Re: Colic-Flush....NOT!!!

[Guest guest]

>Last night I tried the 'colic-flush' theory.

>Flushing while having an attack. Whereas it

>may work for someone, it didn't for me. It was a

>living hell that ended up in ER at 4am in the

>morning. Never again for this flusher.

Barry - sorry to hear how this went. Sounds like

a really stubborn stone and you sound like you've

tried it all. Must be something to be said for

all the other stuff you've gotten out of you,

though. Do you find that you can eat things

that stimulate the gall bladder during the earlier

part of the day, when you will not be lying down,

and you are okay? (Maybe minimal symptoms?) When

mine is bad I don't eat things that will stimulate

it for dinner, but will at breakfast and lunch,

and make sure I take lecithin, etc. Of course,

before flushing this time it was so bad that

everything was bothering it no matter what time

of day. Last night for dinner (night after the

flush) I had spagghetti, and in a few hours

dumped some more small stones and chaf, had

the usual tightening, bit of nausea, sweat,

etc., but shortlived...and can feel the stuff

moving through the duct, as soon as I feel that

feeling of " stuff " moving through, the symptoms

let up. I was passing stuff all day after the

flush yesterday,so perhaps I need to do another round.

This morning I had an egg and toast, so far, so

good. I need to get to the chiropractor for an

adjustment, really need to keep the back in line

so the nerves that trigger the gall bladder to

function are doing their job right as well. I'll do

that early next week when things have settled

down a bit, which I trust they will. Just a little

tender now under the right rib cage along the

side, don't know if that means I need to do more

work or that it is a result of all the work I've

done, but time will tell.

God bless,

claudia

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

barry91162@... writes:

> Last night I tried the 'colic-flush' theory. Flushing while having an

> attack. Whereas it may work for someone, it didn't for me. It was a

> living hell that ended up in ER at 4am in the morning. Never again

> for this flusher.

>

Barry

I'm away this weekend and just downloaded my email (of which there is TONS)

and most will have to wait until I get home. I read this one, though, and

felt compelled to make at least this brief note.

I think it's important to keep in mind that the other flusher (me) is in a

VERY different situation than you are. You've been in the ER countless times

for your pain, I've been there once (and didn't actually see a doctor because

the pain went away on it's own while I waited). Your attacks happen 2-3

times a week, if I recall correctly, and mine once a month. Yours last for

hours, mine for less than 30 minutes usually. While it's difficult to compare

pain (since we can't exactly know what another person is feeling), from your

descriptions I get the impression that your pain is far more intense, just by

virtue of the fact that you take antispasmodics and have seen the inside of

the ER so many times.

The reason I bring up these comparisons is because I think it's important for

anyone who reads what someone else does, to take a serious look at their own

body and their own experience and their own condition before making a choice

to try what another person has done. I know that you went into that

open-minded and fully expecting a " Dusan's Grandmother " experience, but I

write this note for the sake of anyone else out there who might consider

trying it.

I don't want anyone else to suffer because they've read of my experience and

tried something I did. And yet I do want to feel free to share my

experiences without worrying about someone ending up in misery because they

thought they might try what I did.

Remember, everyone, my 'condition' has always been QUITE mild in comparison

to most people's out here. I have a little more freedom to experiment and

just don't want injury caused to anyone else because of anything I've shared.

Barry - I'm so sorry that this experience was so awful for you, and yet I

know you've wanted to do it (even before I did it, I think!) and so I'm just

glad you got through it.

now - don't ever scare me like that again!

in health,

rachel~

" Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right " - Henry Ford

[Guest guest]

,

My body seems to respond a lot like yours and many people who have

written in this group. I can eat anything for breakfast and lunch

without pain or tightening. At dinner or after dinner eating is when

the pain will come. The way I've figured it is that my bowel

movements are always once a day in the morning. The food builds up

throughout the day and at night the gb works harder to squirt bile

down into the intestinal tract. It may be trying to process all the

food of the day or maybe just the last food in.

Also, I had the same experience as you about the sludge, sandy gunk,

small globs (stones) coming out after my first 3 flushes. The day or

two after eating would create a sort of mini-flush I call it, that

would eliminate even more stuff as the oil was still in my body to

assist the lubriacating action. After one week, or before, once the

oil tracks through your body, this will normally stop.

After the 3rd flush I was pretty much cleaned out of liver sludge and

gb/duct gunk. Now, the only thing that is still causing colic

attacks, tightening, etc is the original problem, the one cm hard

stone in my gb that still shows up on ultrasound. Whereas it is great

to clean my liver and gb of sludge, the main goal for flushing for me

was to rid myself of this 'problem' stone. So, I'm still at base one

with the problem. In fact, with the cleaner dieting, and the cleaner

liver, my attacks are more frequent because my system is more clean.

I can't eat foods that I could tolerate before. Spaghetti would never

bother me before, now I can't eat it because the stone jumps right to

the mouth of the gb and causes tightening.

Anyway, thanks for your best wishes and God bless you as well. I hope

you find the way to better health and happiness too.

Barry.

--- In gallstones@y..., " L. Meydrech " <claudiameydrech@c...>

wrote:

> >Last night I tried the 'colic-flush' theory.

> >Flushing while having an attack. Whereas it

> >may work for someone, it didn't for me. It was a

> >living hell that ended up in ER at 4am in the

> >morning. Never again for this flusher.

>

> Barry - sorry to hear how this went. Sounds like

> a really stubborn stone and you sound like you've

> tried it all. Must be something to be said for

> all the other stuff you've gotten out of you,

> though. Do you find that you can eat things

> that stimulate the gall bladder during the earlier

> part of the day, when you will not be lying down,

> and you are okay? (Maybe minimal symptoms?) When

> mine is bad I don't eat things that will stimulate

> it for dinner, but will at breakfast and lunch,

> and make sure I take lecithin, etc. Of course,

> before flushing this time it was so bad that

> everything was bothering it no matter what time

> of day. Last night for dinner (night after the

> flush) I had spagghetti, and in a few hours

> dumped some more small stones and chaf, had

> the usual tightening, bit of nausea, sweat,

> etc., but shortlived...and can feel the stuff

> moving through the duct, as soon as I feel that

> feeling of " stuff " moving through, the symptoms

> let up. I was passing stuff all day after the

> flush yesterday,so perhaps I need to do another round.

> This morning I had an egg and toast, so far, so

> good. I need to get to the chiropractor for an

> adjustment, really need to keep the back in line

> so the nerves that trigger the gall bladder to

> function are doing their job right as well. I'll do

> that early next week when things have settled

> down a bit, which I trust they will. Just a little

> tender now under the right rib cage along the

> side, don't know if that means I need to do more

> work or that it is a result of all the work I've

> done, but time will tell.

>

> God bless,

> claudia

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

> http://nutritionist.tripod.com

> " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, I was thinking about doing something like the colic-flush for a

long time before we discussed it. You are in no way responsible for

anything that someone else tries that you have done. After doing 8

cleanses and still having this 'little' 1cm hard-er stone floating in

my gb, I decided to try new attempts to eliminate it.

Actually it is a great idea. When the stone is in the right position

(during a colic attack, the stone is blocking the mouth of the gb) is

the most logical time to help push it out with a flush. It may work

great for some people in here who are flushing dozens of times and

wants to finally make an attempt to get rid of a stubborn stone.

The personal factors of the individuals body will make the difference

but you will never know unless you try. You have to be 'tired' of the

pain, and somewhat 'brave' to drink oil while in the midst of an

attack because the gb could very well blow up like a balloon and pop.

Who knows. Very dangerous thing to attempt.

Back to the factors of the individual body. Some things to consider

about whether it will be a success or not are really things that you

can not really know about anyway. Cystic duct size, gb mouth size,

the ability for your cystic duct to flex, the size of your hard,

stubborn stone, the condition of your gb, etc, etc.

I was trying to push a 1cm stone through a 4mm cystic duct. Seems

like an easy enough task but for some reason that stone was not going

to move into the cystic duct. The gb pressure was the strongest I've

ever had because the pain building up in the gb was the worse I've

ever experienced in my life. That was the 'closest' I feel that I

have come to actually having success with flushing the colic stone

out. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

I would only recommend this 'great idea' to someone who is sick of

their stone causing pain, have flushed dozens of times to try the

easy way of getting it out, and just want to be rid of it. It may

very well work for some people. For me it didn't, but it doesn't mean

that it couldn't work for someone else.

Sorry for the scare. :-)

Be Healthy and Be Happy.

Barry.

> barry91162@y... writes:

> > Last night I tried the 'colic-flush' theory. Flushing while

having an

> > attack. Whereas it may work for someone, it didn't for me. It was

a

> > living hell that ended up in ER at 4am in the morning. Never

again

> > for this flusher.

> >

>

> Barry

> I'm away this weekend and just downloaded my email (of which there

is TONS)

> and most will have to wait until I get home. I read this one,

though, and

> felt compelled to make at least this brief note.

>

> I think it's important to keep in mind that the other flusher (me)

is in a

> VERY different situation than you are. You've been in the ER

countless times

> for your pain, I've been there once (and didn't actually see a

doctor because

> the pain went away on it's own while I waited). Your attacks

happen 2-3

> times a week, if I recall correctly, and mine once a month. Yours

last for

> hours, mine for less than 30 minutes usually. While it's difficult

to compare

> pain (since we can't exactly know what another person is feeling),

from your

> descriptions I get the impression that your pain is far more

intense, just by

> virtue of the fact that you take antispasmodics and have seen the

inside of

> the ER so many times.

>

> The reason I bring up these comparisons is because I think it's

important for

> anyone who reads what someone else does, to take a serious look at

their own

> body and their own experience and their own condition before making

a choice

> to try what another person has done. I know that you went into

that

> open-minded and fully expecting a " Dusan's Grandmother " experience,

but I

> write this note for the sake of anyone else out there who might

consider

> trying it.

>

> I don't want anyone else to suffer because they've read of my

experience and

> tried something I did. And yet I do want to feel free to share my

> experiences without worrying about someone ending up in misery

because they

> thought they might try what I did.

>

> Remember, everyone, my 'condition' has always been QUITE mild in

comparison

> to most people's out here. I have a little more freedom to

experiment and

> just don't want injury caused to anyone else because of anything

I've shared.

>

> Barry - I'm so sorry that this experience was so awful for you, and

yet I

> know you've wanted to do it (even before I did it, I think!) and so

I'm just

> glad you got through it.

>

> now - don't ever scare me like that again!

>

> in health,

> rachel~

> " Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right " -

Henry Ford

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