Guest guest Posted April 18, 2002 Report Share Posted April 18, 2002 Barry, thank you for your honest (as always!) opinion. I feel pretty much like you I think. In my case, I have only done two flushes over the past couple of weeks, and intend to stick with it for a while and see how successful it is. I don't expect it to be the absolute panacea and the answer to all my problems, but it's another thing to try. Early days yet for me. Having said that, this week has been fairly painfree... I think it is very closely related to stress in my particular case. good luck all - time to get ready for work now. At least one benefit I have received is that I am more focused on living healthy - my husband and I have been for a 45 min walk every workday morning for the past two weeks, and really enjoying it. We will build up on that too. bye for now, work calls. Cheers -----Original Message----- From: barry91162 [mailto:barry91162@...] Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:58 gallstones Subject: Re: SURGERY-STONEFREE Hi Ira, Thanks you for the best wishes. I'll try and answer all your questions. Some people may not like the answers but it is only the opinion of one. I didn't get laprascopic because the equipment was not available here in Cancun at this time. I had 'open' surgery which meant 3 days in the hospital instead of only 1 day. They want to keep you there to check for infection and feed you medication. I left after 2 days. Oh, the operation was performed by a middle aged general surgeon who had done over 200 open gallbladder removals. Excellent doc. I was very surprised that the operation was so easy. They put me out for 2 hours and I don't remember a thing. I woke up in the recovery room. The scar is the most amazing thing. I was expecting a long, wormy, ugly scar and it is exactly the opposite. It's a small 6 cm hairline looking cut with only one long-ways stitch holding it together. It looks like the scar will totally dissappear within 1 year. Amazing what they can do with cutting and stitching now. One reason my cut was only 6 cm instead of the doctors normal 8 cm was because I am thin and he could work with a smaller incision. Lapro is still the choice but the open surgery worked out just fine. I have very minimal discomfort in the scar area. Like an slight aching bruise. Only 1% of the pain caused by colic gallstones and a different feeling of pain altogether. I'd call it discomfort instead of pain. I didn't have a BM for 3 days after the surgery because of my personal stress factors and I was eating very lightly also. Was a little worried but now all is working fine down there. After surgery it takes about 3 to 7 days for the body to adjust to the change of cholesterol and flow of bile from the liver. 6 days is still too early to tell but I have been eating cheeses, popcorn, cake, etc in small amounts with no problems. I have to beef back up my weight and will be eating a lot more next week. I'll report any problems that may happen then. What was found in the gallbladder after surgery could not really be seen on ultrasound. Ultrasound showed the walls were 4mm instead of 2mm which turned out to be correct. Ultrasound showed the stone also. The grainy stuff only shows black on ultrasound and the doctor didn't expect to see anything except the stone when he opened the gallbladder. Why did I decide surgery? After 8 flushes, and still having the colic stone, I decided to take the lesser of the two evils. I can live without my gallbladder but I can't live with the pain anymore. I had lost too much weight as well and wanted to just get this gallstone stuff past me. I also wanted to have the freedom of choice with food. I want to eat what and whenever I want without pain or worrying about pain coming in the night. That is important for my own personal happiness. I have learned a lot about proper dieting here and will definitely watch my intake but I also want to have the freedom to choose. Surprises? The surgery was easier than I thought. Conclusions about cleanse methods... (This is the part some people may not like). I feel a lot different now about the whole flushing process. I think it works in the fact that it can help to cleanse the liver but I also believe that the liver is normally doing that on it's own in most cases anyway. As far as the gallbladder, I think the flush can help there also but for people with big, hard, colic stones it is a much lesser success rate. Maybe only 10% if that. I feel this is why people are flushing for months and years and still have the colic pain. Those hard stones just don't squeeze out easily. The hundreds of 'soft' stones that come out of the liver in a flush is not (in my opinion) the true definition of a gallstone. Gallstones are hard as rocks. The soft globs or balls of bile (mixed with oil or not) is not a stone or a potential problem in most ceses. Those 'balls' will normally exit the body through regular bodily function. Fasting and flushing only excellerates that process and the results can be viewed more quickly and visualably. Does the cleanse help? Sure it does. It helps eliminate toxins in the liver and ducts, sludge buildup, grainy duct sand, and potential stones. The flush is an extra boost and strength to what the body is normally doing. Will the flush get out hard, big gallstones. In my case no. In someone elses I'm sure it can. In most cases I think that is a harder battle to win by flushing. By all means it should be attempted to avoid surgery but if it doesn't work it is actually more potentially harmful to have a sluggish gallbladder or grainy sand forming more stones inside the gallbladder and should be dealt with before disease makes it worse. Maintanance. I will probably flush twice a year to help keep my common duct clear of any stagnant bile that could be forming sludge or sand. Tightness in the centralized duct area will alert me of that if needed. I don't expect that to ever happen because of the testimonies I've heard in the majority of cases but I could be another exception to that norm. Dieting well will help my liver to produce healthy bile. Hope my opinion helps in some ways. It is not meant to sway you in either direction on the debate of alternative cleansings or stones or whatever. Everyone must learn by experience, knowledge, and testimonies of others so that they can each make the right decisions and choices for their own personal health situations. I wish you great success on yours. Be Health and Happy. Barry. > Barry, > > First, I wish you a speedy recovery. I presume that you ha laparascopy > performed by a gastrologist, so by now you are certainly home and > probably nearly fully recovered. > > >I saw the cut open gallbladder before it was sent to the lab. The > >inside had some clear-whitish like puss inside. The walls were dark > >and rough looking, bulbous. Not smooth. Hundreds of blackish grainy > >stuff was inbedded into the walls and floating in the liquidy stuff. > >I'm not a doctor but I will ask him more about it on Thursday when I > >get my stitch out. I was a little out of it after the surgery. > > I wonder if and how these phenomena were observed on ultrasound prior to > your operation. Did you and the physician expect to find them? > > I'd be interested in hearing from you what brought about the decision and > what surprises, if any, there were when the operation had been > performed. Were there any assumptions that you had made that were proved > either correct or incorrect? > > And most importantly, although this might still be a bit early, can you > take one step backward (figuratively) and comment on how this experience > has affected your way of thinking and how has your approach to the > liver-GB-stone-flushing universe either remained unchanged or has indeed > undergone any modification. > > And how your advice to the rest of us has or has not changed. > > Once again, I wish you the best of health and a speedy and full recovery. > > --------------------------- > IRA L. JACOBSON > --------------------------- > mailto:laser@i... 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Guest guest Posted April 19, 2002 Report Share Posted April 19, 2002 , You are welcome. I hope my 'opinions' help someone in some way. We are all on this road to better health and happiness together and every bit of information we can get about gallstones sure does help. 2 flushes? Yes, you are still in the 'early stages'. I decided to give the alternative method of cleansing at least 10 flush attempts to stop my pain and remove my 1 cm gallstone. If after 10 tries it didn't work, I was going to look at another option called Lithotripsy. Well, I made it to only 8 flushes over 3 months, lost around 15 lbs (which is too much for me because I'm too unhealthy at 155lbs), and my dieting was causing a more sensative result in the frequency of my colic attacks. I was up to three attacks a week. Anyway, Lithotripsy was not available for me so I finally had to eliminate the problem and get back to a more normalized liefstyle again. I sure wish that you have the best success with the cleansing and that you get out the cause of colic pain once and for all. It's always better to keep your gallbladder and do whatever you can to maintain a happy and healthy life. Good luck with your search. Barry. > > Barry, > > > > First, I wish you a speedy recovery. I presume that you ha > laparascopy > > performed by a gastrologist, so by now you are certainly home and > > probably nearly fully recovered. > > > > >I saw the cut open gallbladder before it was sent to the lab. The > > >inside had some clear-whitish like puss inside. The walls were dark > > >and rough looking, bulbous. Not smooth. Hundreds of blackish grainy > > >stuff was inbedded into the walls and floating in the liquidy > stuff. > > >I'm not a doctor but I will ask him more about it on Thursday when > I > > >get my stitch out. I was a little out of it after the surgery. > > > > I wonder if and how these phenomena were observed on ultrasound > prior to > > your operation. Did you and the physician expect to find them? > > > > I'd be interested in hearing from you what brought about the > decision and > > what surprises, if any, there were when the operation had been > > performed. Were there any assumptions that you had made that were > proved > > either correct or incorrect? > > > > And most importantly, although this might still be a bit early, can > you > > take one step backward (figuratively) and comment on how this > experience > > has affected your way of thinking and how has your approach to the > > liver-GB-stone-flushing universe either remained unchanged or has > indeed > > undergone any modification. > > > > And how your advice to the rest of us has or has not changed. > > > > Once again, I wish you the best of health and a speedy and full > recovery. > > > > --------------------------- > > IRA L. JACOBSON > > --------------------------- > > mailto:laser@i... > > > > Learn more from our experience, more then 200 liver > flush stories: http:///messages/gallstones- testimonials > > Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://www.CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ > Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/forum.asp?ForumID=73 > > Images: > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/ > http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/ > > To unsubscribe, sned blank e-mail to: gallstones-unsubscribe@y... > and then reply to confirmation message! > > To Post message: gallstones@y... > Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe@y... > > Web Sites for more information: > http://CureZone.com/gallstones/ > http://www.liverdoctor.com/ > http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ > http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm > http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html > http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/ > > Group page: gallstones > > To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-digest@y... > To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-nomail@y... > To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: > gallstones-normal@y... > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the > Gallstones group on 's groups. By joining the list you agree to hold > yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > Have a nice day ! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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