch in the throat "

>

> I've heard people say this about certain oils. So

> what is a " catch in

> the throat " and how should a good coconut oil taste?

>

>

> Thanks

> Diane

>

>

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 4

> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:13:05 -0000

> From: " Mel and the team "

> <cocovida_vco@...>

> Subject: Re: What is ANH No Heat method.

>

> Hi Diane,

>

> Virtually all the ANH producers have a brochure

> which they give away

> with each sale. I think the brochure gives a great

> explanation, in

> words I word struggle to better. So I will give you

> the definition

> from the brochure.

>

> Cold processed (ANH) virgin coconut oil, is oil

> obtained from the

> fresh , mature kernel of the coconut , by natural

> means.

>

> ABSOLUTELY NO HEAT is applied in the process. The

> COLD PROCESS (ANH)

> does not lead to the alteration of the oil's healthy

> composition,

> retaining all the VCO's short and medium chain fatty

> acids and

> tocopherol content. These are very important and

> helpful in fully

> attaining VCO's anti-viral, anti-fungal and

> anti-bacterial qualities.

> Cold processed (ANH) oil, is already suitable for

> human consumption

> in its natural state, without the need for further

> processing.

>

>

> I hope that answers your question Diane. In, short

> we try our best to

> produce the most natural oil. We honestly believe

> the most natural,

> least processed oil is the best. Others may

> disagree, and I have no

> problem with that. Every VCO producer will try and

> convince you their

> oil is the finest available.

>

> ANH oil is available through Mt. Mayon in the US, (

> there are probaly

> some other, I apologise for not knowing ), and our

> company, Cocovida,

> in the UK and Europe.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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Dear Mely,

Thanks for your appreciation of this likely recent thing about coconut oil.

Without some significant recent info-data generated in the Philippines, it is

not possible for us see the relationship of higher lauric acid (higher than the

normal 47-48%) and the other fatty acids (low chain and the monounsaturated and

polyunsaturated ones) tending to have lower levels. This is a natural behavior

of coconut as regards the fatty acid composition and contents (%).

Thus, it is clear and natural that lauric acid of coconut oil ranges 47 - 55

%, but most of the tall commercial varieties in the country averaged 47.5%. But

some varieties like the Tacunan Green Dwarf (first identified in Davao City in

1972 by the Philippine Coconut Research Institute, NSDB later merged with

PHILCOA and the DA-Coconut Coordinating Council in June 1973), normally or

naturally contains higher lauric acid ( 50 - 52 %). Morover, coconut hybrids as

that with Tacunan genes ( as female parental materials) usually possess lauric

contents higher lauric acids ( 52% or higher). And these hybrids to have a

normal tendency to have nuts with lower contents of unsaturated fatty acids of

each and higher low chain fatty acids (C6-C10) of the coconut oil.

Ok, I'm just reiterating this natural/biological properties of the coconut

palm.

Cheers, Sev Magat

melly banagale <@...> wrote:

Dr. Sev Magat,

Thanks for posting the information on the fatty acids

of vco. Now, i understand why they say that if the

lauric acid is high, it is not too good -- it causes

an imbalance on the other beneficial acids (which go

down a bit when lauric acid rises).

--- Coconut Oil wrote:

> There are 14 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Re: coconut oil for breakfast

> From: " inawarburg " <ina.warburg@...>

> 2. What is a ANHM or No Heat Method?

> From: " herbmom92 " <herbmom@...>

> 3. What is a " catch in the throat "

> From: " herbmom92 " <herbmom@...>

> 4. Re: What is ANH No Heat method.

> From: " Mel and the team "

> <cocovida_vco@...>

> 5. Re: What is ANH No Heat method.

> From: " Mel and the team "

> <cocovida_vco@...>

> 6. Re: What is a " catch in the throat "

> From: tess mamangun <vivi_1vco@...>

> 7. Urmelli.....olive oil and weight gain? egg

> drink continued

> From: jeanne_simons@...

> 8. Re: Lauric Acid Content

> From: edmon solomon

> <solomon_em@...>

> 9. Re: Re: Lauric Acid Content

> From: Severino Magat

> <sev_magat@...>

> 10. Re: VCO in Indonesia

> From: ruli tobing <ruli_tobing@...>

> 11. Re: Re: VCO in Indonesia

> From: ruli tobing <ruli_tobing@...>

> 12. Re: VCO in Indonesia

> From: " Mel and the team "

> <cocovida_vco@...>

> 13. Re: What is a ANHM or No Heat Method?

> From: " Mark Conrad "

> <mconrad2@...>

> 14. Re: using for exzema, acne and moisturizer?

> From: Anne Forrester

> <anne2006forrester@...>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:18:28 -0000

> From: " inawarburg " <ina.warburg@...>

> Subject: Re: coconut oil for breakfast

>

> I eat 2 to 3 teaspoons per day. In adition I eat

> some fresh coconut

> almost every day. I eat a lot of other fats to. I'm

> a bit cautious

> because sometimes if I eat to much fat, espcialy

> nuts, I feel really

> thick. It might be different with VCO

> What do you mean by " Olive Oil will ad weight? " Do

> you think olive oil

> causes weight gain. I read everywere that Olive Oil

> is one of the

> good fats and will not cause weight gain

>

> cheers

> Urmelli

>

>

>

> >

> > Someone else on this list just uses coconut oil

> and no butter. If

> you mix coconut oil with another oil it stays

> liquid. Olive oil will

> add weight so maybe avocado. I am sure there will

> be some other

> opinons. I just start sipping on it. Some days I

> drink more at first

> and sometimes not. I start drinking it about 7:30.

> I am not a

> morning person. Very easy to digest.

> >

> > How much coconut oil are you up to right now? If

> you aren't taking

> in the 3 Tablespoon range you might not want to add

> that much right now.

> >

> > >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 2

> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:12:04 -0000

> From: " herbmom92 " <herbmom@...>

> Subject: What is a ANHM or No Heat Method?

>

> I've heard of ANHM oils what does this mean? How do

> you know it's ANHM

> and what companies sell ANHM.

>

> Thanks

> Diane

>

>

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 3

> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:11:02 -0000

> From: " herbmom92 " <herbmom@...>

> Subject: What is a " catch in the throat "

>

> I've heard people say this about certain oils. So

> what is a " catch in

> the throat " and how should a good coconut oil taste?

>

>

> Thanks

> Diane

>

>

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

> Message: 4

> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:13:05 -0000

> From: " Mel and the team "

> <cocovida_vco@...>

> Subject: Re: What is ANH No Heat method.

>

> Hi Diane,

>

> Virtually all the ANH producers have a brochure

> which they give away

> with each sale. I think the brochure gives a great

> explanation, in

> words I word struggle to better. So I will give you

> the definition

> from the brochure.

>

> Cold processed (ANH) virgin coconut oil, is oil

> obtained from the

> fresh , mature kernel of the coconut , by natural

> means.

>

> ABSOLUTELY NO HEAT is applied in the process. The

> COLD PROCESS (ANH)

> does not lead to the alteration of the oil's healthy

> composition,

> retaining all the VCO's short and medium chain fatty

> acids and

> tocopherol content. These are very important and

> helpful in fully

> attaining VCO's anti-viral, anti-fungal and

> anti-bacterial qualities.

> Cold processed (ANH) oil, is already suitable for

> human consumption

> in its natural state, without the need for further

> processing.

>

>

> I hope that answers your question Diane. In, short

> we try our best to

> produce the most natural oil. We honestly believe

> the most natural,

> least processed oil is the best. Others may

> disagree, and I have no

> problem with that. Every VCO producer will try and

> convince you their

> oil is the finest available.

>

> ANH oil is available through Mt. Mayon in the US, (

> there are probaly

> some other, I apologise for not knowing ), and our

> company, Cocovida,

> in the UK and Europe.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

>

>

________________________________________________________________________

>

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infantile scoliosis treatment wrote: There are 5 messages in this

issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Re: hey Deshea/bracing

From: Viveiros

2. Update on Jessie, finally.

From: " Jaqzy "

3. Re: Re: hey Deshea/bracing

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4. Re: Re: hey Deshea/bracing

From: bert lehane

5. Re: Update on Jessie, finally.

From: " Claflin "

Hi all,

I'm Nadia's mom (she is now 17 months old in her first cast). I don't chime

in too often, but just wanted to relay our experience of bracing, since the

topic came up, in case it may allay some concerns. Nadia was in a Kalabas brace

before casting and her rib hump DID improve with the brace, so in our case it

was possible, but I know that every situation is different. Hope that is a

little reassuring for those moving on to bracing post casting.

Best, Abigail

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