Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 ROAR!! Oh I love your quote down there.....now I do say you are a creative sort for sure! ,-) Peace Lu ----- Original Message ----- From: barry91162 gallstones Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: Flush 2 Lu, I'd never give up my cappucino for anything. :-) Barry. " A Rolling Gallstone collects no cholesterol " > > > > In a message dated 4/5/02 10:57:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > teresa@t... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I don't have any big stones, just gravel, why oh why do I > > > > > > > > Just a theory here, but isn't it possible that the gravel could > > > clump > > > > together and cause a similar problem as a big stone? > > > > > > > > just throwing out a theory. > > > > rachel~ > > > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 , If this is only your second flush you are still too early to see the final results. You shouldn't be discouraged until you do at least 10 flushes. I know it sounds tough but there may be a lot of stones in the back of the gb that are moving forward to exit. You may have many years of gunk and toxins to clear out. Rome wasn't built on one or two flushes. :-) Keep flushing. Some people are lucky enough to get the sludge, sand, or colic stones out on the first flush but most of the stories and people in the group are having to flush many times to get clear. We all want to be the lucky flusher but unfortunetly it is more of a lifestyle change of good dieting and cleansing over an extended period of time. Also, if you gb is at the stage or age of producing stones and colic you will most likely have to maintenance cleanse twice a year for the rest of your life. That's seems to just be the name of the game here. Even if you get them out with flushing, 50% of the people who start producing symptomatic colic problems from stones will reaccure within months or years again. I had the same results as you and even after 8 cleanses and getting over 2,000 of those liver globs of bile balls out of my body, I still have the 1 cm hard stone in my gb laughing at me twice a week. Laughing at me to the point of tears!!! You should check your progress by ultrasound to see if you still have a hard gb stone that is causing your colic. You need to know what it is you are going into battle against. Some people don't know, or want to know, but I think it is important to know your progress and exact problem. 'Know your Stone " is my moto. Know what it is, why it causes pain for you, and when it causes pain, control it, and start to correct it once and for all. Good luck with that. Some people do actually open a can of worms in as far as they awake sleeping 'silent' stones. You will have to get those out as well now that you have woken them up. It is good to wake them and get them out before they cause you pain later. Good luck again if that is what you did. I personally think you didn't do that but that you are still experiencing the problem of your original colic. Stones in the gb trying to move out the samller cystic duct is usually the cause for colic, not sandy stuff in the ducts. Check ultrasound is all I can suggest to be sure what is in your gb. Hope this helps in some way. Do at least 10 flushes and then re- evaluate your plan of attack, if you still have one. :-) Be Healthy. Barry. > just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long! > > Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any success > this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday > night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that > went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for > a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps > I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I > should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and olive oil > for the rest of my days! > > Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing.. > Words of encouragement welcome people!!! > > in hope, > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something > that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can. > > Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 But Barry, don't you think that the sandy stuff can be quite irritating on the delicate tissues inside? I know that when I have passed that amount of sandy stuff and I see it and think, " oh my word, no wonder my innards hurt so sorely " . But you are right about the pain being different than a gallstone, I could imagine because I do believe I have passed them over the last 10 years and it feels like a knife so bad you lose your breath and then you wince and moan and soon after about 5 minutes it goes away....oh I had that happen many times to me over the years and I bet it was from small stones moving out. Anyhow, I can't imagine having the kind of colic pain you describe from the one that laughs in your face, shame on it, anyhow, ROFLOL...your a nut! Have you tried accupressure? Oh speaking of which, someone on the list before I went on digest a while back had mentioned ear flushing and wanted to know if it had to do with gallbladder....I found in my accupressure books that indeed that the two are related...I wish I had wrote myself a note where exactly I found it so I could post it to the list...I will keep my eyes peeled for it at best. Peace Lu ----- Original Message ----- From: barry91162 gallstones Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Flush 2 , If this is only your second flush you are still too early to see the final results. You shouldn't be discouraged until you do at least 10 flushes. I know it sounds tough but there may be a lot of stones in the back of the gb that are moving forward to exit. You may have many years of gunk and toxins to clear out. Rome wasn't built on one or two flushes. :-) Keep flushing. Some people are lucky enough to get the sludge, sand, or colic stones out on the first flush but most of the stories and people in the group are having to flush many times to get clear. We all want to be the lucky flusher but unfortunetly it is more of a lifestyle change of good dieting and cleansing over an extended period of time. Also, if you gb is at the stage or age of producing stones and colic you will most likely have to maintenance cleanse twice a year for the rest of your life. That's seems to just be the name of the game here. Even if you get them out with flushing, 50% of the people who start producing symptomatic colic problems from stones will reaccure within months or years again. I had the same results as you and even after 8 cleanses and getting over 2,000 of those liver globs of bile balls out of my body, I still have the 1 cm hard stone in my gb laughing at me twice a week. Laughing at me to the point of tears!!! You should check your progress by ultrasound to see if you still have a hard gb stone that is causing your colic. You need to know what it is you are going into battle against. Some people don't know, or want to know, but I think it is important to know your progress and exact problem. 'Know your Stone " is my moto. Know what it is, why it causes pain for you, and when it causes pain, control it, and start to correct it once and for all. Good luck with that. Some people do actually open a can of worms in as far as they awake sleeping 'silent' stones. You will have to get those out as well now that you have woken them up. It is good to wake them and get them out before they cause you pain later. Good luck again if that is what you did. I personally think you didn't do that but that you are still experiencing the problem of your original colic. Stones in the gb trying to move out the samller cystic duct is usually the cause for colic, not sandy stuff in the ducts. Check ultrasound is all I can suggest to be sure what is in your gb. Hope this helps in some way. Do at least 10 flushes and then re- evaluate your plan of attack, if you still have one. :-) Be Healthy. Barry. > just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long! > > Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any success > this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday > night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that > went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for > a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps > I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I > should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and olive oil > for the rest of my days! > > Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing.. > Words of encouragement welcome people!!! > > in hope, > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something > that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can. > > Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Dale, This is a great testimony. I was wondering something about your story. If you've been flushing for 3 years, have cleaned up your diet and are watching everything 'going in' so well, and you have a clean ultrasound now, why do you feel you are still having discomfort? Do you think your bile within your gb is still producing stones that need to be cleanses out? Do you think sludge is building up causing the discomfort? I was just curious to know what you think it would take for you to be totally discomfort free. Besides 'baksliding' every now and then, do you think you will have to watch you diet and fragile gallbladder for the rest of your life or do you think it has an end soon? Good luck with your search for pain-free life. Barry. > ; > > I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the > cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy > condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just > isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag. > > I was told by my doctor in February of 99 to have my gallbladder removed > within the next two weeks after an MRI showed it to be thickened, therefore > diseased, and having " A " stone. He stated to me, and my wife, that my > gallbladder probably hadn't been working well for the last ten years. I > didn't like the idea of losing something with which I had started my life > and so because of that started my research on the gallbladder and > alternatives to having it cut out. I started flushing after doing some > preliminary work of detoxing and changing my diet from a high fat to a much > reduced intake of fat. Of course at the time I really didn't understand the > differences in fats and my misunderstanding led to some other problems > later, after I was now stone free, and had a gallbladder that looked as > normal as anyother gallbladder would in an ultrasound. > > I too thought that after having done my first flush I was totally stone free > and that I could eat a nice meal at a resturant without having to worry > about the attacks again. Little did I know at that time that it was going to > be some months before that would be a reality, and after a lot of attacks > that would occur when I would fall off the wagon, so to speak. Even though I > now can eat pretty much with impunity, I still will get warning notes of > discomfort if I eat things that are too fatty with hydrogenated fat or > animal fat, which is a saturated fat. But, I still have my gallbladder and > it appears from my movements that it's working just fine. > > Flushing is something that the body would normally do without you even being > concerned with the process if you happened to be eating the right > combinations of foods, along with exercise, and didn't have some genetic > predisposition to a particular disaease. So, I can certainly appreciate just > how you feel about being locked into doing something so distastefull as > taking Epsom Salts, and then a concoction of extra virgin olive oil and a > fresh squeezed fruit juice. > > The important thing to remember is the fact that stones didn't occur without > the body haveing something out of balance. So, sometimes it just takes more > time to get back the balance it needs to function correctly, or at least at > a good stubble. Flushing isn't a silver bullet to good health that one shot > does it. Shoot, even if you take an antibiotic you have to take it > religiously to hopefully kill a bacteria infection, and if it happens to be > a wound it may be necessary to clean that wound daily while the healing > process is taking place. > > Needless to say, but disease leads to dis-ease and that is from which we're > all trying to get away. > > Dale > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long! > > Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any success > this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday > night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that > went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for > a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps > I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I > should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and olive oil > for the rest of my days! > > Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing.. > Words of encouragement welcome people!!! > > in hope, > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something > that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can. > > Barry. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Speaking of hydrogenated fats, I have a problem ..........now I have tried to find an alternative for them at Wholefoods, a few different cookies, but nothing compares to an Oreo....oh oh who's that flusher with the oreo cookie....ahahahaha......Not that I eat them daily or anything but when I do have occassion to them....I eat a good dozen of them with coffee....oh you talk about naughty. Anyhow, I do miss my Oreo cookies and if I can ever find an alternative to them I will give them up because I know they do cause me trouble. To eat or not to eat, that is the question for me....and quite frankly I have given so much to my diet in my life that I would just like to once in my life splurge like normal people do.....*sigh* Peace Lu ----- Original Message ----- From: barry91162 gallstones Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Flush 2 Dale, This is a great testimony. I was wondering something about your story. If you've been flushing for 3 years, have cleaned up your diet and are watching everything 'going in' so well, and you have a clean ultrasound now, why do you feel you are still having discomfort? Do you think your bile within your gb is still producing stones that need to be cleanses out? Do you think sludge is building up causing the discomfort? I was just curious to know what you think it would take for you to be totally discomfort free. Besides 'baksliding' every now and then, do you think you will have to watch you diet and fragile gallbladder for the rest of your life or do you think it has an end soon? Good luck with your search for pain-free life. Barry. > ; > > I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the > cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy > condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just > isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag. > > I was told by my doctor in February of 99 to have my gallbladder removed > within the next two weeks after an MRI showed it to be thickened, therefore > diseased, and having " A " stone. He stated to me, and my wife, that my > gallbladder probably hadn't been working well for the last ten years. I > didn't like the idea of losing something with which I had started my life > and so because of that started my research on the gallbladder and > alternatives to having it cut out. I started flushing after doing some > preliminary work of detoxing and changing my diet from a high fat to a much > reduced intake of fat. Of course at the time I really didn't understand the > differences in fats and my misunderstanding led to some other problems > later, after I was now stone free, and had a gallbladder that looked as > normal as anyother gallbladder would in an ultrasound. > > I too thought that after having done my first flush I was totally stone free > and that I could eat a nice meal at a resturant without having to worry > about the attacks again. Little did I know at that time that it was going to > be some months before that would be a reality, and after a lot of attacks > that would occur when I would fall off the wagon, so to speak. Even though I > now can eat pretty much with impunity, I still will get warning notes of > discomfort if I eat things that are too fatty with hydrogenated fat or > animal fat, which is a saturated fat. But, I still have my gallbladder and > it appears from my movements that it's working just fine. > > Flushing is something that the body would normally do without you even being > concerned with the process if you happened to be eating the right > combinations of foods, along with exercise, and didn't have some genetic > predisposition to a particular disaease. So, I can certainly appreciate just > how you feel about being locked into doing something so distastefull as > taking Epsom Salts, and then a concoction of extra virgin olive oil and a > fresh squeezed fruit juice. > > The important thing to remember is the fact that stones didn't occur without > the body haveing something out of balance. So, sometimes it just takes more > time to get back the balance it needs to function correctly, or at least at > a good stubble. Flushing isn't a silver bullet to good health that one shot > does it. Shoot, even if you take an antibiotic you have to take it > religiously to hopefully kill a bacteria infection, and if it happens to be > a wound it may be necessary to clean that wound daily while the healing > process is taking place. > > Needless to say, but disease leads to dis-ease and that is from which we're > all trying to get away. > > Dale > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long! > > Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any success > this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on Friday > night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain that > went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain free for > a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear that perhaps > I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and perhaps I > should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and olive oil > for the rest of my days! > > Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from flushing.. > Words of encouragement welcome people!!! > > in hope, > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something > that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can. > > Barry. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Lu, Ear flushing? I don't mind having my head down sideways in the toilet but all those stones coming out my ears sounds pretty nasty. haha I wish I had only sand and small stones causing colic on the way out. Unfortunetly my gallstone is hard and over twice the size of my cystic duct. Dieting hasn't decreased the size. 8 flushes over 4 months hasn't helped it either. I'll look into the ear flush before surgery. haha Barry. > > just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long! > > > > Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any > success > > this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on > Friday > > night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain > that > > went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain > free for > > a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear > that perhaps > > I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and > perhaps I > > should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and > olive oil > > for the rest of my days! > > > > Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from > flushing.. > > Words of encouragement welcome people!!! > > > > in hope, > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something > > that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can. > > > > Barry. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Lu, Oreo cookies, surgery, oreo cookies, surgery, oreo cookies, surgery. That's your options. haha And don't think you can substitute them for glazed donuts or french fries. haha Everyone is searching for a pain-free, happy, and healthy life. We have to always give and take in those areas. Everyone's threshold of pain and tolerance is different. Be strong but be happy. Good luck with your search for 'you'. Barry. " The Year of the Stone " . > > ; > > > > I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the > > cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a > healthy > > condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill > it just > > isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag. > > > > I was told by my doctor in February of 99 to have my gallbladder > removed > > within the next two weeks after an MRI showed it to be thickened, > therefore > > diseased, and having " A " stone. He stated to me, and my wife, that > my > > gallbladder probably hadn't been working well for the last ten > years. I > > didn't like the idea of losing something with which I had started > my life > > and so because of that started my research on the gallbladder and > > alternatives to having it cut out. I started flushing after doing > some > > preliminary work of detoxing and changing my diet from a high fat > to a much > > reduced intake of fat. Of course at the time I really didn't > understand the > > differences in fats and my misunderstanding led to some other > problems > > later, after I was now stone free, and had a gallbladder that > looked as > > normal as anyother gallbladder would in an ultrasound. > > > > I too thought that after having done my first flush I was totally > stone free > > and that I could eat a nice meal at a resturant without having to > worry > > about the attacks again. Little did I know at that time that it was > going to > > be some months before that would be a reality, and after a lot of > attacks > > that would occur when I would fall off the wagon, so to speak. Even > though I > > now can eat pretty much with impunity, I still will get warning > notes of > > discomfort if I eat things that are too fatty with hydrogenated fat > or > > animal fat, which is a saturated fat. But, I still have my > gallbladder and > > it appears from my movements that it's working just fine. > > > > Flushing is something that the body would normally do without you > even being > > concerned with the process if you happened to be eating the right > > combinations of foods, along with exercise, and didn't have some > genetic > > predisposition to a particular disaease. So, I can certainly > appreciate just > > how you feel about being locked into doing something so > distastefull as > > taking Epsom Salts, and then a concoction of extra virgin olive oil > and a > > fresh squeezed fruit juice. > > > > The important thing to remember is the fact that stones didn't > occur without > > the body haveing something out of balance. So, sometimes it just > takes more > > time to get back the balance it needs to function correctly, or at > least at > > a good stubble. Flushing isn't a silver bullet to good health that > one shot > > does it. Shoot, even if you take an antibiotic you have to take it > > religiously to hopefully kill a bacteria infection, and if it > happens to be > > a wound it may be necessary to clean that wound daily while the > healing > > process is taking place. > > > > Needless to say, but disease leads to dis-ease and that is from > which we're > > all trying to get away. > > > > Dale > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long! > > > > Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any > success > > this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on > Friday > > night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain > that > > went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain > free for > > a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear > that perhaps > > I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and > perhaps I > > should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and > olive oil > > for the rest of my days! > > > > Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from > flushing.. > > Words of encouragement welcome people!!! > > > > in hope, > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something > > that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can. > > > > Barry. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 The class is a community education class in the Minneapolis area. Some of the members have been attending this particular teacher's classes for YEARS. (Hope we are not becoming offensive in some way.) Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Lulu <demi111@...> <gallstones > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Re: Flush 2 Hi Ann, I hope this goes through...I just responded to this and got a message back that my message was quarantined due to language content...roflol...well I was commenting on how self treating was really great but when a person who knows what they are doing treats you it is so much more effective. Also I wanted to know if you would tell me a bit about your sister's class...I'm afraid that may have triggered the sensitive gnome but yours came through...hmmm...roflol Peace Lu ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann Staley gallstones Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:09 PM Subject: Re: Re: Flush 2 Our parts are so wondrously connected.... My sister attended her first Tai Chi Dong class and did the part that treats sinuses. Her sinuses began to drain, and she was unaware of any sinus " problem' " in herself. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Lulu <demi111@...> <gallstones > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Re: Flush 2 ROFLOL...I am so sorry, I did word that strangely now didn't I? Anyhow, someone had said they had this whooshing going on in the ear like it was clearing out after or during a flush (?)....anyhow they wanted to know if this had anything to do with the gallbladder flush....turns out yes they are the same meridian zone....I think that is what I read in the accupuncture stuff....anyhow...oh boy...I guess I asked for that, huh?!? hahaha...... Peace Lu ----- Original Message ----- From: barry91162 gallstones Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:05 PM Subject: Re: Flush 2 Lu, Ear flushing? I don't mind having my head down sideways in the toilet but all those stones coming out my ears sounds pretty nasty. haha I wish I had only sand and small stones causing colic on the way out. Unfortunetly my gallstone is hard and over twice the size of my cystic duct. Dieting hasn't decreased the size. 8 flushes over 4 months hasn't helped it either. I'll look into the ear flush before surgery. haha Barry. > > just quickly stepping in here, work is v busy so can't stop long! > > > > Barry, gravel it may or may not be, but I don't know if I had any > success > > this time with flush 2 and today, being Tuesday after the flush on > Friday > > night/Saturday I had the threat of an attack (a tiny amount of pain > that > > went away)... that was pretty disappointing, I expected to be pain > free for > > a lot longer than just a couple of days - I am starting to fear > that perhaps > > I have opened a can of worms starting this flushing thing, and > perhaps I > > should have left it alone - I am not interested in epsom salts and > olive oil > > for the rest of my days! > > > > Overreaction that may be, but I have yet to see good results from > flushing.. > > Words of encouragement welcome people!!! > > > > in hope, > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > Only gravel? Do a flush now before those grains grow into something > > that won't flush out!!! Go for it. Clean while you still can. > > > > Barry. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Barry; I hope this helps you to understand my situation a little bit better. I have not only had gallstones but also have a situation from a past disease that is much too often a death sentence for those who have it. I have been diagnosed as having had Hepatitis C or what was known as Serum Hepatitis and Hepatitis A. I got Hepatitis C around 1968 but recovered from that, somewhat. These showed up when I had my last blood tests done in November of '99' after the liver attack I had because of having avoiding all fats, including those that are considered as necessary as Essential Fatty Acids, while attempting to rid my gallbladder of the stone that the doctors had said I had. The problem I'm up against is keeping my liver in the best condition I can by eating the least amounts of saturated and hydrogenated fats that I can and then too moderating just how many beverages with an alcohol content are consumed. I'm very sensitive to my liver's condition and therefore tend to feel it more than I would care to 'really' know it's there. I'd like it to be working more in stealth like most all organs should normally work but just plain eating tends to bring is to life and notability. So, it's because of the Hepatitis C and A that I have the discomfort but not what I can call pain. It really is just an annoyance more than anything else. My last ultrasound also showed my liver looked healthy too but did have enlarged bile ducts. I believe this is because of the flushes having caused some stretching of them for a time period. I don't know how things look today as I've not had any reason to go to the doctor or the hospital for the last two and a half years. I thank Dr. Cabot for having provided me the right information so that I could have some idea as to what to do to take good care of my liver and therefore my general health. I still do flushes. In fact I just did one yesterday. However, I do a flush that I've developed to work along with the colonics I get, when I get the time to go get them. It really is quite easy and quick compared to all the other methods that are being discussed on this group. Since when I get my colonics I do the controlling of my water supply and waste I can tend to get myself more of what are known as liver dumps than the colonist working the controls can do for me. I noted that my first experience with attempting this I had some of the most definitive of liver dumps I'd had to that date and the next day I had gallstones show in the first movement in the morning. How do I know they were gallstones? I picked them out and opened them up. So, since that first experiment I now try to make sure of the time I'm to get my colonic and take around three to four ounces of extra virgin olive oil mixed with just plain old out of the waxed paper container, not from concentrate, grapefruit juice around two to three hours before I'm to be hooked up. Did I get out any stones yesterday? Yeppers.... I got to take note of some passing in the viewing tube and then when I got home and had to go one more time before bed there were around ten or more small cholesterol stones in the water with some flakes. I only checked two of them to make sure they were stones. Did any show this morning? Nope. One thing to note about the ones I checked was that because they were not well formed I would be of the belief that they really were more likely from the liver. Dale <<<<<<<<<< Dale, This is a great testimony. I was wondering something about your story. If you've been flushing for 3 years, have cleaned up your diet and are watching everything 'going in' so well, and you have a clean ultrasound now, why do you feel you are still having discomfort? Do you think your bile within your gb is still producing stones that need to be cleanses out? Do you think sludge is building up causing the discomfort? I was just curious to know what you think it would take for you to be totally discomfort free. Besides 'baksliding' every now and then, do you think you will have to watch you diet and fragile gallbladder for the rest of your life or do you think it has an end soon? Good luck with your search for pain-free life. Barry. <<<<<<<<<<<<<, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 >>>>>>>>>>Speaking of hydrogenated fats, I have a problem ..........now I have tried to find an alternative for them at Wholefoods, a few different cookies, but nothing compares to an Oreo....oh oh who's that flusher with the oreo cookie....ahahahaha......Not that I eat them daily or anything but when I do have occassion to them....I eat a good dozen of them with coffee....oh you talk about naughty. Anyhow, I do miss my Oreo cookies and if I can ever find an alternative to them I will give them up because I know they do cause me trouble. To eat or not to eat, that is the question for me....and quite frankly I have given so much to my diet in my life that I would just like to once in my life splurge like normal people do.....*sigh* Peace Lu>>>>>>>>>> I use to do a good half a bag with a couple cup of whole milk with no problem. So, I can appreciate the missery of not having them.....(sigh...... :-( Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 Dale, Thanks for sharing your story again. I sure hope that you control your body and get everything back to great health again, and of course happiness. A lot of people are suffering with bad livers but you seem to really be aware of te problem and are taking the right steps to make it all run better. Good luck with your health. Be Healthy. Barry. > Barry; > > I hope this helps you to understand my situation a little bit better. > > I have not only had gallstones but also have a situation from a past disease > that is much too often a death sentence for those who have it. I have been > diagnosed as having had Hepatitis C or what was known as Serum Hepatitis and > Hepatitis A. I got Hepatitis C around 1968 but recovered from that, > somewhat. These showed up when I had my last blood tests done in November of > '99' after the liver attack I had because of having avoiding all fats, > including those that are considered as necessary as Essential Fatty Acids, > while attempting to rid my gallbladder of the stone that the doctors had > said I had. > > The problem I'm up against is keeping my liver in the best condition I can > by eating the least amounts of saturated and hydrogenated fats that I can > and then too moderating just how many beverages with an alcohol content are > consumed. I'm very sensitive to my liver's condition and therefore tend to > feel it more than I would care to 'really' know it's there. I'd like it to > be working more in stealth like most all organs should normally work but > just plain eating tends to bring is to life and notability. > > So, it's because of the Hepatitis C and A that I have the discomfort but not > what I can call pain. It really is just an annoyance more than anything > else. My last ultrasound also showed my liver looked healthy too but did > have enlarged bile ducts. I believe this is because of the flushes having > caused some stretching of them for a time period. I don't know how things > look today as I've not had any reason to go to the doctor or the hospital > for the last two and a half years. I thank Dr. Cabot for having > provided me the right information so that I could have some idea as to what > to do to take good care of my liver and therefore my general health. > > I still do flushes. In fact I just did one yesterday. However, I do a flush > that I've developed to work along with the colonics I get, when I get the > time to go get them. It really is quite easy and quick compared to all the > other methods that are being discussed on this group. > > Since when I get my colonics I do the controlling of my water supply and > waste I can tend to get myself more of what are known as liver dumps than > the colonist working the controls can do for me. I noted that my first > experience with attempting this I had some of the most definitive of liver > dumps I'd had to that date and the next day I had gallstones show in the > first movement in the morning. How do I know they were gallstones? I picked > them out and opened them up. So, since that first experiment I now try to > make sure of the time I'm to get my colonic and take around three to four > ounces of extra virgin olive oil mixed with just plain old out of the waxed > paper container, not from concentrate, grapefruit juice around two to three > hours before I'm to be hooked up. > > Did I get out any stones yesterday? Yeppers.... I got to take note of some > passing in the viewing tube and then when I got home and had to go one more > time before bed there were around ten or more small cholesterol stones in > the water with some flakes. I only checked two of them to make sure they > were stones. Did any show this morning? Nope. > > One thing to note about the ones I checked was that because they were not > well formed I would be of the belief that they really were more likely from > the liver. > > Dale > > <<<<<<<<<< > Dale, > > This is a great testimony. I was wondering something about your > story. If you've been flushing for 3 years, have cleaned up your diet > and are watching everything 'going in' so well, and you have a clean > ultrasound now, why do you feel you are still having discomfort? > > Do you think your bile within your gb is still producing stones that > need to be cleanses out? > Do you think sludge is building up causing the discomfort? > > I was just curious to know what you think it would take for you to be > totally discomfort free. Besides 'baksliding' every now and then, do > you think you will have to watch you diet and fragile gallbladder for > the rest of your life or do you think it has an end soon? > > Good luck with your search for pain-free life. > Barry. > <<<<<<<<<<<<<, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2002 Report Share Posted April 14, 2002 Dale, thank you for your words... I guess it is a time will tell thing.... it's the stress getting to me! (Which I know is a major source of my problems!) thanks -----Original Message----- From: Dale [mailto:Da_@...] Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2002 02:29 gallstones Subject: Re: Re: Flush 2 ; I would like to help you to understand that flushing just starts the cleansing process of getting the gallbladder and live back to a healthy condition. It is much the same as trying to clean up an oil spill it just isn't all gotten with one quick swipe of a rag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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