Re: What kinds of laxatives with Liver flush?

[Guest guest]

I'm sure this isn't quite what you're looking for, but I'll share it as an

option anyway. I use apple juice. I drink a quart of it every day anyway

because the malic acid is reported to help dissolve gallstones. So generally

on the day of a flush I will double that and it works very well to loosen and

get things moved out.

I have done the flush with the Epsom Salts, but much prefer it without. I

know that they are reported to have other uses in addition to being a

laxative, but I have found the flushes to be effective for me without them,

so after experimenting in different ways, apple juice is my personal choice.

It works for me.

If you're looking for a particular pill/supplement to take I'm sure you'll

get other ideas from other people.

in health,

rachel~

JWo8809899@... writes:

> I was wondering if there are other kinds of laxatives that can be

> used with the H. liver flush other than epsom salts? If anyone

> has had experience with other types that were successful please let

> me know along with how much to take. Thanks,

>

" Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right " - Henry Ford

[Guest guest]

Cascara Sagrada is a natural herbal laxative, or combination called

LBSII that I use that is a little midler, but I have learned from this group

that Epsom Salts also help to relax the ducts for a good flush, and

must say that it made a big difference. Years ago when I first did this,

I used Epsom, then thought that I was pretty smart when I changed

over to Cascara Sagrada as I learned about herbs (I'm really into

herbs :-), and though I did pass things in my flush, it was not

as pleasant and I didn't pass much. Perhaps taking magnesium would

help if you used another laxative, but I haven't ever tried to figure

out how many mg. of magnesium is in Epsom Salts.

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

----- Original Message -----

From: anteup2

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:44 AM

Subject: What kinds of laxatives with Liver flush?

I was wondering if there are other kinds of laxatives that can be

used with the H. liver flush other than epsom salts? If anyone

has had experience with other types that were successful please let

me know along with how much to take. Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Not so much an answer to the original question as to the reply.

According to Agnes, half of the salts is magnesium. Still according

to Agnes, half a teaspoon of Epsom salts is about 2 grams, that is 1

g of magnesium.

According to other sources, magnesium sulphate has a rather poor

absorption of magnesium (unlike magnesium citrate): 1/3 of the

magnesium is absorbed.

So when you take 1 teaspoon of magnesium sulphate (Epsom salts),

something like one third of 2 g of magnesium is absorbed.

I don't really know what happens when you take Epsom salts above the

laxative threshold (at least more than 1 teaspoon). Someone (not

here) claimed that irritation of the gut lining is the most important

reason for the laxative effect. But the magnesium level in the body

is regulated by the kidneys, and the kidneys deal with stuff that has

already gone from the gut to the bloodstream. I think that you can

have dirrhea when there's too much magnesium for the kidneys to

handle, although I don't know the mechanism (magnesium stopped being

absorbed from the gut to the blood when there's enough of it in the

blood already, according to the kidneys?). If the right muscles are

relaxed, perhaps that effect will also contribute to the (re)laxative

effect.

An Internet investigation would probably reveal all of this..., or

perhaps someone here even knows already :-). It's not something that

you can know intuitively without having sufficient insight into how

the body works in this area.

Probably, I think, only a small portion (if any?) of the salts is

absorbed, while the remaining portion continues straight through the

intestines. This is for people who eliminate liquid after drinking

the Epsom salts; it seems that some people absorb more of it than

others?

For smooth muscle, including those responsible for the bile ducts, to

be relaxed by the magnesium, it must be absorbed. Taking another

laxative and a couple of magnesium capsules should be enough for the

relaxation, I suppose? But if I'm not mistaken some people suggest

that the magnesium has other effects as well, relating directly to

the function of the gall bladder. I didn't get the full story on that

one.

-- Helge

>Cascara Sagrada is a natural herbal laxative, or combination called

>LBSII that I use that is a little midler, but I have learned from this group

>that Epsom Salts also help to relax the ducts for a good flush, and

>must say that it made a big difference. Years ago when I first did this,

>I used Epsom, then thought that I was pretty smart when I changed

>over to Cascara Sagrada as I learned about herbs (I'm really into

>herbs :-), and though I did pass things in my flush, it was not

>as pleasant and I didn't pass much. Perhaps taking magnesium would

>help if you used another laxative, but I haven't ever tried to figure

>out how many mg. of magnesium is in Epsom Salts.

>

> L. Meydrech, CN

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>I'm sure this isn't quite what you're looking for, but I'll share it as

>an

>option anyway. I use apple juice. I drink a quart of it every day

>anyway

>because the malic acid is reported to help dissolve gallstones.

Has anyone information on the availability of malic acid in a pure form

(i.e., not in a food)?

This could be a valuable aid to dissolving gallstones if taken regularly.

Any information on side effects?

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IRA L. JACOBSON

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[Guest guest]

>Has anyone information on the availability

>of malic acid in a pure form(i.e., not in

>a food)?

The chiropractor that I went to years

back gave me that one time, maybe Standard

Process has it?? but I didn't like it, it

burned my stomach, but maybe others wouldn't

mind. I think I might have seen it in my

Puritan Pride catalog as well. Maybe in

smaller regular dosage with food it wouldn't

burn so much. Prefer just the apple juice w/ beet

juice powder price-wise, or Standard Process's

Betafood...you have to take about 45 Betafood

a day for 5 days...some say 7, five enough

for me.

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a