ayruveda herbs provoking gallbladder pain

[Guest guest]

Hello, I am new to this group, and since finding out I have

gallstones, I have been slowly working towards doing a

gallbladder/liver flush. I recently began working with an

alternative health care provider who started me on some ayruveda

herbs for bowel/parasites cleanse. After only two days on them, I

became quite ill, and at the doctors advice, I have discontinued them

for the time being. The doctor wants me to take a three day break

from them, and then resume them at a lower dose, gradually increasing

the dose again as I feel ready.

It has been two days now since discontinuing the herbs, and I am

still in quite a bit of pain. It seems as if my gallbladder and/or

liver have become swollen and tender as a result of these herbs. And

so I'm wondering if other people may have had similar reactions, and

I'm wondering if perhaps a different herbal combination would be less

irritating to the gallbladder/liver, or if this is just a necessary

process in order to kill the parasites. These herbs have also killed

my appetite, and since I have already lost a considerable amount of

weight , I can't imagine going the entire course of treatment with

these types of side-effects.

I do not want to have gallbladder surgery, and yet I fear that I

could easily end up in the ER if this type of pain continues to

persist, or gets worse. Any suggestions or experiences any one else

has had would be most welcome.

-Betsy

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your response, Dale. Here is a list of the herbs that

are in the ayruveda combination that I was taking:

Bhumy Amalaki

Bakuchi

Chopchinyadi

Guduchi

Kamala

Kanta Kari

Kutaj

Kutki

Neem

Shardunika

Turmeric

Vidanga

I did tell the doctor that I'd read Tumeric was not supposed to be

taken when gallstones are present, but he said that he didn't think

there was enough in it to matter.

Also, before beginning these herbs, I had altered my eating habits as

suggested. Since finding out I have gallstones in February, I have

been gradually adjusting my diet. I quit coffee in March, have been

drinking organic apple juice in large quantities, have eliminated

most saturated fats, eat organic as much as possible, and have been

eating a lot more vegetables and fruits. I have also been drinking

herbal teas that are good for the liver and general cleansing.

Following this diet was proving to be quite helpful, and the

tenderness surrounding my gall bladder was gone, and I was feeling

much healthier as a result. I was also eating more, with a healthy

appetite which was a great improvement considering how many foods I

had already eliminated due to them provoking an attack.

But the introduction of these aryuveda herbs to my system have caused

me a pain that I can't seem to get rid of, and I have virtually no

appetite. The doctor suggested I sip on ginger root tea throughout

the day, which I have been doing, and last night I did a castor oil

pack treatment with a ginger root concoction as well. Before when I

had a gallbladder attack, the pain would be intense for about one

day, nothing as long lasting as this. Right now the pain is all in my

digestive tract area, with the greatest tenderness being around my

gallbladder and liver. The pain is so bad that it wakes me up, and

causes considerable difficulty in moving, even blowing my nose

hurts. I am wondering if maybe I should do a flush first, to get rid

of the gallstones, with the understanding that I will need to do

another one after a parasite cleanse. I feel as though I have come

too far to let myself succumb to surgery at this point.

---In gallstones@y..., " Dale " <Da_@e...> wrote:

> Hi Betsy and welcome;

>

> If I may I would like to know the contents of the herbs you've been

given

> for pre-flushing preparation.

>

> There is a condition of which you should be made aware regarding

any major

> changes in diet and with taking various herbs for various

conditions. This

> is a reaction called the Herxhimer Reaction and occurs because of

the body

> starting into a detoxing of various things from metals to bacteria.

IT will

> cause an increase in pains of joints, mucles and, cause general

malaise. It

> is a major reason why many people stop doing a detoxing of their

bodies and

> reseek the previous foods and habits.

>

> During a time of detox, whether it is for the purpose of a special

detox or

> just to start getting on to a healthier life style it takse quite a

bid of

> resolve and a realization that things are going to be happening of

whiich

> you would never had expect. Things such as rashing, which can

either burn or

> itch, joint pain from arthritis may get worst for a time period of

days or

> this general malaise along with a foggy brain. It can be down right

> uncomfortable because it's just like a drug addict breaking away

from

> certain drugs.

>

> One food that you could start considering for a parasite cleanse

will do a

> few good things at the same time. It will provide you fiber of the

soluble

> and insoluble types as well as a chemical to help make parasites

> uncomfortable with life in your body, and it also has an essential

fatty

> acid for the liver's production of bile. It is of all things simply

pumpkin

> seeds, and what's really amazing is how good they taste too.

>

> When doing a detox it is good to make sure you are eating a lot of

soluble

> and insoluble fibered foods. The reason for this is to be sure to

provide a

> means by which the bile the gallbladder and liver will be dumping

will be

> enabled to be removed from your system much faster, as bile is the

main

> means by which the body gets rid of toxins of which have come to be

within

> it.

>

> So, instead of taking the herbs, for now just start eating a diet

void of va

> rious things, such as coffee, sugar, hydrogenated fats, saturated

animal

> fats, and anything containing aspertame. This will go a long ways

towards

> your starting a good detox of your body when used with the right

tools for

> liver and gallbladder support. You may also want to avoid foods of

which are

> good for the liver an gallbladder but are too stimulative for them

at the

> present time. Such foods as beets, cabbage, pecan nuts are just a

couple of

> which I personally had to avoid for around a year after my last

attack.

>

> The best support of the liver and gallbladder is of course working

at

> reducing the work load with which they have to deal and providing

them the

> foods that help them to do their job more effeciently. This is done

by

> providing essential fatty acids so that more of the HDL can be made

for the

> scavenging work of detoxing the body will work more effeciently.

You can get

> EFAs from olive, hemp, flaxseed, or other oils. It can also be

absorbed from

> massage. It can also be gotten at the same time as getting relief

by means

> of a castor oil pack.

> http://curezone.com/cures/castoroil.asp

>

> IF you just do these few things you'll certainly be off to a good

start.

> Then you can start adding various herbs, but, the herbs may need to

be much

> more milder amounts than what you've been taking. IT took time to

get to

> where the stones formed and it takes time to get to where they're

gone.

> Patience is important but with a resolve and seeing that it is

possible to

> do something helps to maintain that hope.

>

> Dale

>

> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,

> Hello, I am new to this group, and since finding out I have

> gallstones, I have been slowly working towards doing a

> gallbladder/liver flush. I recently began working with an

> alternative health care provider who started me on some ayruveda

> herbs for bowel/parasites cleanse. After only two days on them, I

> became quite ill, and at the doctors advice, I have discontinued

them

> for the time being. The doctor wants me to take a three day break

> from them, and then resume them at a lower dose, gradually

increasing

> the dose again as I feel ready.

>

> It has been two days now since discontinuing the herbs, and I am

> still in quite a bit of pain. It seems as if my gallbladder and/or

> liver have become swollen and tender as a result of these herbs. And

> so I'm wondering if other people may have had similar reactions, and

> I'm wondering if perhaps a different herbal combination would be

less

> irritating to the gallbladder/liver, or if this is just a necessary

> process in order to kill the parasites. These herbs have also

killed

> my appetite, and since I have already lost a considerable amount of

> weight , I can't imagine going the entire course of treatment with

> these types of side-effects.

>

> I do not want to have gallbladder surgery, and yet I fear that I

> could easily end up in the ER if this type of pain continues to

> persist, or gets worse. Any suggestions or experiences any one else

> has had would be most welcome.

>

> -Betsy

[Guest guest]

Dale, I didn't know cabbage and pecan nuts in

particular were stimulants to the liver/gall bladder,

did know about beets. Interesting information,

are there other foods on this list?? Thanks!!

Hi, ,

I'm not Dale, but I'll give you my two cents' worth. Cabbage and pecans

never bothered me, but eggs and cheese would. Everyone is different. I

asked Dale once and he told me that it's not just unhealthy foods that can

start attacks but sometimes healthy foods like eggs, cabbage, beets and nuts.

So what triggers an attack for one person, may not for another. I'm finally

to a point now where I eat eggs, but not ever fried eggs or anything. I can

also eat the white cheeses, even though I limit them, like baby swiss, jack.

Take care,

Susie

[Guest guest]

Someone may have replied to this already, but it sounds

like the herbs have " stirred things up " in your liver, feels

bad, but may ultimately be good. Maybe you need to

do the flush cleanse first to clear the way for the liver

to cleanse itself through the ducts after things have

settled down a bit. I hate that time period

when you start herbs and they are doing their work but

you feel lousy, but it seems to be part of the deal a lot

of the time. We are so conditioned to take things to make

us feel better that we get impatient with the slow and sometimes

uncomfortable cleansing the body has to go through

naturally...I know I do...but still stick with it. Of course

you DO have to make sure that you are not allergic to the

herbs or that there isn't something else going on, but most

of the time, all is " okay " . When people have trouble like

you are describing, I too, tell them to slow down, and

also to drink plenty of pure water...and make sure the

bowels are moving regularly..by that I mean 2-3x a day,

once for each meal you eat. That is so important during

cleansing.

Be well,

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

> Hello, I am new to this group, and since finding out I have

> gallstones, I have been slowly working towards doing a

> gallbladder/liver flush. I recently began working with an

> alternative health care provider who started me on some ayruveda

> herbs for bowel/parasites cleanse. After only two days on them, I

> became quite ill, and at the doctors advice, I have discontinued them

> for the time being. The doctor wants me to take a three day break

> from them, and then resume them at a lower dose, gradually increasing

> the dose again as I feel ready.

[Guest guest]

>You may also want to avoid foods of which are

>good for the liver an gallbladder but are too

>stimulative for them at the present time. Such

>foods as beets, cabbage, pecan nuts are just a

>couple of which I personally had to avoid

>for around a year after my last attack.

Dale, I didn't know cabbage and pecan nuts in

particular were stimulants to the liver/gall bladder,

did know about beets. Interesting information,

are there other foods on this list?? Thanks!!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a

[Guest guest]

Tishri7@... wrote: Dale, I didn't know cabbage and pecan nuts in

particular were stimulants to the liver/gall bladder,

did know about beets. Interesting information,

are there other foods on this list?? Thanks!!

CLAUDIA, I ALSO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH YELOW AND CHEDDAR CHEESE, AND

EGGS, WITH THE WHITE ALL READY OUT/ I HAVE BEEN DOING THE FLUSH FOR 6 MONTHS

WHEN I FIRSTED STARTED MY BACK HURT SO MUCH I THOUGHT I HAD A HEART ATTACK,

SOME TIMES ONLY ABOUT 50 STONES COME OUT BUT LAST WEEK ABOUT 300 STONES

AND I FEEL MUCH BETTER AND CAN WALK MUCH LONGER IAM 50 YEARS OLD I ALSO

TAKE GARLIC, ACEPHEDOULPUS, MILK THISTEL AND A HERB CALLED " STONE FREE' works

great

Hi, ,

I'm not Dale, but I'll give you my two cents' worth. Cabbage and pecans

never bothered me, but eggs and cheese would. Everyone is different. I

asked Dale once and he told me that it's not just unhealthy foods that can

start attacks but sometimes healthy foods like eggs, cabbage, beets and nuts.

So what triggers an attack for one person, may not for another. I'm finally

to a point now where I eat eggs, but not ever fried eggs or anything. I can

also eat the white cheeses, even though I limit them, like baby swiss, jack.

Take care,

Susie

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[Guest guest]

> Hi, ,

> I'm not Dale, but I'll give you my two cents' worth. Cabbage and pecans

> never bothered me, but eggs and cheese would. Everyone is different. I

> asked Dale once and he told me that it's not just unhealthy foods that can

> start attacks but sometimes healthy foods like eggs, cabbage, beets and

nuts.

> So what triggers an attack for one person, may not for another. I'm

finally

> to a point now where I eat eggs, but not ever fried eggs or anything. I

can

> also eat the white cheeses, even though I limit them, like baby swiss,

jack.

>

> Take care,

> Susie

Susie...Yes, eggs and cheese are real bad ones for me! I have an unusual

symptom that I wonder if others experience. When I eat eggs, cheese or

fatty meats, I notice an effect in my sinus or sense of smell...I smell

an odor that is not really there. It is wierd, I did mention it to my

chiropractor and he said something about the nerve pathway that goes

through gallbladder area does go up into the sinus area. There are

a couple other things that triggor it, but I find it strange. I REALLY need

to do the flush again, haven't done it since the end of March.

Thanks, Suzie, claudia

[Guest guest]

> CLAUDIA, I ALSO HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH YELOW AND CHEDDAR CHEESE, AND

EGGS, WITH THE WHITE ALL READY OUT/ I HAVE BEEN DOING THE FLUSH FOR 6

MONTHS WHEN I FIRSTED STARTED MY BACK HURT SO MUCH I THOUGHT I HAD A

HEART ATTACK, SOME TIMES ONLY ABOUT 50 STONES COME OUT BUT LAST WEEK

ABOUT 300 STONES AND I FEEL MUCH BETTER AND CAN WALK MUCH LONGER IAM

50 YEARS OLD I ALSO TAKE GARLIC, ACEPHEDOULPUS, MILK THISTEL AND A HERB

CALLED " STONE FREE' works great

>

Thanks, , that's an encouragement to me. My back has

been bothering me a good bit...almost worse since doing the

flush if I'm not careful about what I eat. I'm sure I have stirred

things up and need to get back to it. How frequently are you

flushing? Do you thnk the stone free helps? Thanks again!

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

http://nutritionist.tripod.com ~ Journey to Health & Auctions

" A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a