Re: Re: eating whatever you want-Barry

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At 02:18 03.06.2002 +0000, you wrote:

>

>Also about the herbs. From all the testimonies in here and in the

>flush site testimonies no herbs have been found to reduce the size of

>a hardened gallstone. One guy did say that Chanca Piedra reduced his

>2.9 cm gallstone down to 2.1 cm in 6 months but after talking with

>him through personal email he didn't really know or have ultrasound

>to verify that. What's the name of that herb again?

>

Barry, there are people who live pain-free life (happy life, no fear of

food) thanks to herbs or enema (coffee) or Chinese medicine, or

homeopathic medicine, ... or acupuncture or ayurveda ... or massage .... or

reflexotherapy ... or chiropractic ....

All those forms of medicine have been deliberately suppressed by AMA, ADA,

FDA, NIH, CDC, ... read and learn, if you don't believe ...

And, if those people still have gallstones or not is NOT important.

Happiness is the only important fact!

For example ... We all have cancer, but until we get diagnoses, we can be

perfectly happy!

Cancer happens every day inside our body. It is a natural program ...

BUT lucky we, no one is able to diagnose it ... still!

Cancer doesn't kill ... fear does!

Happiness is the most important aim!

What is important is that herbs can be antiinflammatory, can be

antispasmodic, can be gallbladder healing ... and can ... and have been

helping to millions ...

What do you think, what have people been doing last 1 000 000 years when

having gallbladder problem? Surgery? Actigal? Infra-sound waves? NO.

(Of course, there were not as many with that problem as today, but still,

there were people .... )

Just the fact that some people have possibility to use surgery to solve (or

create) problem is great, but no one educated and informed person would

ever agree that more then 10% of all gallbladder surgeries are necessary!

500 000 surgeries a year (USA). Most likely, only 50 000 were " necessary " ,

450 000 could have been solved with herbal medicine and/or flushing and/or

homeopathic medicine and/or acupuncture and7or some other form of

traditional therapy ...

(And, if people were not vaccinated and treated with pesticides,

medications and antibiotics, most likely only 5000 would be necessary ...

but that is another story ...)

It is great that surgery technology is available to people today. BUT it is

not great to misuse it for the sake of profit!

And, just because we are here talking about alternatives to surgery, no one

argues with the fact that in YOUR PARTICULAR CASE ... flush did not work.

We have seen it, we know it ...

We still don't know if some other therapy that you didn't try would have

been working ... but we do know that your surgery have been successful and

have made you happy man again! For you that was a perfect solution!

And that is the most important for you!

To be happy!

Also, it is important to understand that stone (hard one) that your

gallbladder was able to form, have been formed through long time.

It was not 2 days job.

For long time your gallbladder was holding sludge, before it condensed some

part of that sludge into one big stone, and other particles have been

formed into many other small stones.

It takes years for a shell to form one pearl. And. you know what pearl is

formed from ? Protein and calcium!

If you have been lucky enough to know about flush, you could have flushed

your sludge before it ever become so hard, and so big ...

But, now, that you have the experience, you could think that for your own

kids, it would be better to do one flush every 12 months, then to come to

the point (point you reached in your very own experience ) where flush

was unable to help ....

Flush is still the most simple solution - prevention ... all other (herbal

.... enema ... homeopathic ... diet ... are far more complicated )

Flush is a thousand year old remedy.

I will never understand why people are ready to take a medication that have

been on the market for 5 - 20 years, but are afraid to drink olive oil and

juice that have been natural part of human diet for several thousand of

years ... ? Can you tell me why?

And, In your shoes, it is possible that I myself would also opt for

surgery ... sooner or later ... pain, if it can be avoided .... can make

people take their chances!

Every person is different .. and it is important to distinguish between

your personal experience and more objective experience based on hundreds of

people (like mine) ... or even more objective experience (like Hulda ,

or Dr., or Dr.Schulze, and others ... ) based on thousands of people ...

Stones that people flush can be of any density!

From those that are just little-bit harder then bile itself (density 5 -

10) , to those that are calcified and hard as glass.

We could say that if bile density is 1 on the scale of 100 and glass is 100

on that same scale, then stones could be of any density 2 to 99.

Your experience have been to flush some hard out (density 20 to 50), and

many soft ones (density 5-10).

Your surgery got out one " big " & hard stone (most likely of mixed

composition (cholesterol + pigment + protein + calcium carbonate)) that

would on the same scale be somewhere around 50 -75.

But, even " pure " cholesterol stones (stones where cholesterol is 95% of it

content) can be " relatively hard " (20 - 40) and stable.

I have seen " hard " cholesterol stones(density 20 or 25) (green, almost

transparent) that did not melt.

Melting is most likely caused by bacterial action. (based on deductive -

logical thinking, not on actual hard proof)

If you take few cholesterol stones from the same person, wash them in the

cold water, and dry them on the sun and leave them exposed to the direct

sun, many stones will dry and will not decompose into waxy liquid.

But, if you take other stones from the same person, without washing them,

and leave them on room temperature, not exposed to sun light, most of them

will decompose ....

That is the proof that there must be some bacteria, aerobic bacteria, that

is involved into stone decomposition.

Sunlight is known bacteria killer. If you take a cup of water, " polluted "

with bacteria, and you leave it on the sun, after few hours, water is

bacteriologically clean. No living bacteria! If you have a Microscope, you

can try it ... test it ... many biologists can testify to this experiment.

Now, if you mix waxy liquid from decomposed stones with dry stones that

have been for many days outside, on the sun, those hard and dry

cholesterol stones will decompose! That is almost 90% proof that bacteria

is at the root of the decomposition!

Most likely, some airborne bacteria, or bacteria from intestines, ... that

behave different in aerobic environment.

No gallstone, as far as I know, is decomposed inside bowel.

People have been passing stones several days/weeks after flush, stones that

have been stuck inside bowel for several days, still unable to decompose

there ...

(but, those that do decompose will never be discovered .... as they will be

mixed with feces)

I hope this helps you understand that every person is different, and that

nobody in this group accuse you for being a coward because you opted for

surgery.

Most people, would do the same ...

But, that doesn't mean that most people flush soft balls of cholesterol.

It was your experience, and it was experience of few other people, but

even you flushed some stones that have been harder!

EVERY STONE IS DIFFERENT!

EVERY PERSON IS DIFFERENT! Do NOT " EXTRAPOLATE " YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE on

OTHER PEOPLE!

In the discursion Barry - Dale ... both of you have been talking about

DIFFERENT stones.

Bare that in mind!

DIFFERENT!

And, it is important to be aware, that even soft balls of cholesterol can

obstruct bile flow inside bile ducts!

No matter how soft, if it is a ball, it is a ball! It is solid enough to

obstruct!

Most people flush " hard balls of bile " (relatively " hard " cholesterol

stones (20 -25 - 30 on the scale)), balls that can be preserved by

washing, and exposing to sun light!

Those stones can still be crushed by fingers (just like you could crush

beeswax) but, if not exposed to mechanical pressure, those balls can last

for years (it is usually stinky)

So, let finish assumptions that " YOUR " stones are the same as " MINE " stones

and that " MY " experience and " MY " conclusions are the " ONLY TRUTH " .

As many people, that many " truths " !

Agnes