First (successful?) flush results

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Well, I finally completed my first flush Saturday and don't know

whether it was successful or not. I used apple juice with the E. Salts

and bumped the times up to 4:30, 6:30 and then oil at 8:30. Wasn't

sure which position to be in so I started flat on my back for 20

minutes then did the right side with knee pulled up. Didn't feel much

going on but heard a lot of sound effects. Spent a lot of time in the

bathroom Sunday and here's what happened:

first trip--1 stone, 2nd trip- about 30 stones (the best all day),

then 5 more, 7 more, 1 more, 5 more, 5 more, 5 more, 9 more, 3 more

and then 1 more for a total of about 76. Is this good for the first

time? They were all tan but with the green inside--mostly small but a

couple small cherry size. I was a little disappointed there weren't

more, especially with all the noise I heard! I know I must have more.

I had hoped to reach at least 100. H. says you must pass 2000 in

order to obtain complete relief from back pain. At this rate I'll need

20 flushes to reach that!

I wonder if changing the times was detrimental. Or maybe not using

water with the salts. Well, I will do it again weekend of 4/26 and

see what happens. Is it possible to get higher numbers on subsequent

flushes? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I got 50 stones on my first flush, 250 on my second, and about 450 on my

third.

I'd recommend sticking with the times recommended. They are not arbitrary.

They also don't change with our personal schedules. How daylight savings

time affects them I don't know. I live on the time zone border also. These

minor effects on our real time aren't as important as changing the time

altogether. The times are based on our internal daily cycle. Our internal

cycle is based on the 24 hour lunar cycle. As an experienced shift worker,

I can attest to the fact that our bodies have a schedule independent of our

sleep/awake imposed schedule. The gallbladder has a peak of energy at night

and a low of energy during the day. We get tired at night, but some body

functions perk up at night, and the gallbladder is one of them. The times

recommended for the flush are the optimum times for the bodily functions to

give the best flush possible.

The latest word is that juice is just as good as water to mix with the Epsom

Salts.

Hope this helps. Are you going to change your name to " alreadyflushed " now

:-))

Vince

>From: " wannaflush " <wannaflush@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: First (successful?) flush results

>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:02:36 -0000

>

>Well, I finally completed my first flush Saturday and don't know

>whether it was successful or not. I used apple juice with the E. Salts

>and bumped the times up to 4:30, 6:30 and then oil at 8:30. Wasn't

>sure which position to be in so I started flat on my back for 20

>minutes then did the right side with knee pulled up. Didn't feel much

>going on but heard a lot of sound effects. Spent a lot of time in the

>bathroom Sunday and here's what happened:

>

>first trip--1 stone, 2nd trip- about 30 stones (the best all day),

>then 5 more, 7 more, 1 more, 5 more, 5 more, 5 more, 9 more, 3 more

>and then 1 more for a total of about 76. Is this good for the first

>time? They were all tan but with the green inside--mostly small but a

>couple small cherry size. I was a little disappointed there weren't

>more, especially with all the noise I heard! I know I must have more.

>I had hoped to reach at least 100. H. says you must pass 2000 in

>order to obtain complete relief from back pain. At this rate I'll need

>20 flushes to reach that!

>

>I wonder if changing the times was detrimental. Or maybe not using

>water with the salts. Well, I will do it again weekend of 4/26 and

>see what happens. Is it possible to get higher numbers on subsequent

>flushes? Thanks.

>

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Hi--Thanks for your reply. I hadn't thought about all that stuff

with the body cycles and times. Also, it's nice to know that more

stones may come out in future flushes. Do you know why would be?

Maybe they just need a flush to get " warmed up " ?. You're right about

my name--it doesn't fit anymore!

- In gallstones@y..., " V. Richter " <new_man85@h...> wrote:

> Hi,

> I got 50 stones on my first flush, 250 on my second, and about 450

on my

> third.

>

> I'd recommend sticking with the times recommended. They are not

arbitrary.

> They also don't change with our personal schedules. How daylight

savings

> time affects them I don't know. I live on the time zone border

also. These

> minor effects on our real time aren't as important as changing the

time

> altogether. The times are based on our internal daily cycle. Our

internal

> cycle is based on the 24 hour lunar cycle. As an experienced shift

worker,

> I can attest to the fact that our bodies have a schedule independent

of our

> sleep/awake imposed schedule. The gallbladder has a peak of energy

at night

> and a low of energy during the day. We get tired at night, but some

body

> functions perk up at night, and the gallbladder is one of them. The

times

> recommended for the flush are the optimum times for the bodily

functions to

> give the best flush possible.

>

> The latest word is that juice is just as good as water to mix with

the Epsom

> Salts.

>

> Hope this helps. Are you going to change your name to

" alreadyflushed " now

> :-))

>

> Vince

>

> >From: " wannaflush " <wannaflush@y...>

> >Reply-gallstones@y...

> >gallstones@y...

> >Subject: First (successful?) flush results

> >Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 13:02:36 -0000

> >

> >Well, I finally completed my first flush Saturday and don't know

> >whether it was successful or not. I used apple juice with the E.

Salts

> >and bumped the times up to 4:30, 6:30 and then oil at 8:30. Wasn't

> >sure which position to be in so I started flat on my back for 20

> >minutes then did the right side with knee pulled up. Didn't feel

much

> >going on but heard a lot of sound effects. Spent a lot of time in

the

> >bathroom Sunday and here's what happened:

> >

> >first trip--1 stone, 2nd trip- about 30 stones (the best all day),

> >then 5 more, 7 more, 1 more, 5 more, 5 more, 5 more, 9 more, 3 more

> >and then 1 more for a total of about 76. Is this good for the first

> >time? They were all tan but with the green inside--mostly small but

a

> >couple small cherry size. I was a little disappointed there

weren't

> >more, especially with all the noise I heard! I know I must have

more.

> >I had hoped to reach at least 100. H. says you must pass 2000

in

> >order to obtain complete relief from back pain. At this rate I'll

need

> >20 flushes to reach that!

> >

> >I wonder if changing the times was detrimental. Or maybe not using

> >water with the salts. Well, I will do it again weekend of 4/26 and

> >see what happens. Is it possible to get higher numbers on

subsequent

> >flushes? Thanks.

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi wanna,

I didn't pass too many myself here during either of my flushes, I have done two.

Now I have been having an idea lately that maybe some of what I may be

experiencing could be systemic candida in my gallbladder, kidney, urinary

tract...has anyone heard anything like this before? It's some strange hunch I

have going on here.....I started cutting my garlic in chuncks and

swallowing....oh no, be careful, a few of these got stuck in my

throat....roflol...not funny but now that I think about it....anyhow the idea is

that the whole digestive tract/colon will get a good spurting of allicin all the

way out....that good ol' active ingredient that will contact the whole system in

it's most potent form....anyhow, trying it to see what happens here....I really

don't know what I am experiencing and this is a guess I have kind of in my own

strange thought process came to a conclusion about.

Anyhow, don't fret about not having too many stones, perhaps you are just one of

us who has a good healthy system that clears it all out very well on its own.

Thanks for sharing

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: wannaflush

gallstones

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:02 AM

Subject: First (successful?) flush results

Well, I finally completed my first flush Saturday and don't know

whether it was successful or not. I used apple juice with the E. Salts

and bumped the times up to 4:30, 6:30 and then oil at 8:30. Wasn't

sure which position to be in so I started flat on my back for 20

minutes then did the right side with knee pulled up. Didn't feel much

going on but heard a lot of sound effects. Spent a lot of time in the

bathroom Sunday and here's what happened:

first trip--1 stone, 2nd trip- about 30 stones (the best all day),

then 5 more, 7 more, 1 more, 5 more, 5 more, 5 more, 9 more, 3 more

and then 1 more for a total of about 76. Is this good for the first

time? They were all tan but with the green inside--mostly small but a

couple small cherry size. I was a little disappointed there weren't

more, especially with all the noise I heard! I know I must have more.

I had hoped to reach at least 100. H. says you must pass 2000 in

order to obtain complete relief from back pain. At this rate I'll need

20 flushes to reach that!

I wonder if changing the times was detrimental. Or maybe not using

water with the salts. Well, I will do it again weekend of 4/26 and

see what happens. Is it possible to get higher numbers on subsequent

flushes? Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have a take on whether these could cause a constriction over the

actual true waistline area...the reason I ask is because I feel like I have a

band around my waist and it is so uncomfortable...it is on the true waistline

area I am experiencing this......I am wondering if rather than gallstones this

could be from kidney stones? I have so many things floating around my head that

there probably isn't room for rocks to form...ROFLOL..ahaha....seriously

though,....*sigh* anyhow I am really curious if any flushers here have

experienced this constriction thing on the waist.

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: V. Richter

gallstones

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:30 PM

Subject: Re: Re: First (successful?) flush results

Here's an opinion for what it's worth A lot of stones are in our livers

and gallbladders. There's a lot of ducts that they are in. The flush gets

out the ones closest to the outlet into the intestines. The rest don't make

it out, but get jostled a bit. The next time, some are further down the

line closer to the opening. They get pushed out and the others get jostled

and pushed closer to the opening. All along, we make some more too, but

most of us have a half a lifetime on our bodies or more before we start

flushing. The stones are already there and I don't believe a significant

amount are made in a few months time. I don't buy the oil mixed with juice

and bile at body temperature makes soap stones either. A little study about

how soap is made destroys that theory for me, but we all have opinions and

are learning more from each other. :-)

Vince

>From: " wannaflush " <wannaflush@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: First (successful?) flush results

>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:15:50 -0000

>

>Hi--Thanks for your reply. I hadn't thought about all that stuff

>with the body cycles and times. Also, it's nice to know that more

>stones may come out in future flushes. Do you know why would be?

>Maybe they just need a flush to get " warmed up " ?. You're right about

>my name--it doesn't fit anymore!

>

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Here's an opinion for what it's worth A lot of stones are in our livers

and gallbladders. There's a lot of ducts that they are in. The flush gets

out the ones closest to the outlet into the intestines. The rest don't make

it out, but get jostled a bit. The next time, some are further down the

line closer to the opening. They get pushed out and the others get jostled

and pushed closer to the opening. All along, we make some more too, but

most of us have a half a lifetime on our bodies or more before we start

flushing. The stones are already there and I don't believe a significant

amount are made in a few months time. I don't buy the oil mixed with juice

and bile at body temperature makes soap stones either. A little study about

how soap is made destroys that theory for me, but we all have opinions and

are learning more from each other. :-)

Vince

>From: " wannaflush " <wannaflush@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: First (successful?) flush results

>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:15:50 -0000

>

>Hi--Thanks for your reply. I hadn't thought about all that stuff

>with the body cycles and times. Also, it's nice to know that more

>stones may come out in future flushes. Do you know why would be?

>Maybe they just need a flush to get " warmed up " ?. You're right about

>my name--it doesn't fit anymore!

>

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[Guest guest]

Lu,

In my opinion, the gallbladder is much nearer the true waist line

than the kidneys are. If you can feel gallstone pain in the upper

right shoulder back areas, you could probably also feel it right

below the gallbladder near the waist. I have felt that 'band of pain'

around my waist during a gallstone colic attack so I believe it is

possible.

Kidney stones would be felt closer to the groin area.

Just a thought.

Barry.

> Does anyone have a take on whether these could cause a constriction

over the actual true waistline area...the reason I ask is because I

feel like I have a band around my waist and it is so

uncomfortable...it is on the true waistline area I am experiencing

this......I am wondering if rather than gallstones this could be from

kidney stones? I have so many things floating around my head that

there probably isn't room for rocks to

form...ROFLOL..ahaha....seriously though,....*sigh* anyhow I am

really curious if any flushers here have experienced this

constriction thing on the waist.

> Peace

> Lu

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: V. Richter

> gallstones@y...

> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:30 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: First (successful?) flush results

>

>

> Here's an opinion for what it's worth A lot of stones are in

our livers

> and gallbladders. There's a lot of ducts that they are in. The

flush gets

> out the ones closest to the outlet into the intestines. The rest

don't make

> it out, but get jostled a bit. The next time, some are further

down the

> line closer to the opening. They get pushed out and the others get

jostled

> and pushed closer to the opening. All along, we make some more

too, but

> most of us have a half a lifetime on our bodies or more before we

start

> flushing. The stones are already there and I don't believe a

significant

> amount are made in a few months time. I don't buy the oil mixed

with juice

> and bile at body temperature makes soap stones either. A little

study about

> how soap is made destroys that theory for me, but we all have

opinions and

> are learning more from each other. :-)

>

> Vince

>

>

> >From: " wannaflush " <wannaflush@y...>

> >Reply-gallstones@y...

> >gallstones@y...

> >Subject: Re: First (successful?) flush results

> >Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:15:50 -0000

> >

> >Hi--Thanks for your reply. I hadn't thought about all that stuff

> >with the body cycles and times. Also, it's nice to know that more

> >stones may come out in future flushes. Do you know why would be?

> >Maybe they just need a flush to get " warmed up " ?. You're right

about

> >my name--it doesn't fit anymore!

> >

>

>

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