Re: Re: Laboratory test..Stones or bile..?

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Wow! I'm a little taken on reading this one, Barry, but I'll try to answer

some of your questions as well as hopefully correct some statements.

First lets take note of just what bile is and how it's made. Bile consists

of water, bile salts, cholesterol, bile pigments, lecithin, lipids and

electrolytes. Then too bile salts are made by the liver cells from

cholesterol that either comes directly from foods eaten or the cholesterol

synthesized dureing the fat metabolism. In the case of Olive Oil it's going

to be synthesized from its fatty structure because of the fact that Olive

Oil contains no cholesterol.

http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual_home/sec10/121.htm

We should note of what the message from Nick stated regarding the result of

the labratory test. Nick noted that they stated the material tested had lots

of cholesterol, but then Jay's addition to the thread noted a chiropractor

who'd sent a sample to be tested and it was found to be 91% cholesterol.

This would have usually been reported as a waxy substance or fecal matter

but was noted specifically as cholesterol because of some other specially

ordered chemical used to test the matter in Nick's example. So that leaves

us with little question with which to deal, and according to Nick it also

sounded to me like the test was done to cover all chemical makeups.

Then too, we keep in mind that gallstones tend to form from the

precipitation of the cholesterol from the bile salts and lecithin which is a

mix called micelles. If there is too much cholesterol for the quality of

bile salts being made then chances are pretty good the cholesterol will be

able to precipitate from the mix much the same as fats will precipitate from

dish detergent and stick to the walls of the sink when it has become overly

saturated with fat. Keeping in mind too that the amount of water isn't

really the issue with keeping the fats or cholesterol emulsified.

http://www.orst.edu/instruct/ans311/311cl09.htm

So, if we really want to get technical about the mix that was tested the

test should include all of the various chemicals, hormones, and enzymes that

are presented in the last link noted here. As to what happens if there is a

large consumption of oil and then an elimination of it in short order

chances are pretty good that it could be just oil and some of it would have

been emulsified to be readied to get obsorbed throught the intestinal wall.

However, as in the case of myself, getting a colonic just a few hours after

an intake of 3 to 4 ounces of oil I often see oil deposited on the veiwing

window or moving along on the top of the water like oil will tend to do

since it is lighter than water. The bile will tend to be any combinations of

translucent colors and more soluble in the water.

http://hepatitis-central.com/hcv/labs/bileacids.html

So, the main point here is that bile is still water soluble and will not

form into a ball. In fact it will still be water soluble in the intestines

just as if it hadn't had water removed from it as in the

gallbladder.Certainly a good reason to drink lots of water each day. The

only balls that may be seen would be oil that is starting to be emulsified

but hadn't had enough time to complete the process because of having to move

through the 20 plus feet of tubing at an excellerated rate. I guess we now

need someone to scoop up a slug of the mix and have it analyzed since we now

know the balls are a high percentage of cholesterol.

Now then too, Barry, if you were eating greasy and fatty foods like French

fries then I would imagine your liver and gallbladder didn't stand too much

of a chance to produce a quality bile salt by which to get rid of the excess

in cholesterol of which the flushes were attempting to do along with the

attemp to get out the stone in the gallbladder. When I started on my venture

into the flushes, and seeking to keep my gallbladder, I had totally avoided

fats to a most religious degree. I've actually gotten to where I can't even

walk into some places that have that greasy smell without feeling some

nausia. The last French fry I had from Mc " D " tasted so bad I never finished

it and had a greasy feeling in my mouth for hours. That was over two years

ago and I can still remember the feeling of it. It's not to say I don't eat

French fries today but they are now usually of the larger sizes and are

baked instead of deep fried.

Dale

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The question should be asked this way...

First the facts.

Olive oil does not ball up on it's own within the body.

Olive oil is not the ingredient of 'soap balls'.

Olive oil has 0% cholesterol.

But...

How much bile was in the stones? What amount of oil was found in the

forms if 90% was not cholesterol? What else was tested for and found?

Oil does not create soap balls or coagulate in the body in it's own

solitary state but what happens when oil is entered into the

gastrointestinal area and the digestive tract is clear, bile is

squirted out of the common duct from the liver and gallbladder and

soft globs of pure light green/tan bile is formed while passing

through the digestive tract of the intestines and colon areas? How

can we know for sure what happens to bile when it is promoted to move

faster by the introduction of oil into the digestive tract?

In other words does the flush just increase the speed of eliminating

bile that normally travels down the tract in another form within a

hard stool? Is this what we see in the flush? Just balls of soft bile

that will coagulate because of the introducing of oil into the system

to increase the speed of action? Is this why all these hundreds of

globs are soft, green throughout, and seem to be regular bile instead

of hardened gallstones?

The action that is taking place within the internal labratory of the

human body can never be duplicated by testing outside of the

digestive tract. Sure, stones are not soap balls. Stones are not oil.

But, are stones really only globs or balls of excellerated bile that

would normally not create any problems if left to exit in the normal

way that bile leaves the digestive tract? And is the flushing/fasting

creating those balls of bile because of the method itself?

I remember one time, between weeks of flushing that my body actually

created this excellerated elimination of bile without olive oil. I

had eaten french fries and greasy foods. The elimination was within

one hour and it looked exactly like a flush with hundreds of balls of

soft bile. Oils in the fries helped to create that action that my

body would normal do but at a slower rate and within a hardened

stool.

In 95% of cases, gallstones are created within the gallbladder after

the water has been absorbed out of the bile by the gallbladder. Those

stones are hard and create problems. Soft blobs of bile will not

normally be in that form within the body (unless promoted to form by

the excellerated process of the fast/flush) and will not normally

create colic problems within the body until the bile becomes

gallstones.

Barry.

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