Re: FAQ: Why doesn't my doctor wants to talk about liver cleanse?

[Guest guest]

my doctor was the same way he told me any type if bowel or

organ cleansing is not effective and it would not benefit me

-- In cures for AIDS@y..., Agnes <agnes@c...> wrote:

>

>

> FAQ

>

> People often ask Why?

>

> Why doesn't my doctor wants to talk about liver cleanse, about

alternatives?

> Doesn't he knows something about liver cleanse?

> If it really works, wouldn't my doctor be the first one to know

about liver

> cleanse?

>

> Answer:

>

> This is what happens to doctors who cure their patients.

> http://askwaltstollmd.com/license.html

>

> Liver cleanse is one of the things Walt Stoll suggests.

>

> ===================

> Why My License Was Revoked

>

> by Walt Stoll, MD askwaltstollmd.com

>

> http://askwaltstollmd.com/license.html

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

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> ----

>

>

> This is such a typical example of how Medical Licensing Boards

harass

> physicians who offer their patients alternatives to the Allopathic

> Monopoly, I thought I would enter the below for your consideration:

>

> Why Was I Attacked?

>

> The reason I had been targeted was not personal. I have been urging

> electronic highway participants to understand what is going on with

the

> Allopathic Monopoly's crusade against anything they see as

competition to

> their ascendancy for the past 5 years.

>

> The AMA policy, throughout the country, is to attack any licensed

physician

> who becomes successful in the public eye for offering any

alternatives to

> strictly conventional medicine. However, in recent years, they have

learned

> to attack the physician for trivial complaints not related to their

> practice of alternatives. That way, the physician must not only

defend

> against the trivial complaint but prove that s/he is being targeted

because

> of the practice of alternatives. This greatly increases the cost of

each

> court appearance and time needed to prepare. Since the purpose is

only to

> wear down the physician until they are no longer able to resist,

this new

> wrinkle has been most helpful to the AMA's goal of eliminating these

> advanced physicians from competition.

>

> When I first learned how much more I was helping my patients, by

offering

> them some of these alternatives, I naively went directly to the

local

> medical society and talked to the program director about getting on

the

> program to try to share what I had learned. Since " a prophet is

rarely

> welcome in his/her own land " , I gave him a list of nationally known

experts

> (with a great track record of communicating these concepts) that

they could

> bring in to speak. They, of course contacted the AMA for

information about

> these physicians and were told that they were on the alternative

medical

> " hit list " for attack by the AMA already. Of course, that was the

end of my

> trying to share with my colleagues. From that time on, I started

hearing,

> from many sources, that " Dr Stoll was a Quack " . I later learned

that this

> was the word given out to the organized physicians in KY to tell

anyone who

> would listen.

>

> Since I was barred from sharing with my " colleagues " , I felt my

only option

> was to go to the public. After all, they were the ones who would

profit

> from the information. Of course, this REALLY made the KMLB mad. I

was, in

> essence, " going over their heads " to get to the patients.

>

> I had a regular radio program (5 minute spots, 3 times a week) on

National

> Public Radio at the local University of Kentucky station, for

several

> years. Ultimately, the manager of the station was ordered to take

me off.

> He refused, since the conventional physicians already had 4 times

as many

> spots and he believed that the information was valid.

Unfortunately, he was

> within less than a year of retirement (after 30 years of running the

> station) and they threatened his pension. They said if he wouldn't

take me

> off, they would demote him to an errand boy and his retirement

would be

> based on that salary rather than what he had earned. He called me

into his

> office and, in tears, told me what they had done. He said that, at

first,

> they had just told him that the medical school would withdraw all

of its

> financial support from the station if he did not take me off. When

that had

> no effect, they threatened his pension. He felt he had no recourse

but to

> take me off. He did volunteer to testify at any hearing about this

illegal

> activity but only after his pension was secured and he had retired.

He is

> still available to do that.

>

> In the meantime, I had been giving a regular course (16

hours/semester) at

> Transylvania University, in Lexington, KY titled Stress Management

Through

> Wellness. This course became the most successful evening course

given at

> Transylvania during the several years I gave it (each semester and

summer

> session).

>

>

>

> I spent at least 8 years giving presentations to local, and

national, lay

> and professional organizations about combining alternatives with

> conventional medicine. I was featured in articles about this in the

New

> York Times, Newsweek and many syndicated newspaper articles. I once

went

> back and looked at my schedule, during those years, and couldn't

imagine

> how I had kept it up. In addition to keeping a full schedule of

patients, I

> coordinated the many other professionals at my centre AND spent at

least 4

> nights a week, and every weekend, giving (or taking) a conference

> somewhere. I was so enthusiastic at seeing the benefits for my

patients, as

> well as my own personal health ( " Physician Heal Thyself " ), that I

had

> boundless energy.

>

> The centre grew to the point where we had a gross of over

$800,000.00 per

> year (I took home $50,000 and poured any more profits back into

education

> and patient services). At that time I had a team of professionals,

all

> working together to offer the most appropriate option for each

particular

> patient: Chiropractic, Homeopathy, Nutritional Medicine, Chinese

Medicine,

> Chaplain with Masters degree in counseling, Biofeedback instructor,

> Reflexologist, Aroma Therapist, Applied Kinesiologist, therapeutic

massage,

> Holistic Dentist, etc. All in all we could offer evaluation and

treatment

> in 15 different healing philosophies. My job was to integrate all

of these

> approaches AND to provide the Allopathic Medicine techniques which

still

> are the best approach for some conditions.

>

> The average Family Practitioner has a net of 50% of the gross. We

had less

> than 10%. This was not because of bad management, however, it was

because

> one of the built in problems (from the physician's financial

viewpoint) of

> the holistic medical approach to these chronic health problems:

Most of the

> cost is up front while figuring out the causes of the problems AND

teaching

> the patient how to deal with them. Within 6-12 months, the patient

doesn't

> need the Holistic Medical Practitioner any more for those problems.

They

> are much less likely to need more help in the future since the same

things

> that helped them with those chronic problems always help prevent

others.

> There is NO WAY that a practitioner of this approach can make as

much money

> as those who only treat symptoms and run tests. The real money is

in seeing

> many patients for a short period of time each. Once a patient is

> " established " that is exactly what happens---as anyone reading this

will

> attest.

>

> When I practiced conventional medicine, I had to stop taking new

patients

> within 6 months of opening my practice--I was too busy. When I

practiced

> effective holistic medicine, I saw an average of 2.5 new patients

every day

> (4 days a week). The only way I could stay in practice was to keep

seeing

> new patients because THEY KEPT GETTING WELL!

>

> The " Black Propaganda " by the medical profession in KY was able

to " dry up "

> that source and over a few years the gross dropped below $100,000.

My old

> patients DID keep coming back to me since we had proven, by

results, that

> we were NOT " Quacks " . Since the ones who had followed our

recommendations

> were basically healthy, they didn't need us very much and so they

did not

> make up enough patient flow to keep us in business.

>

> However, those who had never seen us couldn't believe " Organized

Medicine "

> would not tell the public the truth---- therefore Dr Stoll MUST be a

> " Quack " preying on the public.

>

> I have had several of my true " peers " lose their licenses simply

because

> they had written excellent books about all this. If we were

successful, we

> became targets. In spite of this, I decided to write my book

anyhow. As it

> turned out, 18 months after leaving practice and the state to write

my

> book, the licensing board got up their courage to revoke my license.

> Because of that action I had nothing to lose by publishing.

>

> The Excuse the Kentucky Medical Licensing Board Finally Used to

Revoke My

> License

>

> About 5 years before this action, a woman from New York State

called my

> office for help. By that time the harassment by the licensing board

(KMLB)

> had been going on for 10 years and I had had to close my big

> Multidisciplinary Centre in Lexington. From a staff of 15+, I was

down to

> practicing out of my home with no staff. As a consequence, all

phone calls

> were answered by machine and I called people back when I was no

longer

> seeing patients. This explanation is to let you know that all

return calls

> were on my dime. The importance of that datum will be obvious

later.

>

> She had heard that I was having a lot of success with patients the

> Allopathic Monopoly had been unable to help. By then, I was getting

> patients from all over the continent, the Caribbean and as far away

as

> China. She had been to see at least 10 different physicians, for

the same

> long list of problems, over the past 15 years. No one had been able

to help

> her and the current recommendation by her last physician was that

she seek

> psychiatric help: " If the doctor can't figure it out, it MUST be the

> patient's fault! "

>

> The first time I called her back, we spent about an hour on the

phone.

> Mainly, this was her listing her many symptoms in great detail. I

told her

> that I couldn't really help her unless she got all of her old

records and

> came to see me in KY. Over the next few months, she called me many

times,

> each return call meant 15 to 30 minutes on the phone. Since she

felt that

> she had already spent all her money seeing all those other

physicians, she

> didn't want to come to KY. Although I told her I could give her the

names

> of physicians in NY who probably could help her as well as I could,

she

> still wanted to call me. My policy had always been to try to get

people to

> a physician close to them so they could spend their resources

solving their

> problem rather than on transportation.

>

> Finally, since I had recommended to her many of the resources I

have shared

> on my website and in my book, over the past year, she became

convinced that

> she had Candida-Related Syndrome and wanted me to authorize a

competent

> laboratory to do a stool test for Candida. At the time the best lab

for

> making that diagnosis, in this country, was in Arizona. It was also

the

> best lab, by far, for diagnosing parasites of all kinds (of course,

Candida

> is just another parasite). I called the director of the lab and

discussed

> her case with him. He agreed to send her a stool test kit with

> instructions. She paid him directly for all his services.

>

> He sent the report back to me since I was the one who had ordered

> it--standard procedure for all laboratories in the country. She had

4

> (four) major parasites--including Candida. I called him again and

discussed

> his findings over the phone. At that time, he was making

photomicrographs

> of all parasites found in any specimen so there could be no doubt

of any

> diagnoses: he may have missed some but he could not invent a

picture of

> something that was not there.

>

> I had told the New York person that there was only one lab in this

country

> I would send such a specimen to since the Center for Disease

Control, in

> Atlanta, had agreed with several studies showing that local

laboratories

> only found one in 50 of the parasites that were actually present in

a

> specimen--as compared with expert specialty labs like this one. I

had

> investigated several such labs and knew this one to be the best.

>

> I then made a copy of her test results along with everything about

the each

> parasite and its diagnosis, symptoms and treatment, from on's

> Textbook of Internal Medicine (the standard textbook for medical

schools in

> this country). ALL of her symptoms were explained by the findings

of this lab!

>

> I sent all that information to her along with the names, addresses,

and

> phone numbers, of several physicians in New York who would know how

to

> interpret the lab reports as well as what to do about them. Since

she had

> never obtained any of her medical records to show me, I advised her

that

> she would need them to avoid having to repeat all that had already

been

> done in the past.

>

>

>

> When I had not heard from her in a couple of months (VERY unusual

by that

> time), I added up the actual cost of my phone charges, copying

costs and

> postage and sent her a bill for about $62. I made no allowance for

any of

> the time I had spent since I had never actually seen her.

>

> Her response was a very indignant letter saying she would NEVER pay

me that

> bill because: she had taken all that I had sent her to the last

physician

> she had seen--the one who had had no idea what was causing her

symptoms and

> had recommended a psychiatrist. He scoffed at the possibility that

she

> could have parasites as a cause of her many symptoms (in spite of

the fact

> that those same symptoms were clearly described in the reprints

from the

> same text he probably had in medical school) although

photomicrographs of

> her actual parasites were attached to the reports.

>

> He had no idea of what WAS causing her symptoms but he KNEW that it

> couldn't be parasites! Rather than check with the lab in AZ, he sent

> another specimen to the (CDC certified INCOMPETENT to diagnose

parasites)

> local lab which, of course, found nothing.

>

> I wrote back that I thought she was foolish to not even look into

whether

> treating what had been found would get rid of her symptoms after

she had

> spent so many years looking. I also told her that I thought the

physician

> she had taken the results to was as incompetent to help her in this

area as

> the lab he used was incompetent to make these diagnoses. Finally, I

told

> her if she chose to continue only her allopathic approaches, in the

light

> of the certified lab results, that she " deserved what she got " . I

even told

> her that she would be wise to keep a file of all the information

so, when

> she had suffered for a few more years with her symptoms, she could

call one

> of the local physicians I had recommended and get well.

>

> Her response to THAT was to make an " official complaint " to the

KMLB that I

> was a " Quack " . Later, when she realized that the KMLB was going to

take

> this seriously, she refused to testify at a deposition at her own

home (so

> she would not be the least inconvenienced to tell her story). The

lawyer

> for the KMLB then told MY lawyer that the case was being

dropped " for lack

> of substance " . That was a number of years prior to the board's

final action

> against my license and I had heard nothing more about it until a

friend of

> mine sent me a newspaper clipping that my license had been revoked

for

> attempting to treat a patient without ever seeing her. About a week

after

> the KMLB action, I got the official announcement from them in the

mail.

>

> This was the first complaint I had ever had from a patient in 30+

years of

> practice. There had been at least 10 " official complaints " by the

licensing

> board over the years I offered alternatives to my patients--I had

had none

> while I only knew to practice conventional medicine. Most of these

were

> from other physicians whose patients came back to them well--after

that

> physician had treated them for many years without results. Patients

had

> wondered why Dr Stoll immediately knew what to do and they were

well in a

> few months. Instead of calling me to try to learn something, docs

would

> make a complaint to the KMLB for Dr Stoll " practicing unconventional

> medicine " . Instead of being happy for their patients that they were

well,

> the docs were threatened by that happening.

>

> Each time, after a lot of research, legal expense and psychological

stress

> on my part, KMLB would say: " the case was being dropped for lack of

> substance " . However they would NEVER give me anything in writing so

when

> anyone would contact them about Dr Stoll, they could say the cases

were

> still pending. That way, I could not get a license in another

state. This

> is standard practice (although illegal) throughout the country--see

> references below.

>

> Having been stripped of my License to Practice Medicine, I cannot

see

> patients. Having left the state to write my book, Saving Yourself

From the

> Disease-Care Crisis, I had not practiced medicine for 18 months

before the

> KMLB finally got around to taking my license. They just bet that I

would

> not be willing to travel from FL to KY many times to defend myself

in court

> and they were right.

>

> This is another example of the vicious vindictiveness of the

process that

> is going on all over the country. The KMLB knew that I did not

intend to

> ever go back to KY. I had taken a year in Illinois to finish my

book and

> had moved to Florida, permanently, to be with my wife and

grandchildren.

> They STILL felt it necessary to use the situation I have previously

> described to take my license. I had been fighting the board for the

> previous 5 years for the principle of the thing only---it is JUST

SO UNFAIR!

>

> I will be happy to answer more but I think you would profit more by

looking

> at the national situation, via the references listed on the website

under

> Conventional vs. Alternative Medicine (References).

>

> Walt Stoll, MD

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for posting this, Agnes. Does anyone know if there is a liver

cleanse for diabetics? I thought I remembered seeing one at the

Curezone site, but when I went back the link was not working. (So

here is something for everyone to consider: Whenever you find good

info at a site be sure to copy it immediately or make a hard copy! :-)

Chilled out in Alberta, Canada ;-) LOL

Trudy

Message: 1

Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:27:15 +0200

From: Agnes <agnes@...>

Subject: FAQ: Why doesn't my doctor wants to talk about liver cleanse?

FAQ

People often ask Why?

Why doesn't my doctor wants to talk about liver cleanse, about

alternatives?

Doesn't he knows something about liver cleanse?

If it really works, wouldn't my doctor be the first one to know about

liver cleanse?

Answer:

This is what happens to doctors who cure their patients.

http://askwaltstollmd.com/license.html

[Guest guest]

From chilled out here in London, Ontario.

I recommend Hulda 's liver cleanse which she suggests for all people, with

health problems or not. She does not give a specific one for diabetics.

The protocol is located here:

http://www.4optimallife.com/Liver-Cleanse-And-Detoxification-Procedures.html

I have done 15 of them with no problems. I got out some stones the size of

robins' eggs.

Kallie

http://www.4optimallife.com

Magnetic Sleep Pads, Zappers,

Ionizing- Alkalizing Water Filters,

Rebounders, Energy Therapies,

FAQ: Why doesn't my doctor wants to talk about liver cleanse?

FAQ

People often ask Why?

Why doesn't my doctor wants to talk about liver cleanse, about

alternatives?

Doesn't he knows something about liver cleanse?

If it really works, wouldn't my doctor be the first one to know about

liver cleanse?

Answer:

This is what happens to doctors who cure their patients.

http://askwaltstollmd.com/license.html

[Guest guest]

Just be sure that you do a parasite cleanse _before_ you do the liver

cleanse. You can find the info here:

http://www..net/info/p_chart.htm

More info on the Dr. protocols:

http://www..net/info/info.htm

Good luck,

Ilana

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, kallie miller wrote:

> From chilled out here in London, Ontario.

>

> I recommend Hulda 's liver cleanse which she suggests for all people,

with health problems or not. She does not give a specific one for diabetics.

>

> The protocol is located here:

> http://www.4optimallife.com/Liver-Cleanse-And-Detoxification-Procedures.html

>

>

> I have done 15 of them with no problems. I got out some stones the size of

robins' eggs.

>

>

> Kallie

>

> http://www.4optimallife.com

> Magnetic Sleep Pads, Zappers,

> Ionizing- Alkalizing Water Filters,

> Rebounders, Energy Therapies,

>

[Guest guest]

Hulda says it is necessary to kill parasites first and I don't believe it is. I

have had about 20 people do a liver cleanse with out first doing a parasite

cleanse and no problems.

A chiropractor has written a book on how to clean out your gallbladder and avoid

gall bladder surgery. It is somewhat the same as Hulda's and he makes no

mention of eliminating parasites. Please don't ask for the name of the book and

the chiropractor as I have forgotten. He has you fast a few days before and

drink apple juice.

Kallie

http://www.4optimallife.com

Magnetic Sleep Pads, Zappers,

Ionizing- Alkalizing Water Filters,

Rebounders, Energy Therapies,

Re: [ ] Re: FAQ: Why doesn't my doctor wants to talk about

liver cleanse?

Just be sure that you do a parasite cleanse _before_ you do the liver

cleanse. You can find the info here:

http://www..net/info/p_chart.htm

More info on the Dr. protocols:

http://www..net/info/info.htm

Good luck,

Ilana

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, kallie miller wrote:

> From chilled out here in London, Ontario.

>

> I recommend Hulda 's liver cleanse which she suggests for all people,

with health problems or not. She does not give a specific one for diabetics.

>

> The protocol is located here:

> http://www.4optimallife.com/Liver-Cleanse-And-Detoxification-Procedures.html

>

>

> I have done 15 of them with no problems. I got out some stones the size of

robins' eggs.

>

>

> Kallie

>

> http://www.4optimallife.com

> Magnetic Sleep Pads, Zappers,

> Ionizing- Alkalizing Water Filters,

> Rebounders, Energy Therapies,

>

[Guest guest]

Grrrrr!

You guys know how I feel about doctors. This rings so true for me. I've had an impacted colon for at least 5 years and very severely for 3. I wend to all sorts of specialists, had MRI's, X-Rays and the like. I didn't have cancer and had no tumors so they sent me home saying "gosh! You're really constipated!" Dur hur. I figure they thought I was too young to have something so severe. Anyway, I go to a holistic MD and he susses it in about an hour after going through my history and symptoms. Boom, 3 days after my first treatment, things just get better and better. I still have a long way to go, but... cripes? If I had ignored it? What next? Colon cancer???!

That poor Dr. Heaven forbid you go against the system and actually try to heal the person and not the symptom.

I also have a Dr. Friend. I'm wary of him, but he's a nice guy. I told him about my candida. He said "oh, you know there's a pill that makes that all go away in a day or two."

"does it kill the other bacteria in your colon?"

"Well? Probably it does."

Rrrrrrrr. Doctors.

Thanks for the article.

Caer

[Guest guest]

Hi Kallie,

Thanks for sharing this with me. I am printing it out! ;-)

What are Ornithine capsules? Is this something I get from the

pharmacy or the health food store?

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 2

Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:17:28 -0500

From: " kallie miller " <4optimallife@...>

Subject: Re: Re: FAQ: Why doesn't my doctor wants to talk about liver

cleanse?

>From chilled out here in London, Ontario.

I recommend Hulda 's liver cleanse which she suggests for all

people, with health problems or not. She does not give a specific one

for diabetics.

The protocol is located here:

http://www.4optimallife.com/Liver-Cleanse-And-Detoxification-Procedures.html

I have done 15 of them with no problems. I got out some stones the

size of robins' eggs.

Kallie

[Guest guest]

Hi Trudy

Your welcome. You can get ornithine in the health food stores. Another

name is, I think, in Canada, thiotic acid. Quite expensive -$35 a bottle. I

found it did nothing for me and most of the people I recommend it to here in

London and area don't use it. They have no problems. In fact, I don't think

anyone has used it.

Kallie

http://www.4optimallife.com

Magnetic Sleep Pads, Zappers,

Ionizing- Alkalizing Water Filters,

Rebounders, Energy Therapies,

Re: Re: FAQ: Why doesn't my doctor wants to talk about liver

cleanse?

>From chilled out here in London, Ontario.

I recommend Hulda 's liver cleanse which she suggests for all

people, with health problems or not. She does not give a specific one

for diabetics.

The protocol is located here:

http://www.4optimallife.com/Liver-Cleanse-And-Detoxification-Procedures.html

I have done 15 of them with no problems. I got out some stones the

size of robins' eggs.

Kallie

[Guest guest]

agnes@... writes:

> Why My License Was Revoked

> by Walt Stoll, MD askwaltstollmd.com

> http://askwaltstollmd.com/license.html

>

Interesting story. It's a good example of why it's important for the

layperson to speak up about the gallbladder cleansing process and how it's

affected our lives. Doctors may get in trouble over it, but we (the

non-medical people among us) still have freedom of speech!

in health,

rachel~

" Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

[Guest guest]

has anyone had any eye problems i.e. HI retinopothy

I just saw another specialist who tells me i have cataracts in both

eyes and these blood veins that are odd in nature going into my retina

he tells me he wants to keep an eye on it pardon the pun.

every 6 months and was aware of several other hiv eye conditions

that may or may not develop.Geese its always something.

my rx changed in vision in just 14 months from .75 to 1.5

ill be wearing coke bottle glasses like my Dad in 5 years if this

keeps up.

> Grrrrr!

>

> You guys know how I feel about doctors. This rings so true for

me. I've

> had an impacted colon for at least 5 years and very severely for

3. I wend

> to all sorts of specialists, had MRI's, X-Rays and the like. I

didn't have

> cancer and had no tumors so they sent me home saying " gosh! You're

really

> constipated! " Dur hur. I figure they thought I was too young to

have

> something so severe. Anyway, I go to a holistic MD and he susses

it in

> about an hour after going through my history and symptoms. Boom,

3 days

> after my first treatment, things just get better and better. I

still have a

> long way to go, but... cripes? If I had ignored it? What next?

Colon

> cancer???!

>

> That poor Dr. Heaven forbid you go against the system and actually

try to

> heal the person and not the symptom.

>

> I also have a Dr. Friend. I'm wary of him, but he's a nice guy. I

told him

> about my candida. He said " oh, you know there's a pill that makes

that all

> go away in a day or two. "

>

> " does it kill the other bacteria in your colon? "

>

> " Well? Probably it does. "

>

> Rrrrrrrr. Doctors.

>

> Thanks for the article.

>

> Caer