Re: The Morning After

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In a message dated 3/29/02 10:03:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,

claudiameydrech@... writes:

> I haven't seen anything yet that I visualize to be the size of what I saw

> in my ultrasound, maybe later. But I don't know what the scale of the

> image was, either. I was guestimating the size of a pea or perhaps a

> ltitle smaller, and maybe about 8-10 of them

Thanks for that great report about your flush! I'm heading out the door here

to do laundry, but wanted to comment on one thing before I go.

This is just a theory (and here's the obligatory disclaimer about not having

medical training...), but isn't it possible that what the doctors see in the

ultrasound might actually be a clump of smaller stones? I mean, it isn't

like the ultrasound is an actual photograph with detail - there's a lot

that's left up to the interpretation. So my theory is that maybe when we do

these flushes it could be getting out more than we think it is.

I know there are cases where this is known to not be the case, as in Barry

who has the luxury of inexpensive ultrasounds <grin> and can see that there

is still something in there to deal with.

But I guess what I'm suggesting is that perhaps your flush, while greatly

successful in the way it's described, was even more successful than you think

it was. Just a thought.

okay, laundry, here I come!

rachel~

" Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right " - Henry Ford

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>

>I just wanted to say that I wish you the best with your flush!

>in health,

>rachel~

Thanks so much, !

It is 9:30 am and I am feeling tired and a little head-achy, but no

nausea anymore. It has been a success so far! Let me fill you in a

bit.

Drank the Epsoms at 6 & 8 as directed, and what a difference it makes

to drink them cold and mixed with Grapefruit Juice! I used to just stir

them into luke warm water and drink, this was SOOOO much better.

At 10, the olive oil/flax seed oil/fresh grapefruit juice " cocktail " (I used

1/4 cup olive oil and 1/4 cup flax seed oil).

I lay on my back and side. At about 11, just had to go and cleaned

out I guess what was left of the work the Epsoms were doing, but that

is pretty tyical for me an hour into the deal.

From 11-3 am I had constant waves of nausea, but it never got as bad

as I remember having in the past.

At 3 am had to " go " again and was amazed to find many, Many, MANY

very small light green stones floating and settling around the edge of the water

and all throughout the water were what I believe you folks call chaff, tons

of little yellow fat globs. I couldn't even begin to count them, but everything

was very small, and I was to wiped for pictures...so sorry. But what

amazed me was that this happened so early! I used to never see anything

until around 10 or 11 in the morning, if at all.

I noticed just before olive oil and grapefruit juice my right side was

sore under the ribs and my upper right arm sore, that was gone at 3 am

and my right side not so tense.

Nausea returned from about 3:30 to 6:30, then subsided. Another

trip to the toilet at about 5:30 showed more chaf and small green stones,

but not near as many as the first go. Just went again at about 9:30 and

still more, mixed in with other " stuff " so didn't float to the top.

I haven't seen anything yet that I visualize to be the size of what I saw

in my ultrasound, maybe later. But I don't know what the scale of the

image was, either. I was guestimating the size of a pea or perhaps a

ltitle smaller, and maybe about 8-10 of them. I just drank the morning

Epsoms. Think I'll just need the one morning dose.

I am tired, did not sleep well, but pleased. The true test, of course, will

be in how well I can tolerate foods I have been avoiding, and if I am

okay, will wait until September to do this again. If not so good, will give

it another go in May perhaps. I am also hoping to clear up a skin

condition that I have had on my elbows, it's not eczema, but something

else, and also sinus pain.

Other than tired and a little head ache, I am a little tender in the

on spot on the right side under ribs under arm, but not bad. Body

feels quite relaxed, and I notice I don't have my typical backache

and my left hip isn't hurting. Time will tell whether that is from

the flush or the anti-inflammatory properties of the Flax Seed Oil.

So to me, this seems to be a success, if I get anything larger later, I'll

try to salvage and take pictures.

Thanks for your wishes and prayers, I'm not used to telling 800+

people my bathroom habits, but hey, if it will be an encouragement to

someone, then there it is!!

Loved that Bible verse, Barry, it was very calming to read, and

so very true!!

God bless everyone this special weekend, as we remember what Jesus

did on our behalf today, and Resurrection Sunday!!

:-)

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>ultrasound might actually be a clump of smaller stones?...

>But I guess what I'm suggesting is that perhaps your flush,

>while greatly successful in the way it's described, was

>even more successful than you think it was.

I do hope you are right, . I never did a flush

having seen an ultrasound before it in the past, and

just judged how well it went by how I felt and what

my chiropractor told me...so maybe it is best to just

see how I feel and not worry about the pictures. Even

if there is something left there, getting all that

junk out will make a dramatic difference!! Maybe I will

be able to eat a cheese omelette on our Anniversary

getaway next weekend after all! claudia :-)

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claudiameydrech@... writes:

> I do hope you are right, . I never did a flush

> having seen an ultrasound before it in the past, and

> just judged how well it went by how I felt and what

> my chiropractor told me...so maybe it is best to just

> see how I feel and not worry about the pictures. Even

> if there is something left there, getting all that

> junk out will make a dramatic difference!! Maybe I will

> be able to eat a cheese omelette on our Anniversary

> getaway next weekend after all! claudia :-)

>

LOL, if that's what you really want, , then I hope you are able to

have it. (I'd not want to risk being in pain on an anniversary weekend,

personally - can think of more enjoyable ways to spend the time <grin>).

I'd concur with that idea of paying attention to how you feel rather than

being overly concerned with what's in the pictures. After all, haven't we

read about how there's such a high percentage of people who have gallstones

and only a certain percentage of THOSE who actually have problems with them?

So if I was feeling better (which I am) and had a followup ultrasound that

showed there was something there, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

In a case like Barry's, of course, that's a different story. His films still

show the stone AND he's still having problems. He's just a problem child,

that's all there is to it! <grin>.

I seem to recall that he wrote somethign recently (I'm still in a blur with

all the posts from the past week!) about not being too concerned about

getting everything out and 'letting sleeping stones lay " , which makes a lot

of sense. It's nice to think about having a totally cleaned gallbladder, but

I'm not going to fret if it isn't. Besides, I'll probably never know

whether it is or isn't because here at this hospital the cost of an

ultrasound is about $700 and the insurance doesn't cover followup ultrasounds

because they aren't " medically necessary " . So I'm going to have to rely on

my inner sense about this one!

So now....inquiring minds want to know - did you have the omelette?

in health,

rachel~

" Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right " - Henry Ford

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Hey, you have to be a bit of a risk-taker to do this flush :-)) Saturday

morning I had eggs for breakfast and yesterday I had chinese food for

lunch....it had lots of oil...and didn't experience the slightest discomfort

or feeling of anything. Things I've notice improve so far are hardly any

gas anymore, no pains in the usual placed in my back (two spots

especially in spine and my hip, all gone for now anyway), clarity of

thinking, whites of my eyes look clearer, but do notice that my sinuses

have been draining a lot! I guess they are cleaning out as well. I had

lost my sense of smell and (this is an odd on) would smell odors that

weren't there, like something burning, etc. Cleaning myself out has stopped

that so far as well. I am looking forward to trying a piece of cheese later

today, and yes, will definately have that cheese omelette on the weekend.

Then have to stop all the celebrating and get back to healthier eating.

Thankfully, I have never experienced the pain that you and Barry talk

about, just lots of pressure, and some discomfort, mostly nausea.

Have a great day! (And by the way, I'm finding the advertisements that

is putting into these emails getting worse and worse...don't know

how much longer I am going to stay with these lists if this keeps up...

I mean really, the camera ad that was on this one was beyond suggestive

and disgusting!)

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

>Maybe I will

> be able to eat a cheese omelette on our Anniversary

> getaway next weekend after all! claudia :-)

>

LOL, if that's what you really want, , then I hope you are able to

have it. (I'd not want to risk being in pain on an anniversary weekend,

personally - can think of more enjoyable ways to spend the time <grin>).

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claudiameydrech@... writes:

> Things I've notice improve so far are hardly any

> gas anymore, no pains in the usual placed in my back (two spots

> especially in spine and my hip, all gone for now anyway), clarity of

> thinking, whites of my eyes look clearer, but do notice that my sinuses

> have been draining a lot! I guess they are cleaning out as well.

These are great improvements, ! Thanks for sharing. I know this will

be an encouragement to others as well.

in health,

rachel~