Re: garlic - the other side of the story

April 12, 2002

In a message dated 4/12/02 7:10:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,

adriennelynn1@... writes:

> So, just think ....all the garlic you're eating is repeling fleas too!

> haha!

> Adrienne

>

No wonder I'm not scratching anymore! (lol - totally kidding!) That's

interesting about animals and fleas, though. It makes sense. I've read in

gardening books that it's helpful to eat garlic because it keeps the

mosquitoes and flies and whatnot away. So it stands to reason that it would

work for fleas also. I'll have to pass that info along.

But other than that, though, do you give any credibility to this idea of

garlic being toxic and something that shouldn't be consumed?? It seems that

the name on the site (Bob Beck) is one that has been mentioned out here as

one of a measure of credibility. So I'm wondering if anyone thinks this is

credible as well - the idea that nobody should eat garlic.

I'm not suggesting that I'm going to stop eating garlic because of one or two

negative articles about it. heck, if I changed my habits every time I read

something I'd be one mixed up person! I'm just wondering what people

think of it.

And now I'm going to go have some garlic!

in health (and probably reeking of garlic - good thing I live alone!)

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

April 12, 2002

In a message dated 4/12/02 8:08:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,

Da_@... writes:

> I've avoided eating too much garlic for years now because of the potential

> problems one may have with it and using a zapper because of its poisonous

> nature. I'd gotten this same information regarding this when I got my first

> zapper, i.e. black box many moons ago. I still morn the loss because I use

> to really enjoy eating roasted garlic spread on my Italian bread and then

> dipped into some Balsamic vinegar or Chianti. However, I still do eat a

> fair

> amount of it in either my Italian or Mexican foods. It's just one of those

> things that has a potential of being good and bad.

>

Thanks for your response, Dale. If garlic has the potential of being good or

bad - how do you suppose a person would know if they were having a problem

with it? Have you ever known anyone to actually experience a problem with

garlic? Someone on another list said that he stopped eating it when he

discovered the negative effect it had on his immune system. That puzzled me

because I've read mostly good things about garlic. I asked him for further

explanation but haven't gotten it yet.

I'm just intrigued by this because the only person I'd ever read about who

spoke negatively about garlic, was someone who was apparently a quack in

other areas, so I didn't give it any credibility. But I knew that this other

guy (Bob Beck)had been mentioned in a more positive light.

Well...I'll take all this under advisement and continue on with my garlic

cleanse today and see what happens.

thanks for your response,

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

April 12, 2002

In a message dated 4/12/02 9:45:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,

adriennelynn1@... writes:

> I guess I agree mostly with Dale, but in the sense that the old sayings,

> " Everything in moderation, " or " Too much of a good thing is harmful, " is

> probably applicable in this case. Some things we absolutely know are

> harmful to us, like chemical pesticides, chemicals used to process foods,

> etc., but garlic is a " nature's food, " and although there are many things

> in nature that are poisonous, I don't believe garlic is one of them...at

> least in moderation. However, I also think that garlic could be taken in

> excess of moderation for a period of time for health benefit if you find

> evidence to support it.

>

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Adrienne, I appreciate the feedback. I was

thinking about something like wormwood - which a lot of people use in the

form of parasite cleanses, but too much of that would be poisonous as well.

So I guess it's sort of the same idea?

Well, I don't have any evidence to support using garlic in excess of

moderation for a short period of time, but....in a couple of days I will have

personal experience to share. I'll pay close attention to my body during

this time, though, don't worry, and I " ll be careful.

I really value this group and the feedback that comes through on all sorts of

different topics. I like knowing that I wont' necessarily agree with what

everyone says, because there's no knowledge gained from only sharing with

people who see things exactly the same.

I'm glad to have a discussion about garlic and the caution that needs to be

used in consuming larger quantities of it. This is something that would

never be brought up in casual conversation elsewhere, that's for sure!

in health,

rachel

April 12, 2002

Hi ,

My only thought is that garlic has powerful properties that we don't fully

understand. I'll give you an example that may support the statement in the link

you posted that garlic repels insects. I live in Florida, and never wanted to

own a dog because the flea problem is horrendous here. There are chemicals out

there now that are given to dogs that kill the fleas or sterilize them if they

bite the dog. Not wanting to give a dog harmful chemicals on a regular basis, I

just thought it best not to have a dog. Then I heard from someone that if dogs

eat garlic on a regular basis, it has the effect of either killing or repeling

fleas on dogs. But, even the dogs need a break from the garlic once in a while

and you need to stop giving it to them for about a month at a time. Well.....I

have two dogs now....and absolutely no problems with fleas. The garlic I give

them is in a product especially for dogs.

So, just think ....all the garlic you're eating is repeling fleas too!

haha!

Adrienne

Rachd1961@... wrote: http://www.karinya.com/garlic.htm

Someone shared this link with me and I'm not quite sure what I think of it

yet. If anyone feels like reading it (it's not very long) and giving me

your impression, I'd appreciate that.

thanks,

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

April 12, 2002

IMHO, garlic has been used for centuries as a disinfectant and I always find it

helpful. It kills and expells worms and is a natural disinfectant. I think it is

a gift of creation to be used to heal and rejuvinate. This " study " below is the

first I've ever heard. I always get a wonderful vitamin B rush and sense of

alertness and wellbeing after taking garlic...just don't take it on an empty

stomach, as it is too strong for the digestive lining to be taken alone. This

sounds like FDA or AMA type mumo jumbo to me. of Dewberry Hill

*********************************************************

http://www.karinya.com/garlic.htm

Someone shared this link with me and I'm not quite sure what I think of it

yet. If anyone feels like reading it (it's not very long) and giving me

your impression, I'd appreciate that.

thanks,

rachel~

" The greatest risk is not taking any.

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

Holy Bible

---------------------------------

April 12, 2002

>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.karinya.com/garlic.htm

Someone shared this link with me and I'm not quite sure what I think of it

yet. If anyone feels like reading it (it's not very long) and giving me

your impression, I'd appreciate that.

thanks,

rachel~

>>>>>>>>>>>

I've avoided eating too much garlic for years now because of the potential

problems one may have with it and using a zapper because of its poisonous

nature. I'd gotten this same information regarding this when I got my first

zapper, i.e. black box many moons ago. I still morn the loss because I use

to really enjoy eating roasted garlic spread on my Italian bread and then

dipped into some Balsamic vinegar or Chianti. However, I still do eat a fair

amount of it in either my Italian or Mexican foods. It's just one of those

things that has a potential of being good and bad.

Dale

April 12, 2002

Hi ,

I guess I agree mostly with Dale, but in the sense that the old sayings,

" Everything in moderation, " or " Too much of a good thing is harmful, " is

probably applicable in this case. Some things we absolutely know are harmful to

us, like chemical pesticides, chemicals used to process foods, etc., but garlic

is a " nature's food, " and although there are many things in nature that are

poisonous, I don't believe garlic is one of them...at least in moderation.

However, I also think that garlic could be taken in excess of moderation for a

period of time for health benefit if you find evidence to support it.

Dale <Da_@...> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.karinya.com/garlic.htm

Someone shared this link with me and I'm not quite sure what I think of it

yet. If anyone feels like reading it (it's not very long) and giving me

your impression, I'd appreciate that.

thanks,

rachel~

>>>>>>>>>>>

I've avoided eating too much garlic for years now because of the potential

problems one may have with it and using a zapper because of its poisonous

nature. I'd gotten this same information regarding this when I got my first

zapper, i.e. black box many moons ago. I still morn the loss because I use

to really enjoy eating roasted garlic spread on my Italian bread and then

dipped into some Balsamic vinegar or Chianti. However, I still do eat a fair

amount of it in either my Italian or Mexican foods. It's just one of those

things that has a potential of being good and bad.

Dale

April 12, 2002

I have a study here that was done on 196 neutraceuticals in 1998. The study

evaluated :

a. increase in intracellular glutathione

b. increase in natural killer cell activity and

c. antiviral activity

It also evaluated:

a. liver toxicity

b. inhibition/activation of liver P450 path (something to do with liver detox)

and

c. something to do with toxicity to the blood (can't remember exactly right now,

sorry)

Garlic was one of 5 or 6 of the 196 tested that had no toxicty and icreased all

of a b and c above. This was a garlic supplement but it appears that garlic is

very good for you and has no toxicity.

Just a little bit of interesting info. for those interested in garlic.

> From: " Lulu " <demi111@...>

> Date: 2002/04/12 Fri PM 01:46:00 EDT

> <gallstones >

> Subject: Re: garlic - the other side of the story

>

> Hi ,

> Garlic has been being consumed for hundreds of years and I cannot see any

reason that it would pose toxic to the body unless it is grown with lots of

pesticides because I do know that the pesticides change the constiuents of the

garlic bulb. I don't have the exact place of info on this but I had found this

information years ago, before the internet highway. Anyhow, I recall this also

rumoring and running the circles about: tomatoes, cantaloupe,

pineapple.......to name a few.....the reason was because there were links to

food salmonellas and the like so people take it to the nth degree and by the

time it gets around the circle it's poisonous.

> Just some thoughts.

> Peace

> Lu

> PS. BTW, I have not had time to look at the site, just going on what you are

discussin on the thread here. Will have a look later, have to run and enjoy my

new car! ,-)

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Rachd1961@...

> gallstones

> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:20 AM

> Subject: Re: garlic - the other side of the story

>

> In a message dated 4/12/02 7:10:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> adriennelynn1@... writes:

>

> > So, just think ....all the garlic you're eating is repeling fleas too!

> > haha!

> > Adrienne

> >

>

> No wonder I'm not scratching anymore! (lol - totally kidding!) That's

> interesting about animals and fleas, though. It makes sense. I've read in

> gardening books that it's helpful to eat garlic because it keeps the

> mosquitoes and flies and whatnot away. So it stands to reason that it would

> work for fleas also. I'll have to pass that info along.

>

> But other than that, though, do you give any credibility to this idea of

> garlic being toxic and something that shouldn't be consumed?? It seems that

> the name on the site (Bob Beck) is one that has been mentioned out here as

> one of a measure of credibility. So I'm wondering if anyone thinks this is

> credible as well - the idea that nobody should eat garlic.

>

> I'm not suggesting that I'm going to stop eating garlic because of one or two

> negative articles about it. heck, if I changed my habits every time I read

> something I'd be one mixed up person! I'm just wondering what people

> think of it.

>

> And now I'm going to go have some garlic!

> in health (and probably reeking of garlic - good thing I live alone!)

> rachel~

> " The greatest risk is not taking any.

>

April 12, 2002

Yes, I give my dogs garlic as well via dog products with garlic in them but once

in a while when they get my leftover pasta salad or whatever then it's the raw

stuff or lightly sauteed.

Peace

Lu

----- Original Message -----

From: Adrienne McLaughlin

gallstones

Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:06 AM

Subject: Re: garlic - the other side of the story