Re: Flush 2

[Guest guest]

teresa@... writes:

> ps - I forgot to ask... it said to have a fat free breakfast and lunch

> today - I had lavash (flat bread) with philadephia cream cheese (just a

> little bit!) and about 1/4 of an avacado on it... I wasn't organised

> enough.

>

> After this, am I wasting my time doing the flush, or does it have any

> effect

> at all?

>

The fat-free segment before the flush is important, but I can't see why it

would make a difference afterward. You're definitely not wasting your time.

I've done flushes where I'd hate to admit what I had the day after <and I

won't - grin> and still had good results. And hey - at least the avodaco has

the " good fat " .

Maybe someone out there knows the reasoning behind suggesting fat free the

morning after. But for now - I'd say " no worries, mate " .

in health,

rachel~

" Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

[Guest guest]

ps - I forgot to ask... it said to have a fat free breakfast and lunch

today - I had lavash (flat bread) with philadephia cream cheese (just a

little bit!) and about 1/4 of an avacado on it... I wasn't organised enough.

After this, am I wasting my time doing the flush, or does it have any effect

at all?

thanks

[Guest guest]

At 21:58 05.04.2002 +1000, you wrote:

>ps - I forgot to ask... it said to have a fat free breakfast and lunch

>today - I had lavash (flat bread) with philadephia cream cheese (just a

>little bit!) and about 1/4 of an avacado on it... I wasn't organised enough.

>

>After this, am I wasting my time doing the flush, or does it have any effect

>at all?

10 days ago I did my xx liver flush. I lost counting, this one could be

somewhere between 20 and 30.

I did first flush 5 years ago, when I did about 8 flushes with 2 weeks a part.

My first " stone-free flush " was my 8th flush, the same year.

Since then, I have had several times " stone-free flush " . After stone-free

flush, I usually do next flush 10 days later, to make sure I am really

stone-free.

If the second flush is stone-free, then I take a break for 3 - 5 months.

That was last 3 years.

This time, I decided to break one rule - " eat no fat " .

Morning breakfast was OK, but at 4 PM I ate several pieces of bread with

fatty sour cream. I was running and playing with kids, and I just got so

hungry that I thought it was good chance to test that rule.

I ate at least several tbsp of sour cream with bread. That was at 4 PM (16:00).

At 19:00 (7pm) I took my first (and only! ) cup of water with 1 tbsp of

Epsom salt.

(I don't always follow the timing exactly. I adjust it after needs. I

don't prepare specially for the cleanse, I just decide to do it, and i do

it, and if i have to, I adjust timing to whatever I need ... )

At 23:00 (11pm) I took little bit more then 1/2 cup of olive oil and little

bit more then 1/2 cup of grapefruit juice.

I stay with computer until 1am, and then I went to sleep. Being in vertical

position after drinking oil helps getting air out from my stomach.

( This just me sharing my experience! I rarely go to sleep before 1am. )

In the morning, 7am I took 1 cup of water with magnesium Sulfate, and at

8:30 I took the second cup.

I ate fruit and grapefruit juice around 10. I ate a fatty meal at 11am

(sour cream (1/4 of a liter) and bread)

Diarrhea started after I ate.

( I always eat fatty breakfast after the cleanse, to make what I call " the

second cleanse " . )

A lot of fat after the morning magnesium sulfate flushes liver one more time.

For me, sour cream is the easiest fat to digest. I eat it a lot.

My ancestors in Estonia ate it a lot. (Yes, I have seen nomilk site, but

sour cream is one of the best fats I can eat.)

I got about 20 - 30 small stones, 2 or 3 stones were bigger then 5 mm

across, one was 9 mm across.

I was using colander inside toilet bowl. I took photos.

I consider this cleanse succesfull, even though I ate fatty foods the same

afternoon.

( I don't suggest you to try it, this just me sharing my experience! )

Most flushes that I do in spring time are more successful then flush I do

in winter time.

My previous flush was in the end of January this year, and I have had 1

little stone (5 mm across) and 3 small stones 2 mm across.

That flush was all following the rules. No fat. I concluded my liver is

quite clean.

I will be doing my next cleanse soon, and another one again, until my liver

is clean (for this spring-summer season)

My liver keep producing (an average) about 30 - 50 stones a year.

To keep it clean, I need at least 3 - 5 flushes a year.

As a child I received many vaccine shuts, and I was often treated with

antibiotics. (I ate a lot of sugar.)

That must have harmed my liver beyond the ability to be repaired, and I

think my liver may keep producing stones forever.

I never had gallstones (diagnosed) and I never had gallstones attack.

I have one child. I am Caucasian.

Most of my food intolerance disappeared after 2 years of cleansing.

Regards

Agnes

[Guest guest]

morning before, not after! :-)

gotta go.... (to soccer!) haven't been to bathroom yet.... it's 7.30am...

talk later

-----Original Message-----

From: Rachd1961@... [mailto:Rachd1961@...]

Sent: Friday, 5 April 2002 22:32

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Subject: Re: Flush 2

teresa@... writes:

> ps - I forgot to ask... it said to have a fat free breakfast and lunch

> today - I had lavash (flat bread) with philadephia cream cheese (just a

> little bit!) and about 1/4 of an avacado on it... I wasn't organised

> enough.

>

> After this, am I wasting my time doing the flush, or does it have any

> effect

> at all?

>

The fat-free segment before the flush is important, but I can't see why it

would make a difference afterward. You're definitely not wasting your time.

I've done flushes where I'd hate to admit what I had the day after <and I

won't - grin> and still had good results. And hey - at least the avodaco

has

the " good fat " .

Maybe someone out there knows the reasoning behind suggesting fat free the

morning after. But for now - I'd say " no worries, mate " .

in health,

rachel~

" Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

[Guest guest]

Well, it is now 11am the next day, and I had my first morning dose of salts

at 10am (this was because I was worried about having to dash off somewhere

unknown during my son's soccer game)

>I ate fruit and grapefruit juice around 10. I ate a fatty meal at 11am

>(sour cream (1/4 of a liter) and bread)

>Diarrhea started after I ate.

Agnes, this comment of yours relieved me... I still have not had any

movement down below and was getting worried. It is amazing how much

difference it makes - instead of 4tsbp of epsom salts in 3 cups of water I

am doing 3tbsp in 3cup applejuice/water mix. This is because I had such a

powerful reaction to the ES last time!

I stayed awake last night for most of the night, but for different reasons

this time - this time I felt very nauseous and wanting to heave a couple of

times but didn't. Strange I thought, as I didn't have any problems getting

the oil down.

The epsom salts in apple juice is marginally better but still pretty foul!

I am going to try the colander trick Agnes... (as long as hubby doesn't spot

me!!!!) and photo anything of interest!

It's nice to be able to share this with people, hearing how others go helps

me know that what happens for me is ok and within the norm.

More reports later!

cheers

[Guest guest]

The nausea is from the bile backing up into your stomach, I

believe, as stones are pushing through. I had it in waves that

came and went as things moved their way through. I really

preferred 's idea of mixing Epsoms with the Grapefruit

Juice and chilling, taking it cold made it go down quite

easily compared to straight in luke warm water years back.

Let us know what you see!!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

I stayed awake last night for most of the night, but for different reasons

this time - this time I felt very nauseous and wanting to heave a couple of

times but didn't. Strange I thought, as I didn't have any problems getting

the oil down.

The epsom salts in apple juice is marginally better but still pretty foul!

[Guest guest]

thank you - hopefully all will go well, just took the last dose of epsom

salts, and they didn't make me gag - chilled and in juice. Might try

grapefruit juice next time - funny, I used to hate grapefruits and juice and

would never touch them, however, they are not that bad after all!

Feeling a bit woozy and weak, hopefully this will all pass when things start

moving.

-----Original Message-----

From: L. Meydrech [mailto:claudiameydrech@...]

Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2002 11:58

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Subject: Re: Flush 2

The nausea is from the bile backing up into your stomach, I

believe, as stones are pushing through. I had it in waves that

came and went as things moved their way through. I really

preferred 's idea of mixing Epsoms with the Grapefruit

Juice and chilling, taking it cold made it go down quite

easily compared to straight in luke warm water years back.

Let us know what you see!!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

I stayed awake last night for most of the night, but for different reasons

this time - this time I felt very nauseous and wanting to heave a couple

of

times but didn't. Strange I thought, as I didn't have any problems getting

the oil down.

The epsom salts in apple juice is marginally better but still pretty foul!

[Guest guest]

If I'm understanding correctly you did the flush

last night?? You'll feel yourself after a few days.

I felt that way too. Yes, it's good to get the

old bile, and " junk " that has been cleaned out of

your body out of the system as quickly as possible

after the flush, that's why they have you take the

epsoms, to clear it out, or you end up re-aborbing

some of that into your system, and may take a little

longer to feel your new/old :-) self again.

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

>Feeling a bit woozy and weak, hopefully this

>will all pass when things start moving.

>

[Guest guest]

At 12:09 06.04.2002 +1000, you wrote:

>thank you - hopefully all will go well, just took the last dose of epsom

>salts, and they didn't make me gag - chilled and in juice. Might try

>grapefruit juice next time - funny, I used to hate grapefruits and juice and

>would never touch them, however, they are not that bad after all!

>

>Feeling a bit woozy and weak, hopefully this will all pass when things start

>moving.

>

>

,

you can eat fruit already 1 or 1 and a half hour after your last cup of

Epsom salt.

Food (fruit) will make you feel better. It will also push diarrhea.

You can take some fatty food already 2 hours after drinking your last dose

of Epsom.

Fatty food may also push diarrhea.

For everyone who gets too strong diarrhea:

Take less Epsom salts.

And, if it doesn't come out, eat fruit the next day, or take an enema,

until it all comes out.

Agnes

[Guest guest]

thank you - it's been only 3/4 hr since my last dose of epsom salts and they

moved things along very quickly! within 30 minutes I was running for the

loo - and have been once since then too. Haven't seen any stones yet though.

Will see how it goes!

thank you Agnes and - I will eat the fruit in a while. And bacon and

eggs are calling... or maybe beer battered fish and home made chips for

dinner...! sounds terrible, doesn't it!!! :-)

-----Original Message-----

From: Espen [mailto:groupmaster@...]

Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2002 12:41

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Subject: RE: Flush 2

At 12:09 06.04.2002 +1000, you wrote:

>thank you - hopefully all will go well, just took the last dose of epsom

>salts, and they didn't make me gag - chilled and in juice. Might try

>grapefruit juice next time - funny, I used to hate grapefruits and juice

and

>would never touch them, however, they are not that bad after all!

>

>Feeling a bit woozy and weak, hopefully this will all pass when things

start

>moving.

>

>

,

you can eat fruit already 1 or 1 and a half hour after your last cup of

Epsom salt.

Food (fruit) will make you feel better. It will also push diarrhea.

You can take some fatty food already 2 hours after drinking your last dose

of Epsom.

Fatty food may also push diarrhea.

For everyone who gets too strong diarrhea:

Take less Epsom salts.

And, if it doesn't come out, eat fruit the next day, or take an enema,

until it all comes out.

Agnes

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,

I'll ask you the same question I asked Dawn. Have you had ultrasound

to determine what size and number of stones you are dealing with

inside your gallbladder?

I've had 8 cleanses, and the colic will return for me after 2-7 days

because it takes that long for the large amount of oil to process

through my body. I'm sort of lubbed for a few days and then the colic

is back to it's usual self. Having the ultrasounds (I've actually had

4 of them because I've felt so good that I thought the problem was

gone) will keep you updated on the battle that you are facing.

Good luck with your cleanses. I hope you get that 'big one' out on

your flush.

Barry.

> Greetings to all from the other end of the planet!

>

> I am in the process of my 2nd flush (1 hour after my 2nd dose of

epsom

> salts), and was wondering a few things...

>

> I get my attacks fairly consistently mid afternoon, or maybe 4pm at

the

> latest, and the bad ones have me feverish and in lots of pain so

the only

> thing for it is bed. Or, actually recently I discovered that lying

on my

> right side gives me some (not total) relief.

>

> I was having an attack roughly every six months, but of late, they

were

> coming weekly (usually Fridays, go figure) and for a while, daily.

>

> Enough! I said, and toodled off to the naturopath who put me on the

cleanse

> which I reckon she must have got from curezone.com.

>

> That was two weeks ago, and I followed the plan to the letter,

except

> instead of drinking the oil at 10pm it was closer to 11 - I read

somewhere

> that this makes a difference, can anyone tell me why please?

>

> Around 2am things started moving for me (, thank you for your

> suggestion, as well as having the epsom salts in apple juice, I

reduced them

> from 4tbsp to 3tbsp - still disgusting, but a lot more

manageable!). A

> sleepless night was had by all from then on till about 5am, then

the body

> settled a little!

>

> Woke up around 8am, took more epsom salts, and then the last dose

at 10am.

>

> Throughout the early morning, and through till about 1 or 2pm, I

passed

> probably around 100 or fewer green things which looked like green

sunflower

> seeds, and about that size too, and that's it - no yellow stuff at

all.

>

> I am wondering what will happen this time? Hopefully I will NOT

have to

> change the sheets at 4am again - that wasn't funny! I hope also

that I will

> be able to attend my son's soccer match tomorrow morning at 8am!

>

> I was a bit concerned after reading these emails from the past two

weeks

> because I hadn't seen any of the yellow stones, perhaps they come

this time?

> I hope that my 2nd flush will be effective!

>

> After the first flush I felt ok, no euphoria like some have

reported, but

> alright (apart from the fire down below). I started feeling

encouraged that

> perhaps I had helped my condition as I didn't have any more attacks.

>

> Sadly, this week I have had three attacks in three days, and today

the

> threat of an attack, which I am curious (sort of, and

frightened...) to see

> what happens around that when I take the oil. That is why I have

made the

> choice to do the 2nd flush 12 days after the first one. These

attacks are

> not fun, and I don't wish them to continue!

>

> I am wondering if like Barry, I have a " problem stone " which I will

never

> get out - I hope not! I will see how this flush goes.

>

> Thank you all for being a huge source of encouragement. It had made

an

> enormous difference to me to read your mails - what was a big and

very

> frightening mystery to me two weeks ago is now something I feel

that with

> the knowledge and experiences you have all passed on I am well able

to

> tackle and get to the bottom of.

>

> I'll keep you posted!

>

> thanks to all

>

[Guest guest]

Barry,

I have had an ultrasound and it tells me that I have lots of " gravel " but no

big stones. So maybe I don't have any or maybe they are hiding...

BUT...

if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I have these very

painful attacks??? this worries and frustrates me....

still no stones, or any of the green things I saw in the first flush. Maybe

they were all in the big mess I passed first up an hour or so ago... wasn't

going looking to check that one!

I can nearly eat!!! Off to have some juice now

-----Original Message-----

From: barry91162 [mailto:barry91162@...]

Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2002 13:17

gallstones

Subject: Re: Flush 2

,

I'll ask you the same question I asked Dawn. Have you had ultrasound

to determine what size and number of stones you are dealing with

inside your gallbladder?

I've had 8 cleanses, and the colic will return for me after 2-7 days

because it takes that long for the large amount of oil to process

through my body. I'm sort of lubbed for a few days and then the colic

is back to it's usual self. Having the ultrasounds (I've actually had

4 of them because I've felt so good that I thought the problem was

gone) will keep you updated on the battle that you are facing.

Good luck with your cleanses. I hope you get that 'big one' out on

your flush.

Barry.

> Greetings to all from the other end of the planet!

>

> I am in the process of my 2nd flush (1 hour after my 2nd dose of

epsom

> salts), and was wondering a few things...

>

> I get my attacks fairly consistently mid afternoon, or maybe 4pm at

the

> latest, and the bad ones have me feverish and in lots of pain so

the only

> thing for it is bed. Or, actually recently I discovered that lying

on my

> right side gives me some (not total) relief.

>

> I was having an attack roughly every six months, but of late, they

were

> coming weekly (usually Fridays, go figure) and for a while, daily.

>

> Enough! I said, and toodled off to the naturopath who put me on the

cleanse

> which I reckon she must have got from curezone.com.

>

> That was two weeks ago, and I followed the plan to the letter,

except

> instead of drinking the oil at 10pm it was closer to 11 - I read

somewhere

> that this makes a difference, can anyone tell me why please?

>

> Around 2am things started moving for me (, thank you for your

> suggestion, as well as having the epsom salts in apple juice, I

reduced them

> from 4tbsp to 3tbsp - still disgusting, but a lot more

manageable!). A

> sleepless night was had by all from then on till about 5am, then

the body

> settled a little!

>

> Woke up around 8am, took more epsom salts, and then the last dose

at 10am.

>

> Throughout the early morning, and through till about 1 or 2pm, I

passed

> probably around 100 or fewer green things which looked like green

sunflower

> seeds, and about that size too, and that's it - no yellow stuff at

all.

>

> I am wondering what will happen this time? Hopefully I will NOT

have to

> change the sheets at 4am again - that wasn't funny! I hope also

that I will

> be able to attend my son's soccer match tomorrow morning at 8am!

>

> I was a bit concerned after reading these emails from the past two

weeks

> because I hadn't seen any of the yellow stones, perhaps they come

this time?

> I hope that my 2nd flush will be effective!

>

> After the first flush I felt ok, no euphoria like some have

reported, but

> alright (apart from the fire down below). I started feeling

encouraged that

> perhaps I had helped my condition as I didn't have any more attacks.

>

> Sadly, this week I have had three attacks in three days, and today

the

> threat of an attack, which I am curious (sort of, and

frightened...) to see

> what happens around that when I take the oil. That is why I have

made the

> choice to do the 2nd flush 12 days after the first one. These

attacks are

> not fun, and I don't wish them to continue!

>

> I am wondering if like Barry, I have a " problem stone " which I will

never

> get out - I hope not! I will see how this flush goes.

>

> Thank you all for being a huge source of encouragement. It had made

an

> enormous difference to me to read your mails - what was a big and

very

> frightening mystery to me two weeks ago is now something I feel

that with

> the knowledge and experiences you have all passed on I am well able

to

> tackle and get to the bottom of.

>

> I'll keep you posted!

>

> thanks to all

>

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Hi ,

My ultrasound showed very tiny stones, mostly sludge, and not much at that, yet

what excruciating pain I had! The pain is caused by the body trying to pass the

stones/sludge through the narrow ducts. In my case, I never did have any big

stones in my gallbladder(proved by post surgery lab report), but ultrasound has

been known to miss them. And since I've passed a couple thousand stones in the 8

cleanses I've done,since my GB was removed, that, IMO, proves that pain could

also be caused by the liver trying to pass stones.

Adrienne

>I have had an ultrasound and it tells me that I have lots of " gravel " but no

>big stones. So maybe I don't have any or maybe they are hiding...

>BUT...

>if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I have these very

>painful attacks??? this worries and frustrates me....

> "

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

,

Sometimes stones do not always show up on ultrasound. Another one

would be helpful in the near future just to make sure they didn't

miss one (or more) on the first scan. If you do a few flushes and

still have colic, that is when I'd check it again.

Also, the smaller ones (and gravel) could cause colic just as well.

The smaller gravel could be blocking your cystic duct or common duct.

One good thing is that the gravel is a lot easy to clean out in one

or a few flushes and hopefully your colic will stop. Bigger stones

that can't fit through the mouth of the gb are sometimes harder to

exit. Example; I've done 8 flushes and still have a 1 cm stone that

causes colic attacks. But like I said, you may not have something

like that and hopefully the flush will clean you out faster.

Please keep us posted on your progess.

Barry.

> > Greetings to all from the other end of the planet!

> >

> > I am in the process of my 2nd flush (1 hour after my 2nd dose of

> epsom

> > salts), and was wondering a few things...

> >

> > I get my attacks fairly consistently mid afternoon, or maybe 4pm

at

> the

> > latest, and the bad ones have me feverish and in lots of pain so

> the only

> > thing for it is bed. Or, actually recently I discovered that lying

> on my

> > right side gives me some (not total) relief.

> >

> > I was having an attack roughly every six months, but of late, they

> were

> > coming weekly (usually Fridays, go figure) and for a while, daily.

> >

> > Enough! I said, and toodled off to the naturopath who put me on

the

> cleanse

> > which I reckon she must have got from curezone.com.

> >

> > That was two weeks ago, and I followed the plan to the letter,

> except

> > instead of drinking the oil at 10pm it was closer to 11 - I read

> somewhere

> > that this makes a difference, can anyone tell me why please?

> >

> > Around 2am things started moving for me (, thank you for

your

> > suggestion, as well as having the epsom salts in apple juice, I

> reduced them

> > from 4tbsp to 3tbsp - still disgusting, but a lot more

> manageable!). A

> > sleepless night was had by all from then on till about 5am, then

> the body

> > settled a little!

> >

> > Woke up around 8am, took more epsom salts, and then the last dose

> at 10am.

> >

> > Throughout the early morning, and through till about 1 or 2pm, I

> passed

> > probably around 100 or fewer green things which looked like green

> sunflower

> > seeds, and about that size too, and that's it - no yellow stuff at

> all.

> >

> > I am wondering what will happen this time? Hopefully I will NOT

> have to

> > change the sheets at 4am again - that wasn't funny! I hope also

> that I will

> > be able to attend my son's soccer match tomorrow morning at 8am!

> >

> > I was a bit concerned after reading these emails from the past two

> weeks

> > because I hadn't seen any of the yellow stones, perhaps they come

> this time?

> > I hope that my 2nd flush will be effective!

> >

> > After the first flush I felt ok, no euphoria like some have

> reported, but

> > alright (apart from the fire down below). I started feeling

> encouraged that

> > perhaps I had helped my condition as I didn't have any more

attacks.

> >

> > Sadly, this week I have had three attacks in three days, and today

> the

> > threat of an attack, which I am curious (sort of, and

> frightened...) to see

> > what happens around that when I take the oil. That is why I have

> made the

> > choice to do the 2nd flush 12 days after the first one. These

> attacks are

> > not fun, and I don't wish them to continue!

> >

> > I am wondering if like Barry, I have a " problem stone " which I

will

> never

> > get out - I hope not! I will see how this flush goes.

> >

> > Thank you all for being a huge source of encouragement. It had

made

> an

> > enormous difference to me to read your mails - what was a big and

> very

> > frightening mystery to me two weeks ago is now something I feel

> that with

> > the knowledge and experiences you have all passed on I am well

able

> to

> > tackle and get to the bottom of.

> >

> > I'll keep you posted!

> >

> > thanks to all

> >

>

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In a message dated 4/5/02 11:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

adriennelynn1@... writes:

> My ultrasound showed very tiny stones, mostly sludge, and not much at that,

> yet what excruciating pain I had! The pain is caused by the body trying to

> pass the stones/sludge through the narrow ducts. In my case, I never did

> have any big stones in my gallbladder(proved by post surgery lab report),

> but ultrasound has been known to miss them. And since I've passed a couple

> thousand stones in the 8 cleanses I've done,since my GB was removed, that,

> IMO, proves that pain could also be caused by the liver trying to pass

> stones.

>

This is interesting, Adrienne. I guess that's sort of what I was theorizing

about (but you phrased it so much better!). So a large amount of sludge

could cause similar problems as a big stone. It does make sense - I mean,

why should the gallbladder have the corner on pain in passing stones?

Gheez, when I think about how overworked and under cared-for our livers

generally are, it's no wonder that people end up in liver failure so often.

I'm just thankful that I discovered some of this stuff at a relatively young

age.

in health,

rachel~

" Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/7/02 8:32:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

barry91162@... writes:

> Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something

> that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.

>

In case anyone missed this I wanted to put it back out there.

Yes - by all means - flush while things are small enough to flush out easily!

rachel~

" Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

[Guest guest]

& ,

Sure, gravel can build up on the walls of the gallblader, clog the

opening to the cystic duct, clog up the common duct itself as it

clings to the sides of the ducts and cause a colic attack. The small

stuff seems to create colic even more than a large stone. The large

stone will sometimes be too big to even block the mouth of the

gallblader and the bile will still flow past without obstruction.

Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something

that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.

Barry.

> In a message dated 4/5/02 10:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> teresa@t... writes:

>

>

> > if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I

>

> Just a theory here, but isn't it possible that the gravel could

clump

> together and cause a similar problem as a big stone?

>

> just throwing out a theory.

> rachel~

> " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

On the subject of gravel I want to say that today I used the epsom salts without

the oil and I had tons of gravel spill out of me...and some that looked like

stones....now I did not use any olive oil at all......any take on this?

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: barry91162

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 8:29 PM

Subject: Re: Flush 2

& ,

Sure, gravel can build up on the walls of the gallblader, clog the

opening to the cystic duct, clog up the common duct itself as it

clings to the sides of the ducts and cause a colic attack. The small

stuff seems to create colic even more than a large stone. The large

stone will sometimes be too big to even block the mouth of the

gallblader and the bile will still flow past without obstruction.

Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something

that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.

Barry.

> In a message dated 4/5/02 10:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> teresa@t... writes:

>

>

> > if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I

>

> Just a theory here, but isn't it possible that the gravel could

clump

> together and cause a similar problem as a big stone?

>

> just throwing out a theory.

> rachel~

> " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lu,

There can be many reasons for this depending on many factors.

Those stones, gravel, sludge can come from your ducts relaxing from

the ES intake and cleaning out the excess from your last cleanse.

When was your last flush? I've found that for up to normally one

week, and even two weeks, that my body will continue to mini-flush as

I eat fats and as the oil finishes coursing through my system. This

is why a lot of mini-flushes happen when you are doing regular

flushing. Gravel can be in your gb, ducts, intestine, colon area and

may still be traveling out. Without the oil, you are missing the

contraction effect but with the ES you are getting a 'relaxing'

effect on many areas in your body.

As far as stones, that would depend on if they are hard marble formed

stones or if they are blobs of softer bile balls. Those blobs of bile

balls will normally travel out of your body with stool but an

excellerated effect could cause them to ball. Did you break one

open? You normally won't see that form of bile in your stool but an

intake of ES or mini-flush will eliminate them faster for better

viewing. If they were hard stones, congratulations on doing a flush

without oil. haha Or, they could have been hanging around from the

last cleanse. It would be great to contract the gb and get a full

flush without oil but it is a wishful thought only. :-)

Barry.

> > In a message dated 4/5/02 10:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > teresa@t... writes:

> >

> >

> > > if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I

> >

> > Just a theory here, but isn't it possible that the gravel could

> clump

> > together and cause a similar problem as a big stone?

> >

> > just throwing out a theory.

> > rachel~

> > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Barry,

No I didn't take particular interest in it all as we had lots going on around

here today but had it not been so busy I would have investigated further about

the stones....now it has been sometime before my last flush....I think it has

been 3 weeks.....I was feeling really good this week until Friday when I had a

cup of French Vanilla Cappuccino and then I felt awful all week-end that is why

I started the ES today with the apple juice...I have drank a quart of apple

juice today with a pear and I started to eat some pasta but it was mushy so I

tossed it out. I am going to do a flush in a few days and see what happens but

i want to wait until after that CT Scan if I decide to acquiesce with the doc's

wishes.

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: barry91162

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:08 PM

Subject: Re: Flush 2

Hi Lu,

There can be many reasons for this depending on many factors.

Those stones, gravel, sludge can come from your ducts relaxing from

the ES intake and cleaning out the excess from your last cleanse.

When was your last flush? I've found that for up to normally one

week, and even two weeks, that my body will continue to mini-flush as

I eat fats and as the oil finishes coursing through my system. This

is why a lot of mini-flushes happen when you are doing regular

flushing. Gravel can be in your gb, ducts, intestine, colon area and

may still be traveling out. Without the oil, you are missing the

contraction effect but with the ES you are getting a 'relaxing'

effect on many areas in your body.

As far as stones, that would depend on if they are hard marble formed

stones or if they are blobs of softer bile balls. Those blobs of bile

balls will normally travel out of your body with stool but an

excellerated effect could cause them to ball. Did you break one

open? You normally won't see that form of bile in your stool but an

intake of ES or mini-flush will eliminate them faster for better

viewing. If they were hard stones, congratulations on doing a flush

without oil. haha Or, they could have been hanging around from the

last cleanse. It would be great to contract the gb and get a full

flush without oil but it is a wishful thought only. :-)

Barry.

> > In a message dated 4/5/02 10:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > teresa@t... writes:

> >

> >

> > > if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I

> >

> > Just a theory here, but isn't it possible that the gravel could

> clump

> > together and cause a similar problem as a big stone?

> >

> > just throwing out a theory.

> > rachel~

> > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Lu,

Maybe you created sort of a mini-flush contraction within your gb by

drinking the cap and that tighening feeling was the sludge and stones

passing down to your intestines. Then, the juice and ES would relax

the ducts, intestines, and colon and the whole blasted mess came out

for you to see. Sounds good no matter how it came out, right?

Congratulations!!! Hope it helps to make you feel better.

Barry.

> > > In a message dated 4/5/02 10:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > teresa@t... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > > if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I

> > >

> > > Just a theory here, but isn't it possible that the gravel could

> > clump

> > > together and cause a similar problem as a big stone?

> > >

> > > just throwing out a theory.

> > > rachel~

> > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Barry,

That could very well be....that Cap sure did me in...won't indulge in one of

those for a long time....just the thought gives me the queasies. lol

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: barry91162

gallstones

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 7:26 PM

Subject: Re: Flush 2

Lu,

Maybe you created sort of a mini-flush contraction within your gb by

drinking the cap and that tighening feeling was the sludge and stones

passing down to your intestines. Then, the juice and ES would relax

the ducts, intestines, and colon and the whole blasted mess came out

for you to see. Sounds good no matter how it came out, right?

Congratulations!!! Hope it helps to make you feel better.

Barry.

> > > In a message dated 4/5/02 10:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > teresa@t... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > > if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I

> > >

> > > Just a theory here, but isn't it possible that the gravel could

> > clump

> > > together and cause a similar problem as a big stone?

> > >

> > > just throwing out a theory.

> > > rachel~

> > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long!

Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any success

this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday

night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that

went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for

a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps

I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I

should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and olive oil

for the rest of my days!

Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing..

Words of encouragement welcome people!!!

in hope,

-----Original Message-----

Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something

that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.

Barry.

[Guest guest]

;

I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the

cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy

condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just

isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag.

I was told by my doctor in February of 99 to have my gallbladder removed

within the next two weeks after an MRI showed it to be thickened, therefore

diseased, and having " A " stone. He stated to me, and my wife, that my

gallbladder probably hadn't been working well for the last ten years. I

didn't like the idea of losing something with which I had started my life

and so because of that started my research on the gallbladder and

alternatives to having it cut out. I started flushing after doing some

preliminary work of detoxing and changing my diet from a high fat to a much

reduced intake of fat. Of course at the time I really didn't understand the

differences in fats and my misunderstanding led to some other problems

later, after I was now stone free, and had a gallbladder that looked as

normal as anyother gallbladder would in an ultrasound.

I too thought that after having done my first flush I was totally stone free

and that I could eat a nice meal at a resturant without having to worry

about the attacks again. Little did I know at that time that it was going to

be some months before that would be a reality, and after a lot of attacks

that would occur when I would fall off the wagon, so to speak. Even though I

now can eat pretty much with impunity, I still will get warning notes of

discomfort if I eat things that are too fatty with hydrogenated fat or

animal fat, which is a saturated fat. But, I still have my gallbladder and

it appears from my movements that it's working just fine.

Flushing is something that the body would normally do without you even being

concerned with the process if you happened to be eating the right

combinations of foods, along with exercise, and didn't have some genetic

predisposition to a particular disaease. So, I can certainly appreciate just

how you feel about being locked into doing something so distastefull as

taking Epsom Salts, and then a concoction of extra virgin olive oil and a

fresh squeezed fruit juice.

The important thing to remember is the fact that stones didn't occur without

the body haveing something out of balance. So, sometimes it just takes more

time to get back the balance it needs to function correctly, or at least at

a good stubble. Flushing isn't a silver bullet to good health that one shot

does it. Shoot, even if you take an antibiotic you have to take it

religiously to hopefully kill a bacteria infection, and if it happens to be

a wound it may be necessary to clean that wound daily while the healing

process is taking place.

Needless to say, but disease leads to dis-ease and that is from which we're

all trying to get away.

Dale

>>>>>>>>>>>>

just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long!

Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any success

this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday

night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that

went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for

a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps

I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I

should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and olive oil

for the rest of my days!

Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing..

Words of encouragement welcome people!!!

in hope,

-----Original Message-----

Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something

that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can.

Barry.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Lu,

I'd never give up my cappucino for anything. :-)

Barry.

" A Rolling Gallstone collects no cholesterol "

> > > > In a message dated 4/5/02 10:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > > teresa@t... writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do

I

> > > >

> > > > Just a theory here, but isn't it possible that the gravel

could

> > > clump

> > > > together and cause a similar problem as a big stone?

> > > >

> > > > just throwing out a theory.

> > > > rachel~

> > > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >