Re: Laboratory test result

[Guest guest]

owever, I can tell you all that right now I

feel great as I move onto a new regime of twice-a-year flushing for

the rest of my life!

Keep on flushing! Nick

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Oh, Nick! You don't realize just HOW IMPORTANT your post is. Many of us

have been waiting to hear news such as this, even though we know we're

passing gallbladder/liver stuff and know there's stones.

You have indeed brightened my day, and I'm about 100 percent sure that you

have brightened many others day as well.

Thanks,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi:

This is from http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/Are_You_Stoned.asp

and is a quote from Dr. who wrote: " " Are you 'Stoned'? " by chiropractor

Claude M. , Edith Hiett and Leon Hiett.

To quote from Dr :

" To clarify the situation and eliminate such questions, I sent a sample of

gall stones to a medical analysis lab run by a Ph.D. who heads up the Science

Department at Texas Woman's University in Denton. He ran the necessary tests…

His analysis of the stone sample I sent was 91% cholesterol and the rest was

bile salts, water and inert ingredients. In other words, the sample had the

chemical contents of gall stones. And the report clearly states it was gall

stones " .

My opinion of chiropractors is not nearly as high as it once was, but that

doesn't detract from the lab analysis that Dr. had done. 91%

cholesterol means that they will float quite nicely. From all of the

postings and all the sites out there that have pictures, it seems obvious to

me that the flushes are producing/expelling gallstones.

By the way, that site has a flush also. Probably a little more difficult

than the Epsom salt routine, but one that I'll try on my next flush.

Jay

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your news on the gallstone analysis. I have a

question I would ask the chemist or tester:

How can they differentiate the makeup of olive oil vs. cholesterol in

their analysis? I'm curious what they'd say molecularly... something

like, " well olive oil when heated/congealed/digested/____ has the

molecular makeup of long chain fatty acid XXX, whereas cholesterol

has the makeup of strand $$$ " .

The answer to that question would give me a great comeback for those

folks that look at me like I'm wacko when I tell them I've stopped

having gall bladder attacks due to the cleanse. Did they give you a

pretty detailed response?

Thanks so much for fielding a question -

of Oregon

> However, I have now just had the results back and these confirm to

no

> great surprise on my part (I've always been a 'believer') but also

to

> my considerabe relief (I've also had that little nagging doubt)

that

> the samples I provided were definitely gallstones - 100% certain!

>

> To my surprise they contained no bilirubin, but they did contain

lots

> of cholesterol. They were very keen to stress that there was

> absolutely no doubt about the analysis, it had been carried out

very

> carefully and thoroughly.

>

> The work was done by a consultant bio-chemist at a National Health

> Service (NHS) Bio-chemistry Laboratory in Scotland.

>

> I feel pretty jubilant at this news - I hope it finally puts paid

to

> the theories floating around that what we get out is just soap or

> gobs of olive oil. Of course it won't stop the malicious doubters

> who will probably insist that I have made the whole thing up, or

else

> that I sneaked into a morgue and stole the stones from a corpse, or

> some such nonsense. However, I can tell you all that right now I

> feel great as I move onto a new regime of twice-a-year flushing for

> the rest of my life!

>

> Keep on flushing! Nick

[Guest guest]

Finally someone!

Nick, Well done job!

Agnes

At 22:53 20.04.2002 +0000, you wrote:

>the samples I provided were definitely gallstones - 100% certain!

>

>To my surprise they contained no bilirubin, but they did contain lots

>of cholesterol. They were very keen to stress that there was

>absolutely no doubt about the analysis, it had been carried out very

>carefully and thoroughly.

>

>The work was done by a consultant bio-chemist at a National Health

>Service (NHS) Bio-chemistry Laboratory in Scotland.

[Guest guest]

Nick!

I would have been happy to hear them say it was a waxy substance, but this,

Nick, has me estatic. Thank you ever so much for this post, as it will

certanly be a noted archive from here on and especially when the soap

question comes to the fore again.

This is great!

Dale

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However, I have now just had the results back and these confirm to no

great surprise on my part (I've always been a 'believer') but also to

my considerabe relief (I've also had that little nagging doubt) that

the samples I provided were definitely gallstones - 100% certain!

To my surprise they contained no bilirubin, but they did contain lots

of cholesterol. They were very keen to stress that there was

absolutely no doubt about the analysis, it had been carried out very

carefully and thoroughly.

The work was done by a consultant bio-chemist at a National Health

Service (NHS) Bio-chemistry Laboratory in Scotland.

Keep on flushing! Nick

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

[Guest guest]

His response will be, " how would

digested balls of olive oil test differently then cholesterol

gallstones? " and I'll respond... Gee I don't know...!

, There's no cholesterol is olive oil....period! I don't know where it

all goes, but I'm sure much is absorbed in your body, and some comes out.

But there's no cholesterol in it at all. It's probably one of the most

healthiest things in the world!

Susie

[Guest guest]

I appreciate the confirmation of tests that state the stones are in

fact mostly made of cholesterol.

I still have this nagging question - what would a digested clump of

olive oil look like when tested at a lab? How would a clump of olive

oil, when tested by a lab, look/test different than a cholesterol

gallstone? We can *guess* that olive oil would show up differently

when tested... I was just wondering what a lab would say the

difference was.

My curiousity is... I have one friend, a physicist, who I've had a

few discussions regarding the cleanse, and he's sceptical, but

respectful. Being a scientist, I know if I go to him and say, " well

from at least two lab tests I can document, the eliminations are

comprised of 90% cholesterol " . His response will be, " how would

digested balls of olive oil test differently then cholesterol

gallstones? " and I'll respond... Gee I don't know...!

This has been a fruitful discussion -

of Oregon

> Nick!

>

> I would have been happy to hear them say it was a waxy substance,

but this,

> Nick, has me estatic. Thank you ever so much for this post, as it

will

> certanly be a noted archive from here on and especially when the

soap

> question comes to the fore again.

>

> This is great!

>

> Dale

>

> <<<<<<<<<<<

> However, I have now just had the results back and these confirm to

no

> great surprise on my part (I've always been a 'believer') but also

to

> my considerabe relief (I've also had that little nagging doubt) that

> the samples I provided were definitely gallstones - 100% certain!

>

> To my surprise they contained no bilirubin, but they did contain

lots

> of cholesterol. They were very keen to stress that there was

> absolutely no doubt about the analysis, it had been carried out very

> carefully and thoroughly.

>

> The work was done by a consultant bio-chemist at a National Health

> Service (NHS) Bio-chemistry Laboratory in Scotland.

>

> Keep on flushing! Nick

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

[Guest guest]

At 20:32 21.04.2002 +0000, you wrote:

>I still have this nagging question - what would a digested clump of

>olive oil look like when tested at a lab?

I am not really sure what your question is!? Have you ever seen that " digested

clump of olive oil " or is that just some idea or expression?

To my knowledge, the only way to get " clump of olive oil " is to cool it down

below it's freezing point.

As that point is far below the usual temperature of human body, there is no way

to have " clump of olive oil " inside of human body.

Olive oil is always in liquid state inside human body.

Now, " digested clump of olive oil " is totally impossible, because " digested

olive oil " is never a " clump " .

" Digested olive oil " is olive oil broken down into microscopic drops mixed

with enzymes and acted upon by enzymes.

Bile is synthesized in the liver from cholesterol, water & bilirubin and stored

in the gallbladder. Most elements in the body are in a watery environment. Bile

is an emulsifier, which breaks down fat globules into smaller particles so that

they can mix with this watery environment and be acted upon by enzymes.

The partly digested food leaves the stomach and enters the duodenum where it

encounters secretions of the gall bladder and the pancreas. (Both organs " send "

it's juices down the common bile ducts.)

After a meal, the gall bladder releases stored bile, more especially if the

meal contains fat or bitter foods. People who have their gall bladder removed

(cholecystectomy) can usually still eat moderate amounts of fat, since the flow

of bile continues directly from the liver into the duodenum. Thus the problem

of mixing dietary fat in the watery environment of the intestine is solved by

emulsifying the fat with bile. Beside bile, pancreatic juice is also acting

upon fats. Pancreatic juice is deposited in the duodenum via common bile ducts

and contains enzymes that act on all three groups of nutrients: starches,

lipids and proteins.

> How would a clump of olive oil, when tested by a lab, look/test different

than a cholesterol gallstone?

There are different ways of testing different chemical compounds.

Each chemical compound must be tested in it's unique way to prove that

substance we are analyzing contains that chemical compound.

Testing if some substance contain cholesterol is not a simple test.

Cholesterol is very complicated molecule, Its empirical formula is C23H32N2O5

Olive oil is composed of those fatty acids:

~ 16% Saturated " Stearic " fatty acid 18:0 (empirical formula is

C18H35OOH)

~ 75% Monounsaturated " Oleic " Acid 18:1W9 (empirical formula is C18H33OOH)

~ 8% Polyunsaturated Linoleic Acid, (EFA) (empirical formula is C18H32OOH)

If you compare C23H32N2O5 with C18H35OOH you can see that Cholesterol contains

N2 (Nitrogen), while no fatty acid contains Nitrogen.

So, to prove that something is not a fatty acid and it may be Cholesterol, all

you would have to do is prove that it contains Nitrogen.

But, my knowledge of chemistry is too pore to know what You would have to do to

prove 100% that stones actually are cholesterol.

That is a higher science, and I don't think very many people would know how to

do it, I believe that very few labs would be able to do that kind of analyzes.

It is certainly not a simple analyzes done routinely.

But, you don't have to be a chemical expert in order to trust to someone else

who has done analyzes. I am sure that there is a book somewhere that explains

how you can analyze something to prove that it contains cholesterol.

Agnes

[Guest guest]

sp not bright green!

My Dr was claiming it was the olive oil, but olive oil only hardens

if you stick it in the fridge. At body temperature, olive oil will

be oil floating in the toilet, not a lump of hard green or other

collored stuff. My two cents. Dawn

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Hi, Dawn,

The olive oil that I use is greenish-yellow, very, very pale greenish color.

But there are different colors. Anyway, I've had many flushes that there's

no green whatsoever, just sand-colored stuff and brownish stones. Then I've

had one cleanse where the stones were larger and very dark green with aqua

streaks and stunk extremely bad. I believe those had been in there for a

long time. But it wasn't the olive oil, no.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Well, I am no scientist, but it seems like light yellow olive oil,

would not come out white, green, tan, or black. Esp not bright green!

My Dr was claiming it was the olive oil, but olive oil only hardens

if you stick it in the fridge. At body temperature, olive oil will

be oil floating in the toilet, not a lump of hard green or other

collored stuff. My two cents. Dawn

>

> My curiousity is... I have one friend, a physicist, who I've had a

> few discussions regarding the cleanse, and he's sceptical, but

> respectful. Being a scientist, I know if I go to him and

say, " well

> from at least two lab tests I can document, the eliminations are

> comprised of 90% cholesterol " . His response will be, " how would

> digested balls of olive oil test differently then cholesterol

> gallstones? " and I'll respond... Gee I don't know...!

>

> This has been a fruitful discussion -

>

> of Oregon

>

>

>

>

> > Nick!

> >

> > I would have been happy to hear them say it was a waxy substance,

> but this,

> > Nick, has me estatic. Thank you ever so much for this post, as it

> will

> > certanly be a noted archive from here on and especially when the

> soap

> > question comes to the fore again.

> >

> > This is great!

> >

> > Dale

> >

> > <<<<<<<<<<<

> > However, I have now just had the results back and these confirm

to