Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

[Guest guest]

Hi Stu - welcome

I guess nobody mentioned to you that as a member of this group you're

required to read all 10,000 message in the archives before posting.

(please don't anyone take me seriously - I am, of course, totally kidding).

I started drinking lemon water (warm, not hot) in the mornings a couple of

months ago and now it has become an ingrained habit. I've read that it's

good in so many different ways and now I just enjoy it as a part of my

morning routine.

Interesting about sleeping on the left side. I almost always sleep on my

left side. I doubt that I could even get to sleep on my right side.

Interesting info, though.

So how about an intro, Stu? What's your story? What brought you to this

great little group?

in health,

rachel~

In a message dated 4/8/02 9:51:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, usn442@...

writes:

> Just joined the group and could not possibly read the 10,000 messages

> in the archives; so, maybe am repeating something.

>

> Hot liquids; particularly, in the morning keeps you regular. For

> gallbladder problems involving calcified deposits and stones, try

> drinking a cup of hot lemon juice first thing in the morning - it is

> not that bad and can eventually bring very noticable relief to

> gallstone sufferers. Second, and probably the most important, don't

> sleep or even rest on your left side. Gallstones and other sludge in

> the gallbladder slowly migrates; by simple gravity, to the output

> portal which is heading left. With an object larger than the

> opening, it will hang there under pressure until the " squeezing

> action " of the gallbladder relaxes - that could be a couple hours to

> maybe a length of time just short of suicide. The " left side "

> syndrome coupled with late night meals is why many gallbladder

> attacks show up after bedtime.

>

> Good luck,

>

> Stu

>

>

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

[Guest guest]

Just joined the group and could not possibly read the 10,000 messages

in the archives; so, maybe am repeating something.

Hot liquids; particularly, in the morning keeps you regular. For

gallbladder problems involving calcified deposits and stones, try

drinking a cup of hot lemon juice first thing in the morning - it is

not that bad and can eventually bring very noticable relief to

gallstone sufferers. Second, and probably the most important, don't

sleep or even rest on your left side. Gallstones and other sludge in

the gallbladder slowly migrates; by simple gravity, to the output

portal which is heading left. With an object larger than the

opening, it will hang there under pressure until the " squeezing

action " of the gallbladder relaxes - that could be a couple hours to

maybe a length of time just short of suicide. The " left side "

syndrome coupled with late night meals is why many gallbladder

attacks show up after bedtime.

Good luck,

Stu

> In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> barry91162@y... writes:

>

>

> > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier by the liver

if

> > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or cold. In other

> > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the digestive tract and

> > eventually through the liver as much as room temp. fluids.

> >

>

> I've read something about that, too. It said something about how

the

> stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they can be

absorbed??

> Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I don't honestly

recall

> where I read that.

> rachel~

> " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks stu for the interesting information!

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: usn442

gallstones

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

Just joined the group and could not possibly read the 10,000 messages

in the archives; so, maybe am repeating something.

Hot liquids; particularly, in the morning keeps you regular. For

gallbladder problems involving calcified deposits and stones, try

drinking a cup of hot lemon juice first thing in the morning - it is

not that bad and can eventually bring very noticable relief to

gallstone sufferers. Second, and probably the most important, don't

sleep or even rest on your left side. Gallstones and other sludge in

the gallbladder slowly migrates; by simple gravity, to the output

portal which is heading left. With an object larger than the

opening, it will hang there under pressure until the " squeezing

action " of the gallbladder relaxes - that could be a couple hours to

maybe a length of time just short of suicide. The " left side "

syndrome coupled with late night meals is why many gallbladder

attacks show up after bedtime.

Good luck,

Stu

> In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> barry91162@y... writes:

>

>

> > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier by the liver

if

> > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or cold. In other

> > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the digestive tract and

> > eventually through the liver as much as room temp. fluids.

> >

>

> I've read something about that, too. It said something about how

the

> stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they can be

absorbed??

> Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I don't honestly

recall

> where I read that.

> rachel~

> " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! That was quick - you must have been sitting at the

computer with fingers poised. It was only a couple minutes and I

refreshed the screen to see if my posting was up and there you were.

I have only recently subscribed to - Have some

experience with my own organ disfunctions; so, thought I'd see what

is being discussed these days in the various support groups.

Had four physicians in my family - my uncle delivered me when I was

born; and, for that, I have his name as a middle name. He even gave

me my kindergarten physical a looooong time ago. Over the years as

you visit and interact at family gatherings, you have a little more

casual back and forth conversation with each other; thus, it is a lot

easier talking with family members on medical subjects than with an

unrelated, stretched to the limit, local physician - much more

informative and truthful as well.

Yep - you are already on the right track with a lemon solution; but,

you say lemon water - it is best at full strength.

Take care.

Stu

> Hi Stu - welcome

> I guess nobody mentioned to you that as a member of this group

you're

> required to read all 10,000 message in the archives before

posting.

> (please don't anyone take me seriously - I am, of course, totally

kidding).

>

> I started drinking lemon water (warm, not hot) in the mornings a

couple of

> months ago and now it has become an ingrained habit. I've read

that it's

> good in so many different ways and now I just enjoy it as a part of

my

> morning routine.

>

> Interesting about sleeping on the left side. I almost always sleep

on my

> left side. I doubt that I could even get to sleep on my right

side.

> Interesting info, though.

>

> So how about an intro, Stu? What's your story? What brought you to

this

> great little group?

>

> in health,

> rachel~

>

> In a message dated 4/8/02 9:51:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

usn442@y...

> writes:

>

>

> > Just joined the group and could not possibly read the 10,000

messages

> > in the archives; so, maybe am repeating something.

> >

> > Hot liquids; particularly, in the morning keeps you regular. For

> > gallbladder problems involving calcified deposits and stones, try

> > drinking a cup of hot lemon juice first thing in the morning - it

is

> > not that bad and can eventually bring very noticable relief to

> > gallstone sufferers. Second, and probably the most important,

don't

> > sleep or even rest on your left side. Gallstones and other

sludge in

> > the gallbladder slowly migrates; by simple gravity, to the output

> > portal which is heading left. With an object larger than the

> > opening, it will hang there under pressure until the " squeezing

> > action " of the gallbladder relaxes - that could be a couple hours

to

> > maybe a length of time just short of suicide. The " left side "

> > syndrome coupled with late night meals is why many gallbladder

> > attacks show up after bedtime.

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> > Stu

> >

> >

>

>

> " The greatest risk is not taking any.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Stu,

Welcome back to the group. Thanks for the info only it isn't true in

my case. I'm glad you said 'could be the cause of 'many' attacks -

left side.

I lay on my right side just because of this logical approach to gb

position but the colic still comes.

There is only two other explainations why right side causes colic at

night also. These should be considered.

#1. The lighter stone - heavier stone theory.

The heavier stone will roll down through the bile if you are laying

on left side, but the lighter stone will float to the top of the bile

on the right side.

This doesn't fly with me because both sides cause colic for me. So....

#2. Closed system.

The gb which is closed of air will not act like a bottle of liquid

would. The (floating and not stuck to the wall of the gb) stone will

move with the bile no matter which way you lye.

This seems the most logical in my case. May work different for others

though.

Just some extra thoughts on stone movements. :-)

Barry.

> > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > barry91162@y... writes:

> >

> >

> > > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier by the

liver

> if

> > > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or cold. In

other

> > > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the digestive tract

and

> > > eventually through the liver as much as room temp. fluids.

> > >

> >

> > I've read something about that, too. It said something about

how

> the

> > stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they can be

> absorbed??

> > Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I don't honestly

> recall

> > where I read that.

> > rachel~

> > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

OK Barry,

Pleased to meet you. Your comments are well taken as far as " lighter

than bile " type stones. However, you may have other engines running

such as high concentration of calcified substance in the gallbladder

so that the shear " squeezing " of that organ in response to food (fat)

stimulation brings on pain. Or, a small particle almost permanently

lodged in the outgoing portal duct. This would present itself with

very regular discomfort almost on a daily basis. Have you had

bilirubin levels measured over the history of your gallbladder

problem? Would be curious of know those readings.

Regards,

Stu

> > > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > barry91162@y... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier by the

> liver

> > if

> > > > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or cold. In

> other

> > > > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the digestive tract

> and

> > > > eventually through the liver as much as room temp. fluids.

> > > >

> > >

> > > I've read something about that, too. It said something about

> how

> > the

> > > stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they can be

> > absorbed??

> > > Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I don't

honestly

> > recall

> > > where I read that.

> > > rachel~

> > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hello Stu,

Well, welcome to the group. It's great that you have physicians in the

family that you can discuss things with. I'm sure that's helpful to you.

Sorry to hear about your organ dysfunction, whatever type that may be, and

hope that you find some useful information out here in the groups.

As for the lemon water - what is your source of information that says it

should be full strength? Just curious - I'm going to continue drinking it

the way I have been because that works for me. But I'm always willing to

check out other sources of info.

thanks,

rachel~

In a message dated 4/8/02 10:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, usn442@...

writes:

> Wow! That was quick - you must have been sitting at the

> computer with fingers poised. It was only a couple minutes and I

> refreshed the screen to see if my posting was up and there you were.

>

> I have only recently subscribed to - Have some

> experience with my own organ disfunctions; so, thought I'd see what

> is being discussed these days in the various support groups.

>

> Had four physicians in my family - my uncle delivered me when I was

> born; and, for that, I have his name as a middle name. He even gave

> me my kindergarten physical a looooong time ago. Over the years as

> you visit and interact at family gatherings, you have a little more

> casual back and forth conversation with each other; thus, it is a lot

> easier talking with family members on medical subjects than with an

> unrelated, stretched to the limit, local physician - much more

> informative and truthful as well.

>

> Yep - you are already on the right track with a lemon solution; but,

> you say lemon water - it is best at full strength.

>

> Take care.

>

> Stu

>

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

[Guest guest]

,

Do you use a particular source of lemon juice or are you juicing them yourself?

I have tried all of them and I like the fresh juice the best but it's not always

available in organic form in my area....do you know of an organic form that is

bottled?

Thanks

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: Rachd1961@...

gallstones

Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 4:36 AM

Subject: Re: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

Hello Stu,

Well, welcome to the group. It's great that you have physicians in the

family that you can discuss things with. I'm sure that's helpful to you.

Sorry to hear about your organ dysfunction, whatever type that may be, and

hope that you find some useful information out here in the groups.

As for the lemon water - what is your source of information that says it

should be full strength? Just curious - I'm going to continue drinking it

the way I have been because that works for me. But I'm always willing to

check out other sources of info.

thanks,

rachel~

In a message dated 4/8/02 10:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, usn442@...

writes:

> Wow! That was quick - you must have been sitting at the

> computer with fingers poised. It was only a couple minutes and I

> refreshed the screen to see if my posting was up and there you were.

>

> I have only recently subscribed to - Have some

> experience with my own organ disfunctions; so, thought I'd see what

> is being discussed these days in the various support groups.

>

> Had four physicians in my family - my uncle delivered me when I was

> born; and, for that, I have his name as a middle name. He even gave

> me my kindergarten physical a looooong time ago. Over the years as

> you visit and interact at family gatherings, you have a little more

> casual back and forth conversation with each other; thus, it is a lot

> easier talking with family members on medical subjects than with an

> unrelated, stretched to the limit, local physician - much more

> informative and truthful as well.

>

> Yep - you are already on the right track with a lemon solution; but,

> you say lemon water - it is best at full strength.

>

> Take care.

>

> Stu

>

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

[Guest guest]

Hi again Stu,

Actually, I don't follow the lighter-heavier stone idea. I like the

closed system without air theory. I have a 1cm stone that moves into

the mouth of the gallbladder and the attampted squeeze to the cystic

duct causes my colic. It is only 2 or 3 times a week, in the middle

of the night.

My bilirubin levels have been 'diagnosed' as normal and my stool

color is normal as well.

The producing of bile from the liver seems constant and the flow to

and from the gallbladder seems constant enough. The walls of my gb

are slightly bigger at 4mm and the walls look a little diseased by

ultrasound. The concentrated bile within the gb formed the hard stone

that won't squeeze out because it is hard and will not soften with

dieting and herbs. The 8 flushes I've done over 4 months has gotten

out over 2,000 globs (stones) of liver/gb bile but the stone is still

there.

Ducts are clear as far as they can tell by ultrasound.

What are you battling against in the gb area?

Barry.

> > > > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > > barry91162@y... writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier by the

> > liver

> > > if

> > > > > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or cold. In

> > other

> > > > > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the digestive

tract

> > and

> > > > > eventually through the liver as much as room temp. fluids.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I've read something about that, too. It said something

about

> > how

> > > the

> > > > stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they can

be

> > > absorbed??

> > > > Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I don't

> honestly

> > > recall

> > > > where I read that.

> > > > rachel~

> > > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

OK Barry,

Very interesting and comprehensive report. It is great that you

have taken such a strong endeavor to understand your own problem.

You didn't actually state the duration of each of the 2 or 3 attacks

per week. In my case, during a 4 year period, in the early 90's,

attacks occurred with little provocation and ranged from 4 hours to

the longest of 18 hours. I had been advised early on to try

eliminating fat and certain items that are known to trigger attacks.

This was because our company physician ran some tests including X-ray

and ultrasound, and he detected a congenital defect which placed

ducting around the gallbladder - It would take some special surgery

to accomplish safe removal.

So, I obtained all the test data and delivered to my uncle. With all

he had to tell me following his review of the tests, I have never had

an attack again, even though an ultrasound taken last year for

another problem (it is hell getting old, eh?) showed significant

calcification of the gallbladder - still no symptoms. It is from

him, I got information about drinking hot lemon juice regularly. I

did that religiously for about two months - had no attacks during

that period; so, relaxed that regiment a bit. It is interesting to

note, concerning the left side theory, I remember during one long

lasting attack prior to knowing anything about physical positioning,

that I remained on my right side through shear exhaustion for about

20 mins and suddenly, like throwing a switch, I went from near

suicidal agony to complete relieve. The possibility of my prone

position having a tie in with avoiding an attack was confirmed by him

and shown to me in a drawing he prepared and compared to the

ultrasound image. As I said, have not experienced a gallbladder

attack since June 1994.

Wonder how long do your attacks last and how long have you been

having attacks Barry? Do you remember the actual Bilirubin value?

Stu

f near suicidal

> > > > > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > > > barry91162@y... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier by

the

> > > liver

> > > > if

> > > > > > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or cold.

In

> > > other

> > > > > > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the digestive

> tract

> > > and

> > > > > > eventually through the liver as much as room temp. fluids.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I've read something about that, too. It said something

> about

> > > how

> > > > the

> > > > > stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they can

> be

> > > > absorbed??

> > > > > Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I don't

> > honestly

> > > > recall

> > > > > where I read that.

> > > > > rachel~

> > > > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/9/02 1:58:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

demi111@... writes:

> Do you use a particular source of lemon juice or are you juicing them

> yourself? I have tried all of them and I like the fresh juice the best but

> it's not always available in organic form in my area....do you know of an

> organic form that is bottled?

>

I juice my own, so I don't have info about other sources...sorry. Do you

not have access to fresh lemons??

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/10/02 9:20:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

demi111@... writes:

> Could those of you who have gallstones for sure tell me if you experience

> burning as well as sharp pain and swelling in your right side.

>

According to the doctor's interpretation of the ultrasound, I for sure have

gallstones. I've never experienced the above. The pain I've had has been

in the center right below the V of the ribs and sometimes going to my back.

Each body is different, though, and reports have been quite varied out here.

in health,

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

[Guest guest]

Stu,

My attacks last for around 2 - 3 hours and I've been having them for

close to one year now. I don't have the levels because the report is

now with my doctor. I just remember that it was (or at least showed)

normal along with blood data, etc.

Barry.

> > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > > > > barry91162@y... writes:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier by

> the

> > > > liver

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or

cold.

> In

> > > > other

> > > > > > > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the digestive

> > tract

> > > > and

> > > > > > > eventually through the liver as much as room temp.

fluids.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've read something about that, too. It said something

> > about

> > > > how

> > > > > the

> > > > > > stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they

can

> > be

> > > > > absorbed??

> > > > > > Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I don't

> > > honestly

> > > > > recall

> > > > > > where I read that.

> > > > > > rachel~

> > > > > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Could those of you who have gallstones for sure tell me if you experience

burning as well as sharp pain and swelling in your right side.

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: barry91162

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

Stu,

My attacks last for around 2 - 3 hours and I've been having them for

close to one year now. I don't have the levels because the report is

now with my doctor. I just remember that it was (or at least showed)

normal along with blood data, etc.

Barry.

> > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > > > > barry91162@y... writes:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier by

> the

> > > > liver

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or

cold.

> In

> > > > other

> > > > > > > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the digestive

> > tract

> > > > and

> > > > > > > eventually through the liver as much as room temp.

fluids.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've read something about that, too. It said something

> > about

> > > > how

> > > > > the

> > > > > > stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they

can

> > be

> > > > > absorbed??

> > > > > > Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I don't

> > > honestly

> > > > > recall

> > > > > > where I read that.

> > > > > > rachel~

> > > > > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I do have access to fresh lemons but not organic...Whole foods carries them but

it's not always convenient for me to take a two hour drive to get them when I

run out I have to wait until my next trip out that way. I thought maybe there

was a good organic juice that could be stored ......also, I wash all my produce

with lemon juice but it's the regular run of the mill grocery store stuff and

can't remember the brand off hand but it's been around since I was a kid, not

good for drinking in water though at all. lol

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: Rachd1961@...

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:08 PM

Subject: Re: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

In a message dated 4/9/02 1:58:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

demi111@... writes:

> Do you use a particular source of lemon juice or are you juicing them

> yourself? I have tried all of them and I like the fresh juice the best but

> it's not always available in organic form in my area....do you know of an

> organic form that is bottled?

>

I juice my own, so I don't have info about other sources...sorry. Do you

not have access to fresh lemons??

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

[Guest guest]

I haven't read anything that states anything about burning.

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: Rachd1961@...

gallstones

Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:40 PM

Subject: Re: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

In a message dated 4/10/02 9:20:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

demi111@... writes:

> Could those of you who have gallstones for sure tell me if you experience

> burning as well as sharp pain and swelling in your right side.

>

According to the doctor's interpretation of the ultrasound, I for sure have

gallstones. I've never experienced the above. The pain I've had has been

in the center right below the V of the ribs and sometimes going to my back.

Each body is different, though, and reports have been quite varied out here.

in health,

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

[Guest guest]

Lu,

Of course. I experience all those symptoms. Not so much the burning

feeling. Usually aching pain and sharp pain. Some swelling.

Barry.

> > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > > > > > barry91162@y... writes:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier

by

> > the

> > > > > liver

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or

> cold.

> > In

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the

digestive

> > > tract

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > eventually through the liver as much as room temp.

> fluids.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've read something about that, too. It said

something

> > > about

> > > > > how

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they

> can

> > > be

> > > > > > absorbed??

> > > > > > > Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I

don't

> > > > honestly

> > > > > > recall

> > > > > > > where I read that.

> > > > > > > rachel~

> > > > > > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes Lu,

That is the exact symptom for me. In fact, when I felt the swelling,

which was easily the size of an oversized golfball just below my

bottom rib on the right side and painful to the touch (although I

didn't need to touch it to experience pain), I knew the condition was

getting too dangerous and sought the advice I mentioned in an earlier

post.

Good luck,

Stu

> > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > > > > > barry91162@y... writes:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier

by

> > the

> > > > > liver

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or

> cold.

> > In

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the

digestive

> > > tract

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > eventually through the liver as much as room temp.

> fluids.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've read something about that, too. It said

something

> > > about

> > > > > how

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they

> can

> > > be

> > > > > > absorbed??

> > > > > > > Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I

don't

> > > > honestly

> > > > > > recall

> > > > > > > where I read that.

> > > > > > > rachel~

> > > > > > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I never had much burning pain either until after the antibiotics......anyhow I

got it under control....like a good flusher I ate my raw saurkraut and within an

hour I started feeling better.....it's those antibiotics and after I take them I

absolutely cannot re-establish the intestinal tract with just

yogurt/acidolphilus/bifidus, my tummy needs the saurkraut....how could I have

space that out?!? lol. Now my tummy is so much better today I am back to normal

once again.

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: barry91162

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:09 AM

Subject: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

Lu,

Of course. I experience all those symptoms. Not so much the burning

feeling. Usually aching pain and sharp pain. Some swelling.

Barry.

> > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/02 7:27:16 PM Eastern Standard

> Time,

> > > > > > > barry91162@y... writes:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier

by

> > the

> > > > > liver

> > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or

> cold.

> > In

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the

digestive

> > > tract

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > eventually through the liver as much as room temp.

> fluids.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I've read something about that, too. It said

something

> > > about

> > > > > how

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > stomach needs things to warm up the liquids before they

> can

> > > be

> > > > > > absorbed??

> > > > > > > Don't ask me for a direct quote, though, because I

don't

> > > > honestly

> > > > > > recall

> > > > > > > where I read that.

> > > > > > > rachel~

> > > > > > > " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/12/02 6:54:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, laser@...

writes:

> I've certainly had pain on the right side and sometimes all around the

> upper body in a " ring " .

>

> I've never had any burning or swelling in this context.

>

Ira

Have you tried the flush yet? Would you care to share the results?

in health,

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

[Guest guest]

Lu asked:

>Could those of you who have gallstones for sure tell me if you

>experience burning as well as sharp pain and swelling in your right side.

I've certainly had pain on the right side and sometimes all around the

upper body in a " ring " .

I've never had any burning or swelling in this context.

---------------------------

IRA L. JACOBSON

---------------------------

mailto:laser@...

[Guest guest]

Barry wrote:

>My bilirubin levels have been 'diagnosed' as normal and my stool

>color is normal as well.

Was this shortly after a gallbladder attack, or under normal conditions?

Similarly, what about the liver-function enzymes? What are their levels

normally, and how high do they get during or shortly after an attack?

---------------------------

IRA L. JACOBSON

---------------------------

mailto:laser@...

[Guest guest]

Lulu - do you make your own saurkraut or do you just buy

it vat made, uncanned? I remember long ago getting a recipe

for making it, and it is lost :-(

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

----- Original Message -----

From: Lulu

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:10 PM

Subject: Re: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

I never had much burning pain either until after the antibiotics......anyhow I

got it under control....like a good flusher I ate my raw saurkraut and within an

hour I started feeling better.....it's those antibiotics and after I take them I

absolutely cannot re-establish the intestinal tract with just

yogurt/acidolphilus/bifidus, my tummy needs the saurkraut....how could I have

space that out?!? lol. Now my tummy is so much better today I am back to normal

once again.

Peace

Lu

[Guest guest]

,

I have a recipe and will sent it your way. .-) I have not made mine and use

the vat made uncanned, yes...

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: L. Meydrech

gallstones

Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

Lulu - do you make your own saurkraut or do you just buy

it vat made, uncanned? I remember long ago getting a recipe

for making it, and it is lost :-(

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

----- Original Message -----

From: Lulu

gallstones

Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:10 PM

Subject: Re: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

I never had much burning pain either until after the antibiotics......anyhow I

got it under control....like a good flusher I ate my raw saurkraut and within an

hour I started feeling better.....it's those antibiotics and after I take them I

absolutely cannot re-establish the intestinal tract with just

yogurt/acidolphilus/bifidus, my tummy needs the saurkraut....how could I have

space that out?!? lol. Now my tummy is so much better today I am back to normal

once again.

Peace

Lu

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much!! I love saurkraut - do you just eat it alone?? Or is

there some special way to use it when your having trouble like you

are describing??? claudia :-)

----- Original Message -----

From: Lulu

gallstones

Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

,

I have a recipe and will sent it your way. .-) I have not made mine and use

the vat made uncanned, yes...

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: L. Meydrech

gallstones

Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: cold liquids & Tip for the Day

Lulu - do you make your own saurkraut or do you just buy

it vat made, uncanned? I remember long ago getting a recipe

for making it, and it is lost :-(