Re: eating whatever you want

[Guest guest]

For those of us who no longer have GBs, and no more pain, it would behoove us

to take a closer look at our eating habits, and realize that changes need to

be made. Otherwise, we can look forward to losing other body parts, and/or

continued ill health.

Adrienne

_______________

Adrienne,

You said this with much wisdom. If someone has to have their GB removed,

then they must. However, considering maybe what got the person in that shape

to begin with is important. If by following an unhealthy diet much of one's

life got them in this shape, all the more reason to learn to eat healthy.

In one of Dr. Cabot's books, she says -- and she's experienced in treating

liver diseases and various problems -- that a person who has their GB removed

has a higher risk of fatty liver. So watching diet is extremely important.

BTW, a fatty liver wouldn't happen overnight.

She also says that some people after cholecystectomy, have a much worse

problem than before, and mentions the following things: Leaking bile,

damaged bile ducts, liver hemorrhage and liver pain. Other sources that I've

found in various medical places on the Internet also state that the risk of

colon cancer is much higher with people who've had their GBs removed.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Adrienne,

Obviously you are correct. Everyone should eat right with or without

the gallbladder. Healthy living demands that of us. Excersize as well

is much needed to maintain health on a daily basis.

In my case when I say 'the freedom to eat whenever and whatever' is

not a ticket to abuse my diet. It means that I can eat anything in

moderation and still maintain a good weight and diet. The liberation

of enjoying food is like the freedom to live in the country you want

to. Being a prisoner to foods is not a fun way to live an enjoyable

life in my opinion. If you worry about if the food you eat will cause

you terrible colic attacks at night then it is a scary way to live as

well.

You can live without the gb but you can't live with colic pain

everytime you want to eat something you like.

Two ways of looking at it but dieting is always good for everyone of

course. I continue to diet by the tips I've learned in this group but

I can also have a pizza without worrying about pain or what it will

do to my body. I like the freedom of choice from pain if I eat those

foods or not. Freedoms are never to be abuse.

Barry.

--- In gallstones@y..., Adrienne McLaughlin <adriennelynn1@y...>

wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> This post is in response to several comments from people who've had

their gallbladder's removed, stating how wonderful it's been, post-

surgery, to eat whatever they want to without pain. Yes, amazingly,

there's no more pain. However, don't you think it was because we

thought that we could eat whatever we want, whenever we want(or not,

by crash dieting), that caused our gallbladder problems in the first

place? And don't you think that to continue to eat in an unhealthy

manner will continue to cause other problems? Just because you've

removed the source of pain, for the moment, do you think you've

gotten rid of the cause of why you had problems in the first place?

>

> I, for one, see the direct relation between abusive diets, or not

eating right, as one of the causes of my GB problems. I can see too,

that there has probably been a direct effect to the health of my

liver as a result of diet. For those of us who no longer have GBs,

and no more pain, it would behoove us to take a closer look at our

eating habits, and realize that changes need to be made. Otherwise,

we can look forward to losing other body parts, and/or continued ill

health.

>

> Adrienne

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Post-surgey problems are very rare, 5 & . The majority of problems

> isn't even diarrhea but a stone left over in a duct from before the

> surgery.

I agree! When someone's that little, bitty 5 percent, then it's serious

because they're experiencing it themselves -- upfront and personal.

Plus, I can only speak of my experience in doing my survey before

contemplating GB surgery. I spoke to four people, no one had a happy

experience. Only one had the major surgery thingie because they had a

scar-tissue buildup from previous abdominal surgery, so she had to have the

major surgery. She was one of the one's not happy. These are the only

people that I've known in my immediate area as friends who've had surgery.

Now, the only positive surgery out of all of these was a woman who talked to

my husband. She had a positive surgery effect.

Next, I weighed my survey out with two friends who've been doing the cleanse

for over 10 years. They are like me, doing cleanses still at this time and

having no problems whatsoever. So regardless what Barry says, I still hold

to what I searched out for myself. If it wasn't possible for him to hold

out, then that doesn't mean it's not for others. I've had serious GB attacks

also, as so has Dale and many, many others, including my friends who are

still doing this. So I place hope in the fact that maybe it's possible that

I can live with my GB.

Barry and I look at " freedom " in different ways. It makes no sense to me at

all. If someone wants to say " freedom to eat anything, " then why not eat a

rat or something? That's just not my cup of tea, so to speak.

I'm glad that he's doing well, but maybe if he had had positive results, then

he would have a different mindset.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Susie,

Post-surgey problems are very rare, 5 & . The majority of problems

isn't even diarrhea but a stone left over in a duct from before the

surgery.

Avoiding flying on airplanes because there may be terrorist on board

is not reasonable. Taking the chance is not as risky as it seems just

because we have seen planes crashing into buildings.

All those rare problems that you have stated are in good faith but

living with constant gb colic is not a good problem to have either.

Everyone must decide which is the 'lesser of the two evils' in order

to be healthy and happy. Good luck to you.

Barry.

> For those of us who no longer have GBs, and no more pain, it would

behoove us

> to take a closer look at our eating habits, and realize that

changes need to

> be made. Otherwise, we can look forward to losing other body

parts, and/or

> continued ill health.

>

> Adrienne

>

>

> _______________

>

> Adrienne,

> You said this with much wisdom. If someone has to have their GB

removed,

> then they must. However, considering maybe what got the person in

that shape

> to begin with is important. If by following an unhealthy diet much

of one's

> life got them in this shape, all the more reason to learn to eat

healthy.

>

> In one of Dr. Cabot's books, she says -- and she's experienced in

treating

> liver diseases and various problems -- that a person who has their

GB removed

> has a higher risk of fatty liver. So watching diet is extremely

important.

> BTW, a fatty liver wouldn't happen overnight.

>

> She also says that some people after cholecystectomy, have a much

worse

> problem than before, and mentions the following things: Leaking

bile,

> damaged bile ducts, liver hemorrhage and liver pain. Other sources

that I've

> found in various medical places on the Internet also state that the

risk of

> colon cancer is much higher with people who've had their GBs

removed.

>

> Susie

[Guest guest]

> Susie,

>

> Post-surgey problems are very rare, 5 & . The majority of problems

> isn't even diarrhea but a stone left over in a duct from before the

> surgery.

Okay I'm sorry but for those of us that are having problems since

we've had our gallbladder out, I for one don't like it said

that " well you're the small percentage so that's not bad " well for us

IT IS BAD. I don't like my life style being all screwed up because I

thought I was making the right choice. You try living in my shoes and

raising 3 children, not being able to be the mother you want because

of a " simple " surgery. If you can't do the darn surgery right than

you shouldn't be allowed to do it.

I'm sick of hearing well only 5% of post surgery's have that problem.

Where is this info comming from anyways the Medical field. Do you

think that my problems were reported. NO they were not. My Dr.

Refused to connect them to the surgery and had the audasity to say I

needed to go to another dr cause it had nothing to do with surgery.

Yet I didn't have the pain till after surgery.

So honestly how much percentage do you think is truly reported. Dr.s

do have to cover their butts you know. If the percentages were higher

do you think as many people would get it done? I have spent years

studying vaccines and it has been proven that only 10% of bad

reactions are truly reported. If every bad reaction was reported do

you think parents would continue to Vax?

Just another side of the coin to think about. As for me I don't care

if I'm " your " 5% it has made life incredibly a pain in the ... well

you get the idea. Sorry Dale(if your still the moderator) for getting

so nasty in this post but I'm so sick of others justifying us 5%. I

wish I could have stuck it out like you did. At least you tried to

help us get through it and that I'll be forever grateful for.

D

[Guest guest]

Hi Adrienne,

Just because I can eat whatever I want now does not mean I have an abusive

diet. Sure, I can have a piece of pizza now, or a soft-serve ice cream

cone, without ending up in horrible pain, but this hardly means I have a

horrible diet. It just means that I don't have to live in fear of every

morsel of food that goes in my mouth. For me, the freedom from that pain

and worry was like having some awful burden lifted. It was sapping so much

from my life, from my energy as a parent. I feel so much better, and am not

under that stress and worry any more. It's nice to be able to stop for ice

cream with my kids. That freedom feels wonderful. It doesn't mean that

that is all I eat, but it is exciting to be able to do so. I know I am not

the one you were responding to, but think many people who have had surgery

feel similarly. It's been 18 months for me, this week. Still feeling

great.

I knows that my problems were caused from dieting most of my life. Right

now, I have time to work about an hour of exercise into my day, at least

five times a week, so I don't worry about " dieting. " I am probably

healthier now than I have ever been, and both my doctor and chiropractor

agree.

Debra

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D,

Once again, I am very sorry to hear that you are of the 5% of the

people that have post-surgery problems. I personally know 10 people,

myself included, who don't have any problems at all. I'm sure that

everyone feels sorry for you but to give justice to the results of

post-surgery we need to realize that most people don't have any

problems.

In the cases where people have to get surgery, to say that many

problems will arise will only scare people into thinking everyone has

problems. This isn't fair for people who need to have the surgery and

then get depressed reading a story like yours because you are of the

minority.

What are you doing to correct your problems? That may help someone if

you had solutions instead of just saying that 'you shouldn't have'.

Are you taking any kind of supplements or anything to correct your

problems?

Good luck to you and I hope you get healthy and happy soon.

Barry.

> > Susie,

> >

> > Post-surgey problems are very rare, 5 & . The majority of problems

> > isn't even diarrhea but a stone left over in a duct from before

the

> > surgery.

>

>

> Okay I'm sorry but for those of us that are having problems since

> we've had our gallbladder out, I for one don't like it said

> that " well you're the small percentage so that's not bad " well for

us

> IT IS BAD. I don't like my life style being all screwed up because

I

> thought I was making the right choice. You try living in my shoes

and

> raising 3 children, not being able to be the mother you want

because

> of a " simple " surgery. If you can't do the darn surgery right than

> you shouldn't be allowed to do it.

>

> I'm sick of hearing well only 5% of post surgery's have that

problem.

> Where is this info comming from anyways the Medical field. Do you

> think that my problems were reported. NO they were not. My Dr.

> Refused to connect them to the surgery and had the audasity to say

I

> needed to go to another dr cause it had nothing to do with surgery.

> Yet I didn't have the pain till after surgery.

>

> So honestly how much percentage do you think is truly reported.

Dr.s

> do have to cover their butts you know. If the percentages were

higher

> do you think as many people would get it done? I have spent years

> studying vaccines and it has been proven that only 10% of bad

> reactions are truly reported. If every bad reaction was reported do

> you think parents would continue to Vax?

>

> Just another side of the coin to think about. As for me I don't

care

> if I'm " your " 5% it has made life incredibly a pain in the ... well

> you get the idea. Sorry Dale(if your still the moderator) for

getting

> so nasty in this post but I'm so sick of others justifying us 5%. I

> wish I could have stuck it out like you did. At least you tried to

> help us get through it and that I'll be forever grateful for.

> D

[Guest guest]

>>You try living in my shoes and

raising 3 children, not being able to be the mother you want because

of a " simple " surgery. <<

So sorry for your difficulties. As with any surgery, there is a risk, and I

am sorry that your outcome was not positive. I am a mom of three kids too,

and I know how distressful it is when you can't be the mother you want to

be. I wish things had turned out differently for you. I can only imagine

how hard it must be to hear about successful surgeries. If I was in your

shoes, none of that would mean a damn thing to me. I only hope that what

you learn from others here will somehow help you improve your health. I

mean that. I wish I had some words of wisdom, some knowledge, which could

help you, but I am afraid that all I can offer are my positive thoughts in

your direction, and my sincere best wishes.

Debra {{ }}

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Susie,

For me, in my case, it turned out to be the 'lesser of the two evils'

if you will.

I was living with colic attacks 2 to 3 times a week, lost 15 lbs by

flushing and was down to 155 lbs, and didn't like the thought of

having to flush forever to hide the pain with a coating of oil. My

stone just didn't come out because it was too big and hard.

The surgery was needed because it turned out that my gb was in a pre-

diseased state and would have only produced more stones no matter

what my dieting was like because of genetics and condition of the gb.

I am one of those who has had surgery with no problems once so ever

so please add me to your list. Also, my brother, father, grandfather

and grandmother. Now you have 5 more people for your list of post-

surgery success.

We all make choices to be healthy and happy. It's a personal thing

but we are all in here looking for that goal. Control your pain and

keep your gb if it makes you happy. Nothing wrong with that. Flush

every two weeks. Enjoy. Flush to your hearts content. If it works for

you do it.

For me, the pain became unbearable and the surgery was needed. I

didn't 'give up', I did what I had to do to be healthy and happy. I

hope you are doing the same. Good luck.

If the flush got out my gallstone and the pain with it I definitely

would have keep my gb but it didn't work for me. Removing the pain

was my primary goal. Now that I'vd had it out without problems I can

see that I was making a big deal about it. Just thinking about

flushing for 10 years would make me do the operation all over again.

My freedom to not eat rats is just as good as to eat rats. I choose

not too. I also choose not to drink olive oil every two weeks with ES

also. I choose to eat whatever I want at anytime without gallstone

pain. I'm sure you would want to have that freedom as well but you

have chosen what will make you happy. I still have the freedom to

drink oil but I don't have the pain to deal with anymore.

Barry.

> Post-surgey problems are very rare, 5 & . The majority of problems

> > isn't even diarrhea but a stone left over in a duct from before

the

> > surgery.

>

>

> I agree! When someone's that little, bitty 5 percent, then it's

serious

> because they're experiencing it themselves -- upfront and personal.

>

> Plus, I can only speak of my experience in doing my survey before

> contemplating GB surgery. I spoke to four people, no one had a

happy

> experience. Only one had the major surgery thingie because they

had a

> scar-tissue buildup from previous abdominal surgery, so she had to

have the

> major surgery. She was one of the one's not happy. These are the

only

> people that I've known in my immediate area as friends who've had

surgery.

> Now, the only positive surgery out of all of these was a woman who

talked to

> my husband. She had a positive surgery effect.

>

> Next, I weighed my survey out with two friends who've been doing

the cleanse

> for over 10 years. They are like me, doing cleanses still at this

time and

> having no problems whatsoever. So regardless what Barry says, I

still hold

> to what I searched out for myself. If it wasn't possible for him

to hold

> out, then that doesn't mean it's not for others. I've had serious

GB attacks

> also, as so has Dale and many, many others, including my friends

who are

> still doing this. So I place hope in the fact that maybe it's

possible that

> I can live with my GB.

>

> Barry and I look at " freedom " in different ways. It makes no sense

to me at

> all. If someone wants to say " freedom to eat anything, " then why

not eat a

> rat or something? That's just not my cup of tea, so to speak.

>

> I'm glad that he's doing well, but maybe if he had had positive

results, then

> he would have a different mindset.

>

> Susie

[Guest guest]

>>I spoke to four people, no one had a happy

experience. <<

WOW!! I spoke to at least 30. Only one had a minor leftover problem.

Maybe it's a regional thing. Better doctors=better outcomes????

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Good point Debra,

Were all those surgeries performed by the same doctor? Dr. Dolittle

or what? I've never heard of that many people with post-surgery

problems. In fact, in the last two months since I have been telling

more people about my surgery more people have been 'coming out of the

closet' about having the surgery. People don't usually just say " Hi,

I had my gallbladder removed " but once you mention it you hear a lot.

My maid, my wifes Tae Kwon Do instructor, a secretary in my office, a

new client of mine last month, all had surgery without problems. Must

be a regional thing there. ???

Barry.

> >>I spoke to four people, no one had a happy

> experience. <<

>

> WOW!! I spoke to at least 30. Only one had a minor leftover

problem.

> Maybe it's a regional thing. Better doctors=better outcomes????

>

> Debra

>

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[Guest guest]

IT is Susie's thughts that keep me plugging forward inspite of all

the pain. I know everyone thinks I am crazy for going on this way. I

may have pain, but I am still in control of my health. As soon as I

submit to surgery, it is out of my hands. Dawn

BTW, SUsie, would you mind reporting what your complications are.

> > Susie,

> >

> > Post-surgey problems are very rare, 5 & . The majority of problems

> > isn't even diarrhea but a stone left over in a duct from before

the

> > surgery.

>

>

> Okay I'm sorry but for those of us that are having problems since

> we've had our gallbladder out, I for one don't like it said

> that " well you're the small percentage so that's not bad " well for

us

> IT IS BAD. I don't like my life style being all screwed up because

I

> thought I was making the right choice. You try living in my shoes

and

> raising 3 children, not being able to be the mother you want

because

> of a " simple " surgery. If you can't do the darn surgery right than

> you shouldn't be allowed to do it.

>

> I'm sick of hearing well only 5% of post surgery's have that

problem.

> Where is this info comming from anyways the Medical field. Do you

> think that my problems were reported. NO they were not. My Dr.

> Refused to connect them to the surgery and had the audasity to say

I

> needed to go to another dr cause it had nothing to do with surgery.

> Yet I didn't have the pain till after surgery.

>

> So honestly how much percentage do you think is truly reported.

Dr.s

> do have to cover their butts you know. If the percentages were

higher

> do you think as many people would get it done? I have spent years

> studying vaccines and it has been proven that only 10% of bad

> reactions are truly reported. If every bad reaction was reported do

> you think parents would continue to Vax?

>

> Just another side of the coin to think about. As for me I don't

care

> if I'm " your " 5% it has made life incredibly a pain in the ... well

> you get the idea. Sorry Dale(if your still the moderator) for

getting

> so nasty in this post but I'm so sick of others justifying us 5%. I

> wish I could have stuck it out like you did. At least you tried to

> help us get through it and that I'll be forever grateful for.

> D

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Submitting to surgery doesn't mean that your health and happiness

is 'out of your hands'. It may be what you really need for health and

happiness. If you had a lung with cancer and the doctors had to

remove it would you consider that to be out of your hands as well?

Being worried by Susie's results is like worrying about flying

because of terrorist. It is very rare in both cases.

Good luck with your pain. Do what you need to do. Try everything to

keep your gb but don't feel 'ashamed' if it has to go.

Barry.

> IT is Susie's thughts that keep me plugging forward inspite of all

> the pain. I know everyone thinks I am crazy for going on this way.

I

> may have pain, but I am still in control of my health. As soon as I

> submit to surgery, it is out of my hands. Dawn

>

> BTW, SUsie, would you mind reporting what your complications are.

>

>

> > > Susie,

> > >

> > > Post-surgey problems are very rare, 5 & . The majority of

problems

> > > isn't even diarrhea but a stone left over in a duct from before

> the

> > > surgery.

> >

> >

> > Okay I'm sorry but for those of us that are having problems since

> > we've had our gallbladder out, I for one don't like it said

> > that " well you're the small percentage so that's not bad " well

for

> us

> > IT IS BAD. I don't like my life style being all screwed up

because

> I

> > thought I was making the right choice. You try living in my shoes

> and

> > raising 3 children, not being able to be the mother you want

> because

> > of a " simple " surgery. If you can't do the darn surgery right

than

> > you shouldn't be allowed to do it.

> >

> > I'm sick of hearing well only 5% of post surgery's have that

> problem.

> > Where is this info comming from anyways the Medical field. Do you

> > think that my problems were reported. NO they were not. My Dr.

> > Refused to connect them to the surgery and had the audasity to

say

> I

> > needed to go to another dr cause it had nothing to do with

surgery.

> > Yet I didn't have the pain till after surgery.

> >

> > So honestly how much percentage do you think is truly reported.

> Dr.s

> > do have to cover their butts you know. If the percentages were

> higher

> > do you think as many people would get it done? I have spent

years

> > studying vaccines and it has been proven that only 10% of bad

> > reactions are truly reported. If every bad reaction was reported

do

> > you think parents would continue to Vax?

> >

> > Just another side of the coin to think about. As for me I don't

> care

> > if I'm " your " 5% it has made life incredibly a pain in the ...

well

> > you get the idea. Sorry Dale(if your still the moderator) for

> getting

> > so nasty in this post but I'm so sick of others justifying us 5%.

I

> > wish I could have stuck it out like you did. At least you tried

to

> > help us get through it and that I'll be forever grateful for.

> > D

[Guest guest]

Barry, what I mean is, I can choose the surgery (or not), but I

cannot choose the consequences. It will be out of my hands when the

dial is spun whether I will land in the 95% zone or the 5% no man's

land. Dawn

> Dawn,

>

> Submitting to surgery doesn't mean that your health and happiness

> is 'out of your hands'. It may be what you really need for health

and

> happiness.

[Guest guest]

Exactly,

And one day you will decide if living with the pain is better than

that spin. The lesser of two evils.

You should really study the Internet for post-surgery information (if

that is the opinion that you are considering) and don't just rely on

what you read in a gallbladder flush group. It may be biased here one

way or another. That may help you decide to spin or not.

All I can say is that the 'scare-tactics' that you read about in here

is only a small minority that is obviously biased toward the flushing

instead of realities that the flush doesn't always work and that

there really is life after surgery. You will read a lot about doctor

bashing and post-surgery horror stories in here and miss the other

side of the coin. Ask your friends, family, neighbors, etc who have

had the surgery and see what they tell you first hand.

From what I have read (and don't take my word for it without personal

study) the majority of post-surgery problems is a stone left in the

common duct.

Next and even rarer is diarrhea. And that is only in the time that

your body is adjusting the cholesterol levels to function without the

gb. This could be one week to one month usually. Anything longer is

even more rare. Also, supplements can be taken temperarily while your

body adjusts.

Even rarier is a nicked duct. Making sure you have a specialist who

has done over 100 surgeries will lessen this .001% risk.

All of these risks are so rare you shouldn't base the surgery on

them.

For me the pain far out weighed the risk but that is only in my

personal case. You should do everything you can first to avoid any

kind of surgery but just feel assured that if you have to remove the

gb it is not a major operation. Take that from someone who knows.

Barry.

> > Dawn,

> >

> > Submitting to surgery doesn't mean that your health and happiness

> > is 'out of your hands'. It may be what you really need for health

> and

> > happiness.

[Guest guest]

> Exactly,

>

> And one day you will decide if living with the pain is better than

> that spin. The lesser of two evils.

>

> You should really study the Internet for post-surgery information

(if that is the opinion that you are considering) and don't just rely

on what you read in a gallbladder flush group. It may be biased here

one way or another. That may help you decide to spin or not.

> All I can say is that the 'scare-tactics' that you read about in

here is only a small minority that is obviously biased toward the

flushing instead of realities that the flush doesn't always work and

that there really is life after surgery.

I understood this list was supposed to be for those that wanted to do

everything they could first to save their gallbaldder without medical

means. From the intro of the list it sounds like it's for those of us

looking for natural treatments vs medical so maybe that is why it is

bias.

There is nothing wrong with getting your gallbladder out but others

should know that not everyone has a good experience with it.

D

[Guest guest]

D,

I believe in the gallbladder flush also. I believe it is a way to rid

yourself of gallstones and avoid surgery. I know that it works for

some and not others. I also know now that there is a difference

between a gallstone and a bile ball. Many people think they are

flushing out hard gallstones that have softened because of their

flushing or dieting but still don't understand why they still have

the colic attacks. Many people have taken the gallbladder flush to

mean they are removing gallstones when in fact the process is only

changing the form of bile into the balls that you are

calling 'gallstones' while flushing. I don't like to see the

gallbladder/liver cleanse abused with this false terminology. If

people can reach a level of understanding about what it is they are

really doing then maybe they can reach a solution to their problems

faster. I want to tell people there is a difference between a colic

producing hard gallstone and the hundreds of soft round balls of bile

that is being flushed out by the flush process unnnessessarily if the

true problem is not being addressed. If they can understand the

different types or forms of bile then they can reach conclusions of

cure faster and with less pain.

I've done the flush, lived with strong colic attacks, and have had

surgery. I feel 'qualified' to discuss many topics in here. I know

why the flush may work and why it may not. I know what it can do and

what it can't. If the information I can offer in this group will help

someone and not others than so be it.

How is your gallbladder? Do you still have attacks? How many flushes

have you done? Let's talk D.

Barry.

> > Exactly,

> >

> > And one day you will decide if living with the pain is better

than

> > that spin. The lesser of two evils.

> >

> > You should really study the Internet for post-surgery information

> (if that is the opinion that you are considering) and don't just

rely

> on what you read in a gallbladder flush group. It may be biased

here

> one way or another. That may help you decide to spin or not.

> > All I can say is that the 'scare-tactics' that you read about in

> here is only a small minority that is obviously biased toward the

> flushing instead of realities that the flush doesn't always work

and

> that there really is life after surgery.

>

>

>

> I understood this list was supposed to be for those that wanted to

do

> everything they could first to save their gallbaldder without

medical

> means. From the intro of the list it sounds like it's for those of

us

> looking for natural treatments vs medical so maybe that is why it

is

> bias.

>

> There is nothing wrong with getting your gallbladder out but others

> should know that not everyone has a good experience with it.

> D

[Guest guest]

At 18:38 02.06.2002 -0400, you wrote:

> It just means that I don't have to live in fear of every

>morsel of food that goes in my mouth. For me, the freedom from that pain

>and worry was like having some awful burden lifted.

I agree 100% with Debra on this.

One thing is to choose to eat healthy, very different thing is to be forced

into it.

Just the fact that you are forced (by fear of pain) to choose what you are

eating can cause many other health troubles.

If you can be happy, that is the only way to be healthy.

If you are unhappy with your pain, and if you have tried alternatives and

it doesn't help, then surgery (suppose you are lucky enough so that it

doesn't cause some other problems ) is much better solution then suffering.

But, as surgery do carry a risk of some other (irreparable) problems, every

person will have to follow his/her gut feeling ...

The best is, if you can manage you problems with alternatives.

(there are also other alternatives, rarely discussed here ...)

If you can not, then you just have to choose what you think can be better ...

> It was sapping so much

>from my life, from my energy as a parent. I feel so much better, and am not

>under that stress and worry any more. It's nice to be able to stop for ice

>cream with my kids. That freedom feels wonderful. It doesn't mean that

>that is all I eat, but it is exciting to be able to do so. I know I am not

>the one you were responding to, but think many people who have had surgery

>feel similarly. It's been 18 months for me, this week. Still feeling

>great.

>

>I knows that my problems were caused from dieting most of my life. Right

>now, I have time to work about an hour of exercise into my day, at least

>five times a week, so I don't worry about " dieting. " I am probably

>healthier now than I have ever been, and both my doctor and chiropractor

>agree.

>

>Debra

You said it all !

Sometimes, surgery can promote vibrant health!

Agnes