Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 Hi y'all: I tried to do the liver flush last week. I gagg at the epsom salts. Does anyone know how to get past this stumbling block? I tried the H method, with a straw, but yuk! Thanks for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2002 Report Share Posted April 7, 2002 thomasawall@... writes: > Hi y'all: I tried to do the liver flush last week. I gagg at the > epsom salts. Does anyone know how to get past this stumbling block? I > tried the H method, with a straw, but yuk! Thanks for any help. > You're not alone there - the archives have tons of posts about people who have a hard time with those Epsom Salts. Some have found it helpful to mix them with juice instead of water - apple and grapefruit are two juices that have been mentioned. I think you'd want to keep it to juices that are lower in sugar, but I can't remember why that is at the moment. I think it has something to do with the tarter juices having a dissolving effect on the stones, but don't quote me on that one. Some find them easier to deal with if they are cold, but I find the taste to be even stronger and prefer to leave it at room temperature. (Actually I prefer to just not use them, but that's of no help to you!) Drinking it quickly is definitely helpful, and " chasing " it with a shot of grapefruit juice (swish it around in your mouth to get rid of the ES taste), OR brushing your teeth right afterward - those help with the 'after-gag'. I wholeheartedly believe that your perception of it - your mental picture of it - makes a difference as well. In other words, if you're looking at the glass of water and saying to yourself " ew, yuck, I'm going to gag when I drink this " - that's going to affect things. After all, if you're already giving your body the mental signal to gag on it, it's bound to respond to that. When I drink that or the oil/juice mix I just remind myself how this is such a healthy thing that I'm doing for my body and that it will be down in a few seconds and done with. Putting a positive mental spin on it makes a difference. The mind is, after all, connected to the rest of the body. Others will probably have other ideas, as well. There are very few people, after all, who actually LIKE the taste of that stuff! good luck. in health, rachel~ " Live your dreams now. Life is not a dress rehearsal. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2002 Report Share Posted April 8, 2002 wrote: >Some find them easier to deal with if they are cold, but I find the >taste to >be even stronger and prefer to leave it at room temperature. (Actually I > >prefer to just not use them, but that's of no help to you!) I read at one of the websites that if the Epsom salt solution is warm, a smaller quantity of the powder will be as effective as a larger quantity in a cold solution. I could look up the source if anyone has any doubts and asks me to. --------------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON --------------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Furthermore, I read that liquids are excepted easier by the liver if they are taken at room temp. instead of chilled or cold. In other words, cold liquids aren't absorbed into the digestive tract and eventually through the liver as much as room temp. fluids. Nevertheless, my ES's are chilled for taste. Chilling the oil concoction is also easier for me to drink down for some reason. Barry. > > >Some find them easier to deal with if they are cold, but I find the > >taste to > >be even stronger and prefer to leave it at room temperature. (Actually I > > > >prefer to just not use them, but that's of no help to you!) > > I read at one of the websites that if the Epsom salt solution is warm, a > smaller quantity of the powder will be as effective as a larger quantity > in a cold solution. > > I could look up the source if anyone has any doubts and asks me to. > > > --------------------------- > IRA L. JACOBSON > --------------------------- > mailto:laser@i... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 My son dx'd apraxia has a new game lately. The game is putting his fingers down his throat making himself gag. This morning he actually threw up. Is this just a fun thing? A sensory thing? He does stuff his mouth with food someitmes. I mentioned the gagging to the ST and she said she only seen that once with a kid who had huge adnoids. My son doesn't have that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 My son did it to at one point...he eventually stopped. He will occasionally revert to trying it whenever I asked him to try new foods. Prior to that, he would just do it to do it...maybe it was sensory. He does have SID. " Jon and April " <jonaprilpow@... > cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [ ] gagging @yaho ogroups.com 06/07/2006 12:27 PM Please respond to My son dx'd apraxia has a new game lately. The game is putting his fingers down his throat making himself gag. This morning he actually threw up. Is this just a fun thing? A sensory thing? He does stuff his mouth with food someitmes. I mentioned the gagging to the ST and she said she only seen that once with a kid who had huge adnoids. My son doesn't have that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 My son did it too for a while and eventually stopped. I thought it was a sensory thing. Lasted for a few weeks. Moved on to biting his nails till they bleed. Unfortuanely the decreased sensory input is not giving him the pain feedback to stop. Now trying to teach him that bleeding is bad. He understands this, and will appraoch me smiling...that he is bleeding. Ugh. - RE: [ ] gagging My son dx'd apraxia has a new game lately. The game is putting his fingers down his throat making himself gag. This morning he actually threw up. Is this just a fun thing? A sensory thing? He does stuff his mouth with food someitmes. I mentioned the gagging to the ST and she said she only seen that once with a kid who had huge adnoids. My son doesn't have that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Hi, My daughter used to do this. Sometimes when she put some kind of food in her mouth and she didn't like the feel of it (and she would gag herself into vomiting by accident) and other times she'd do it for no reason at all (on purpose). She's always had a weak stomach in general. GERD as a baby, then later we had to always make sure she didn't eat or drink too much or up it would come, and she also had motion sickness in the car. Boy, those were some FUN TIMES!!! But all of these issues have disappeared along with all of the sensory stuff. Meg probably vomited over 200 times her first two years of life, while my second daughter Kate has only had it happen a few times when she had a bug. Kerri > > > > > My son dx'd apraxia has a new game lately. The game is putting his fingers > down his throat making himself gag. This morning he actually threw up. Is > this just a fun thing? A sensory thing? He does stuff his mouth with food > someitmes. I mentioned the gagging to the ST and she said she only seen that > once with a kid who had huge adnoids. My son doesn't have that.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Sorry to hear that Kerri. My parents could sympathize; I was the vomiting kid in the car back in the day. Just thought I'd mention that I've read about " typical " kids making themselves vomit in mainstream parenting magazines. This was chalked up to being a control thing. Makes sense that this could sometimes be a sensory issue too though. > > > > > > > > > > My son dx'd apraxia has a new game lately. The game is putting his > fingers > > down his throat making himself gag. This morning he actually threw > up. Is > > this just a fun thing? A sensory thing? He does stuff his mouth > with food > > someitmes. I mentioned the gagging to the ST and she said she only > seen that > > once with a kid who had huge adnoids. My son doesn't have that.... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 (posted for Maree Gooden per request) Hi (Geng): If you could somehow send this email for me to make sure it gets back as a reply all to the email below I would appreciate it!! " My family and I are in the " saliva retention, hawking to, bring up saliva, then spitting " world. My almost 6 y-o severly apraxic son started this habit 18 months ago. He eats and drinks very well. No issues there. Been to the ENT specialist too. Nothing there. After some intense behaviorial training, he stopped what was only at that time the saliva rentention behavior for a 3 month period. The training was to put him on a timer. If after 1 minute, then 5 then 10 mintues he was " empty " -- no saliva-- he woudl get a reward. It worked! Then after some cumulative routine changes (teachers, being off from school for vacation), the habit came back and has now evolved into " hawking " to bring saliva/phelgm. Needless to say it creates very awkward social situations. His behaviorial therapist has run out of ideas. Rewards, which we have changed, food items; preferred play things don't work anymore. Marcus also knows it is not desired but gets a kick out of anybody noticing him. We try to ignore it. I'm thinking of something to maybe replace the habit? He wasn't interested in a chew toy. We already tried gum, altoids, lemons.... Any new strategies not mentioned here would help!!! " Maree Gooden, Los Angeles, CA lisa_gooden@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2006 Report Share Posted June 7, 2006 Not too long ago, someone posted that their child's OT had them spray super sour sprays to treat drooling associated with open mouth posture and hypotonia. The spray stimulates the child to swallow saliva. Maybe you could try that. Your child is older, but then again he might view the sprays as a treat. Might be worth a shot. By the way, I think they used " lemonhead " spray, but there's another brand at Blockbuster Video and Bed Bath and Beyond that I've used just to stimulate mouth awareness in my child. > > (posted for Maree Gooden per request) > > > Hi (Geng): If you could somehow send this email for me to make > sure it gets back as a reply all to the email below I would > appreciate it!! > > " My family and I are in the " saliva retention, hawking to, bring up > saliva, then spitting " world. > > My almost 6 y-o severly apraxic son started this habit 18 months > ago. He eats and drinks very well. No issues there. Been to the ENT > specialist too. Nothing there. > > After some intense behaviorial training, he stopped what was only at > that time the saliva rentention behavior for a 3 month period. The > training was to put him on a timer. If after 1 minute, then 5 then > 10 mintues he was " empty " -- no saliva-- he woudl get a reward. It > worked! > > Then after some cumulative routine changes (teachers, being off from > school for vacation), the habit came back and has now evolved > into " hawking " to bring saliva/phelgm. Needless to say it creates > very awkward social situations. > > His behaviorial therapist has run out of ideas. Rewards, which we > have changed, food items; preferred play things don't work anymore. > > Marcus also knows it is not desired but gets a kick out of anybody > noticing him. We try to ignore it. > > I'm thinking of something to maybe replace the habit? He wasn't > interested in a chew toy. We already tried gum, altoids, lemons.... > Any new strategies not mentioned here would help!!! " > > > > Maree Gooden, Los Angeles, CA > lisa_gooden@... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2006 Report Share Posted June 9, 2006 Oh wow!! I hope it's a temporary thing. Sometimes you wonder if everything is related or its just it's own little thing! April >From: " " <claudiamorris@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: RE: [ ] gagging >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:00:26 -0700 > > >My son did it too for a while and eventually stopped. I thought it was a >sensory thing. Lasted for a few weeks. Moved on to biting his nails till >they bleed. Unfortuanely the decreased sensory input is not giving him the >pain feedback to stop. Now trying to teach him that bleeding is bad. He >understands this, and will appraoch me smiling...that he is bleeding. Ugh. > >- > > RE: [ ] gagging > > > > > >My son dx'd apraxia has a new game lately. The game is putting his fingers >down his throat making himself gag. This morning he actually threw up. Is >this just a fun thing? A sensory thing? He does stuff his mouth with food >someitmes. I mentioned the gagging to the ST and she said she only seen >that >once with a kid who had huge adnoids. My son doesn't have that.... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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